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WHAT. THE. HELL. Is Wrong With the NA ESO Servers?

  • LMFBA
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    Tandor wrote: »
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    Dedicated servers for pve and dungeon finder. Dedicated servers for pvp, cyro and battlegrounds queues. Throwing everything on one giant "megaserver" is lazy and a blatant effort to save money. ESO would be extremely popular if the game performance was good. The only thing stopping ESO from dominating the MMO market is the investors apprehension to upgrade the games servers, as ESO still earns money in it's current state. Grow a pair of balls ZOS and give us the servers to facilitate the large scale experience you have promised since launch. Its guaranteed the game will see growth if servers are improved.

    You sound as if you believe each megaserver consists of one server. It doesn't, the content is already split up between a whole mass of servers that are merely linked together to form a megaserver so that they can be expanded, contracted, and upgraded as necessary without having to merge databases including guilds and players' names etc.

    So why is the performance tonk?

    For many players and most of the content it isn't, but in respect of things like PvP and competitive PvE my understanding is that both ZOS and a lot of experienced players believe that software coding problems lie at the heart of the major performance issues, and that's why ZOS have been focused on reviewing and optimising skills and combat along with data management, memory allocation and server code optimisation etc. This has led to a lot of improvements for many players, the list in post #17 being a fair one, but clearly it is an ongoing project and ZOS have acknowledged that much remains to be done. There's no evidence, however, that simply buying more or better servers would be a miracle cure, and I'm sure they've been investing heavily in hardware as the population has grown and existing hardware has worn out - it's inconceivable that any MMO developer would be able to stick with the original hardware for six years without having a very considerable and constant investment program. The servers in any online game consist of multiple pieces of hardware all of which require frequent renewal given the load they run under, and switching hardware in and out will usually be part of any regular maintenance downtime.

    How come the perfomance was better in early days when the population was higher, thats right... HIGHER, not higher now! Ive been in a 300 people fight at a keep that lasted for hours with good performance, in Cyro today i was in a fight at a keep with less than 30 and RIP performance, no bar swap, no break free, no ability fire.
    If ZO$ themselves implemented the new content, new systems, new skills, basically anything new why the performance drop? I mean surely as new content comes in it makes sense to test and improve what needs to be improved to maintain a performance benchmark?

    In end game (pvp and trials) the performance is the worst its been in 6 years, i know i was there, overland content and RP really dont count.

    Everyone keeps saying 'there is much to be done' im like hang on ZO$ made the game, chose the servers, wrote the code, implemented the new content what exactly needs to be done? What that says to me is a total lack of testing and a total disregard for performance just to keep the crowns flowing.

    [snip]

    The problem from what i can see, (and im a simple man, as in i understand the simple nature of people and business) is, the people who originally created the game and code and vision no longer work for ZO$ so the job got passed and passed and passed until many people have had an input, when you are new to a job you wanna make a mark and they have done that with rushing out new content etc instead of thoroughly testing the impact of said content.
    This is why old bugs keep reappearing and the persistant problems persist, its the only logical explaination.

    [Edited to remove Conspiracy Theory]
    Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on January 3, 2021 3:52PM
  • iksde
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    CSose wrote: »
    The people claiming there are no issues are not PvP players and do not participate in vet trials. A 5 year old computer is perfectly fine to run eso. The vast majority of all performance issues are on ZOS's end and this is extremely well documented even with so many members and posts disappearing from this forum. ZOS has even admitted to the performance issues in most cases, so again, claiming there are none looks odd.

    yep, the best compare I had with my friend
    I play on computer which I got 7 years ago, my friend have quite new
    I play games like witcher 3 on minmum settings and my computer is doing fine, it almost have minimum reqs for cb77 while my friend computer can run witcher 3 on ultra, cb77 on high without single problems and yet he is getting literally same preformance fallofs in same places we are playing together, he is getting crashes similiar times like me and it doesnt matter for him if he is playing on lowest possible settings for ESO or highest
    he have so much better computer than me and yet he is having literally same problems with only ESO like me with so huge difference with our computers
  • LMFBA
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    idk wrote: »
    I have not been disconnected from the PC/NA server this week in dungeons or otherwise. I have not gone into Cyrodiil. I have not even experienced high ping. I have only seen one stutter of server lag.

