For the record, while I've seen the maps going for up to 100k each, I don't know that the pages are selling for over 300k (now). They certainly did when they were first being listed, but given the current high price of the maps, and the relative low droprate for the leads from them, I'm frankly surprised that the current motif page prices don't really reflect either of those.

I wonder if ZOS is just checking the excavation bonus loot pool and finding the motif leads are there, so they don’t realize it isn’t actually being awarded. At least on PTS there was a bonus loot object that could autocomplete the dig but would not show up as a reward in the character’s inventory afterwards. I’d bet good money I don’t have that that’s the motif that is counting for 3/3 bonus items but is bugged so it never ends up in the inventory.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I think it's supposed to work that way. Don't the other ancestral styles also drop from treasure map chests?

Yeah this just seems like a bug in the description text, very low priority all things considered.

Faulgor wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I think it's supposed to work that way. Don't the other ancestral styles also drop from treasure map chests?

Yeah this just seems like a bug in the description text, very low priority all things considered.

Agreed. Zos usually keeps these kinds of things consistent regardless if it means something becomes annoying to farm or not.

I've done somewhere around 15 maps (lost count) in Western Skyrim, Markarth and in both Black reach maps.

1 page for maces.

How long is it supposed to reasonably take to complete one set of this motif?

25 years?

Where does one even get the maps from? I’ve been doing Harrowstorms for 6 hours straight and have yet to get any maps. Only ash, random treasure, and jewelry. Every blue moon I’ll get a furniture motif, but no maps.

I've started trying to collect these motif pages. I've had a drop rate of about 30% from the Arkthzand Cavern and The Reach treasure maps.
I was checking how far I'd got and I realized some of the motifs aren't actually even in the codex: chests, helmets, legs and shields. So how are we supposed to get these? I've seen the motifs in guild stores so the leads must exist.

Yeah, I only had about 8-10 WSkyrim/Reach/Blackreach maps, and from all of those I got a single Ancestral Reach lead. There seems to be something wrong with the drop rates on these...

Especially if they only come from treasure maps, and there are a total of 8 maps that could potentially drop the lead. There doesn't seem to be a way to favor getting map drops for a specific zone, so we're talking an 8 in 168 chance of getting a treasure map for the right zones, and then a 1 in 10 chance you'll actually get the lead.

B0SSzombie wrote: »

Even more unusual, I haven't seen a single ZOS response to anyone explaining the issue!

For those that don't know, the Ancestral Motif is supposed to be available via leads that you find as "Bonus Loot" during antiquity excavation in The Reach zone. Similar to how you find the Indeko Rune and Etched Bronze Material. It was mentioned when Markarth was being released, and is also indicated in the Zone Achievements for Markarth as well.

However, they are bugged, and instead, the leads only drop rarely from opening Treasure Map sourced Treasure Chests for Western Skyrim, The Reach, or any part of the Blackreach Caverns. I tested it myself, and with 18 Treasure Maps for those areas, obtained 3 motif leads.

This means that the Ancestral Reach motif is one of the, if not THE, rarest Motifs in the game, and scalpers that scoop up all the maps sell the motif pages for upwards of millions of gold a piece. On top of that, anyone trying to complete their Antiquity Codex are in for a nightmare, since just buying the motif itself won't fill those entries in. You need to find the leads personally.

I get that things are hectic, and there are bigger things that need addressing first, but at least acknowledge the issue so we're not all here hoping for a fix that never comes.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Actually they corrected the statement in the achievement. It now states the motif chapters drop from digging which is accurate. It no longer gives insights where you obtain the leads, which suggests the way you do, via treasure maps is intended. It would make sense too since all other ancestral motifs are obtained the same way.

I got a Reach treasure map from a reward box in the last event, the one before New Life, sorry I forget which one that was.

Lucky for me that one had a motif page. It’s the only one I got.

I don’t even get W Skyrim treasure maps anymore, do you get Reach pages from them? Even that drop rate is insanely low for me.

I haven’t finished the other Ancestral styles yet, though I do every treasure map I get I have not bought any.

I really hope they do something about this when they add the next set of ancestral motifs in the game. I've done so many maps, and only gotten one lead out of all of them. Yeah, I have bad RNG, but it shouldn't be this hard to get a motif.

If it were easier to get WSkyrim/Reach maps, I feel like the low RNG drop rate on the leads wouldn't be so bad - even if it matches the drop rate of the leads in the alliance zones, it's still obvious that there's a way higher chance to get an alliance zone map than it is to get a Reach map since you've basically got 6 maps per zone x 5 zones + 4 for the starters = 34 maps for the ancestral alliance zones (for each alliance) versus 6 total for all of the reach.

Even Harrowstorms aren't a good source of maps, as the 'Grey Host Satchel' may or may not even drop, and that's still got a chance for all maps in it...

There's a reason these maps are listed on traders for 60k+ while the other alliance maps are back down below 500.

I do notice the ancestral reach motif pages are coming down well in price, but I'd rather not buy this one - I kinda want to also get the codex entries, and I only get those from digging it up.