Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

Passive pet attacks and storm summon are direct, while the AoE active of the monkey and the storm atronach over time is a dot.

Minor correction here, if monkey you mean volatile familiar, the aoe active skill is not a dot as it is not affected by thaumaturge.

Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »

Yes, thaumaturge does not affect orb and familiar.

just checked it on my not yet all cp allocated low lvl magsorc, tooltip went up when i put more points in thaumaturge. so, it is affected by cp. so you are wrong.
the quick tests:
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659372216047370246/796762068018528256/unknown.png

preevious wrote: »

I just stumbled into some (old) posts that says the ancient knoweledge passive (from the destro staff, a juicy 8% damage to either single target or multi-target skills) does not apply when you don't have a destro staff skill actually equipped?

Is that true/still the case? If so, I realise I don't have destro skill on my frontbar .. that would be detrimental as well .

it is old news, they changed it pretty long ago, you dont need destruction skill slotted anymore (in the past the tooltip said "when destruction skill is slotted")

preevious wrote: »

@Oreyn_Bearclaw

Wow, thanks, that's very detailed.
zvavi mentionned daedric prey as well. I wasn't aware it was such a critical skill. But yes, it increases the damage of my pets, my ult and my monster set .. And the ult and pets are among the top damaging skill I have.
I'm gonna try casting it on cooldown, no matter when I'm in the rotation.

regarding the LA ratio, I'm working on it. I try to parse every day, and It's slowly improving.

For the gear, I'll try FG, as I only need to reconstruct 1 piece to have it (don't have staves, though, so, it'll be body, for now), and will farm siroria.
Right now, with a full LA build, I have sustain issues, even on parse food. But as svavi told me, if I have to regain some resources with a HA, I'll do it when the enmy is off balance.

I'm only starting dabling with dynamic rotations, but I can roughly do it.

Thanks !

@zvavi

Thanks for the extra info. It looks like that for CP, I should increase direct damage instead of dots.

@WrathOfInnos

Thanks for the discord adress. I'll definitively check it.
Also, frontbarrng siroria implies getting a staff. Since there's no chests in there, it'll be a long walk.

Regarding Sustain: False god will likely help if not outright fix your sustain issues. You will probably wear FG more often than Siroria in actual content TBH. If you don't have a staff, you may want to consider Mothers Sorrow on the front bar and make room for barbed trap (dont ignore minor force, you need it from somewhere). You should have the bar space. Most players I know breaking 100k DPS on a 2 pet sorc dont actually run Mystic Orb when parsing. They will slot it in trials for a lot of fights, but it makes sustain without heavy attacks on a dummy close to impossible as far as I can tell. It is also less efficient of a skill on a dummy than in actual content, because the dummy hit box isnt that big. You dont get the full duration because it goes out of range. Barbed trap also helps a bit with sustain as its a stamina skill.

The other thing about sustain is that its a bit counter intuitive, but the better you get at your rotation, the less you need to worry about it. Your magic drain per second will actually increase as you get faster, but you wont need to parse for nearly as long to kill the dummy. If you can sustain a target Dummy with parse food (even if you are about tapped at the end of the fight), you really shouldnt need to worry about sustain in actual content with a good group (especially with False God).

Regarding Bars: The best bar setup to my knowledge is as follows.

-Front Bar: Elemental Weapon, Crystal Frags, Twilight Tormenter, Volatile Familar, Daedric Prey, Meteor
-Back Bar: Unstable Wall, Barbed Trap, Twilight Tormenter, Volatile Familar, Boundless Storm, Strom Attro

This would be using Mother's sorrow over Medusa (Front Bar MS FIRE Staff is what you want until you get a trial staff). In actual content, I am a big fan of Medusa. It allows me to put orb in place of trap, and boundless becomes my flex for a shield if I need it. This also makes for a fairly easy dynamic rotation on the dummy. You need to go to your back bar every 10 seconds for Wall, but trap and boundless are much longer, so they are fairly easy to manage. Then on front bar, you are juggling daedric prey (every 6 skills), and Volatile Familiar. Casts frags as they proc, otherwise weave your spam, ele weapon (Force Pulse works just fine as well). You can simplify a bit by trying to cast Blockade and familiar back to back. If possible, cast familiar from the front bar for more frag procs, but back bar casting is not the end of the world.

Regarding Daedric Prey: Yes, it is very important. Most classes have a class defining skill that becomes the centerpiece of their rotations. NBs have Relentless Focus, Wardens of Sub Assault, Necros have blastbones, etc. Sorc is honestly one of the easier ones to manage. The only thing I will say. You are better off casting it one second late than one second early. It also has a damage component, which is effectively a time bomb. It boosts pets for the duration, but the explosion at the end is also important. If you recast early, it wont go off.