    As such, it does not seem to be an issue with the ESO servers. It is more likely a switch or other connection between your PC and the servers in Texas.

    Come on dude, you are better than this! Your posts are normally on point.

    The main area of poor performance is pvp and hm trial content, everything else is faceroll, the reason this content struggles is also because its easily noticable as a small mistake is immediately punished so you are hyper aware and can feel performance aswell as see it. The content you talk about i could run semi afk so i wouldnt notice if i couldnt fire skills as i was actually stunned but the server didnt tell me until 1 second after then i cant break free or if bar swap ani cancel didnt fire!
    Edited by LMFBA on January 3, 2021 1:06AM
  • Sylvermynx
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    @LMFBA - I have not disconnected, crashed or otherwise had any issues over the last year. No, I do not pvp or do "endgame" of any sort, as I always state.

    The game runs just fine for me, doing the things that are my sort of fun - as it does for many others. It's obvious that those of you who do pvp and endgame are on the receiving end of a lot of issues. That sucks of course. But those of us who play in other directions aren't having many issues at all. And that's why I at least pay two subs, and buy crowns (many....) over the course of a year.

    As I said, I have no problems with this game, and I know many others likewise. I also know a couple of people highly invested in pvp who aren't happy but choose to deal with said issues as this is the game of choice for them (well.... one of them actually left for GW2, but does come back a few times a month).
  • WoodenHeart
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    One thing I found years ago is ESO has issues if your computer has more than one sound driver trying to run.

    So open your device manager and look at your sound drivers. If you have both the nvidia sound AND one for your motherboard or sound card, go ahead and disable or uninstall the nvidia one. The only reason to have the nvidia one is if you're using their software to stream or record video. I just choose not to install it at all when updating my nvidia graphics drivers, as it's not necessary and was causing my game to crash a lot.

    Maybe that will help.

    For the record, I've had maybe one crash in the last two years, and I'm on a 7-year-old system.
  • Razzledazzle_dar
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    Full disclosure, I couldn't read this past the first post.
    It looks to me like OP is complaining about problems with the server which has been going on across all servers for forever while trying to get a chance to brag about his rig in bold.
    AD PC/NA
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    Im not new here, i was here since 2016, zos just likes to ban ppl recently for criticising their communication and how they handle bugs so dont patronize me. Also I see that a lot of ppl have problems with the game after markarth. Glad that your mere two pc dont have the issue but you are not a center of the universe, saying that it must be problem on ppl side, not zos because your game works fine is stupid. Especially when even zos acknowledges that performance of their game is currently bad (so bad that they even said they will not add more systems because they want to focus on fixing the game but yeah, it is definietely a problem with players hardware).
    Isn't circumventing a ban, also a bannable offense? There is a reason the ban is still in place and not lifted yet. Obviously they didn't want your punishment to be over.

    From one of my post in this very thread:
    [I can tell by looking at the front page of this forum when something is server side because the front page of recent will explode with it. A few people, given the games population, is going to be on user side. I read this forums, steam forums, and the reddit for this game. That is 3 major public sources and both steam and reddit are easy to access and post on.
    I bolded the important parts for you.

    Also in this thread:
    Oh??? That's... weird...because i saw improvements. Let's see:

    1. About a 20% decrease in game file size
    2. Lighter updates
    3. Ping decrease from 110-130 to 75-95
    4. FPS increase 10-20 frames depending on zone.
    5. More frequent instant load screens when porting in zone.
    6. Noticeable time shaved off loading into zones from character screen/other zones/instances.
    7. Improved load times in housing.
    8. Steadier FPS in new zones including on my older PC which saw severe FPS drops( cut in half instantly or more)at times in several zones but doesn't see severe drops anymore.
    Do you think doing backend optimization is like putting fuel in an empty tank. You just fill it up and all the sudden its all good to go? It's not.

  • Anotherone773
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    CSose wrote: »
    This thread will be locked or deleted for ranting probably.
    If it wasn't an issue on your end their would be multiple mutipage threads on the issue. Despite your "it can't possibly be me" rant, it is...in fact going to be you. You just havent found the problem. However some common reasons for your problem:
    1) Firewall settings
    2) Anti-virus Settings
    3) VPN settings
    4) Port issues
    5) Other people or programs sucking your bandwidth causing timeouts
    6) ISP problems.

    It is not a server side issue though. So ranting at ZOS for a problem that is on your end is pointless and no one is going to want to help you with that attitude.

    It absolutely IS the ZOS servers. This is extremely well documented. Claiming otherwise is comical.

    Show me the documentation that the OPs current issue is the servers. OR are you assuming because ZOS said they were going to tidy up their servers( because you know they are constantly adding new code to it) in order to optimize performance that that means every single issue you ever have with the game is going to be their servers? Because your right that is comical to just assume without any evidence whatsoever that the servers are the issue every time you have a problem.

    CSose wrote: »
    The people claiming there are no issues are not PvP players and do not participate in vet trials. A 5 year old computer is perfectly fine to run eso. The vast majority of all performance issues are on ZOS's end and this is extremely well documented even with so many members and posts disappearing from this forum. ZOS has even admitted to the performance issues in most cases, so again, claiming there are none looks odd.

    It sounds like to me, that you do vet trials and you have performance issues in those. A computer's age is not as relevant as you think to game play. Hardware that is in it matters far more. A low end PC from 5 years ago will barely run this game on low settings. A higher end PC will start to struggle now in newer content and a really high end PC wont be able to do it as well now.

    If your going to play a game like this you have to keep up with hardware, reduce the load on software, or back off the taxing parts of the game.
  • Anotherone773
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    This thread will be locked or deleted for ranting probably.
    ...
    If it wasn't an issue on your end their would be multiple mutipage threads on the issue. Despite your "it can't possibly be me" rant, it is...in fact going to be you. You just havent found the problem. However some common reasons for your problem:
    1) Firewall settings -- NO
    2) Anti-virus Settings -- NO
    3) VPN settings -- NO. NEVER USED THIS SINCE ESO WAS CREATED. EVER.
    4) Port issues -- NO. NEVER MADE ANY CHANGES TO MY PORTS.
    5) Other people or programs sucking your bandwidth causing timeouts -- NO. THIS IS MY PERSONAL PC. NOBODY USES IT BUT ME. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROGRAMS RUNNING IN THE BACKGROUND. PERIOD.
    6) ISP problems. -- NO. YOU OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T BOTHER TO READ MY POST DID YOU? I'VE BEEN ABLE TO PLAY ESO UNTIL ABOUT A WEEK AGO. IT'S NOT MY ISP. MKAY? NOW PLEASE GO BE FACETIOUS & CONDESCENDING ELSEWHERE. YOU'VE PROVIDED ZERO HELP

    It is not a server side issue though. -- OH REALLY? ANOTHER ZoS APOLOGETIC FAN BOI. KINDLY FIND A BRIDGE TO LURK UNDER. #KTHXBYE

    So ranting at ZOS for a problem that is on your end is pointless and no one is going to want to help you with that attitude.

    GO AWAY.

    Well after rereading your name, seeing you shout all your answers, and reading this:
    It is not a server side issue though. -- OH REALLY? ANOTHER ZoS APOLOGETIC FAN BOI. KINDLY FIND A BRIDGE TO LURK UNDER. #KTHXBYE
    that you would be incapable of troubleshooting the problem you are having. Maybe you should ask one of your parents to help you figure out the problem.

  • Anotherone773
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    LMFBA wrote: »
    idk wrote: »
    I have not been disconnected from the PC/NA server this week in dungeons or otherwise. I have not gone into Cyrodiil. I have not even experienced high ping. I have only seen one stutter of server lag.

    As such, it does not seem to be an issue with the ESO servers. It is more likely a switch or other connection between your PC and the servers in Texas.

    Come on dude, you are better than this! Your posts are normally on point.

    The main area of poor performance is pvp and hm trial content, everything else is faceroll, the reason this content struggles is also because its easily noticable as a small mistake is immediately punished so you are hyper aware and can feel performance aswell as see it. The content you talk about i could run semi afk so i wouldnt notice if i couldnt fire skills as i was actually stunned but the server didnt tell me until 1 second after then i cant break free or if bar swap ani cancel didnt fire!

    This sounds like a " UGGHHH the servers made me die again in PVP" thing that is super common with pvpers in literally every single game. PVP cant be timed down to ms. They may land a killing blow on one tick and it show up on the same take you hit that Pot/ or shield on. On your screen your actions will always show up instantly whereas actions performed by others will be slightly delayed. When you are trying to critical moment combat, this sometimes kills you even though you think you should have survived. You were dead before you even tried to counter it. If you are not aware of this when you get caught at a critical moment like this, it appears you died because of server lag. You died because you didnt react on the tick before for whatever reason and they did. You just didn't see it yet because that info didn't reach you yet.
  • DarcyMardin
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    Agreeing with the OP. I get disconnected multiple times per day. My computer is fine, so is my internet connection. Something is wrong with the game or the servers. I’ve been playing this game since beta, and I’ve never had so many persistent disconnects.
  • LMFBA
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    LMFBA wrote: »
    idk wrote: »
    I have not been disconnected from the PC/NA server this week in dungeons or otherwise. I have not gone into Cyrodiil. I have not even experienced high ping. I have only seen one stutter of server lag.

    As such, it does not seem to be an issue with the ESO servers. It is more likely a switch or other connection between your PC and the servers in Texas.

    Come on dude, you are better than this! Your posts are normally on point.

    The main area of poor performance is pvp and hm trial content, everything else is faceroll, the reason this content struggles is also because its easily noticable as a small mistake is immediately punished so you are hyper aware and can feel performance aswell as see it. The content you talk about i could run semi afk so i wouldnt notice if i couldnt fire skills as i was actually stunned but the server didnt tell me until 1 second after then i cant break free or if bar swap ani cancel didnt fire!

    This sounds like a " UGGHHH the servers made me die again in PVP" thing that is super common with pvpers in literally every single game. PVP cant be timed down to ms. They may land a killing blow on one tick and it show up on the same take you hit that Pot/ or shield on. On your screen your actions will always show up instantly whereas actions performed by others will be slightly delayed. When you are trying to critical moment combat, this sometimes kills you even though you think you should have survived. You were dead before you even tried to counter it. If you are not aware of this when you get caught at a critical moment like this, it appears you died because of server lag. You died because you didnt react on the tick before for whatever reason and they did. You just didn't see it yet because that info didn't reach you yet.

    They could be the case but there are literally hundreds of videos showing warping back and forth, pressing skills multiple times (you can see the icon lighting but nothing happening) characters running around unable to do anything then suddenly 'stun'.
    This sounds like a 'its not me its you' kind of defence...like, all of us are imagining this bad performance?
    I dont care if i die in pvp im not a try hard epeen massager, im good i just dont have the toxic attitude except.... when the game kills me when i have a full stam bar but no break free for me! and yes, i know the difference! im not a mong.

    I get it, the content you guys who defend this game play is fine and the content you find fun is fine so you dont see this kind of problem but for ALL cyrodiil its a problem and imagine, if you can, the hm trial progression group that has spent hours practicing and are into a no death and all of a sudden group wipe from performance or bug.
    The people who complain and demand better performance are not casual people they do not have a casual mind set thats all it is, i just want better.
  • barney2525
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    Since New Life Festival started, I have been playing several hours per day, and I have not had any issues. My FPS is generally at or near 100 and I have not had any crashes.

    I don't do dungeons or PvP, so I don't know about those specific situations.

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  • Tandor
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    As I indicated earlier, I quite get that while those not doing competitive content have no performance issues, those who do that content, and especially Cyrodiil and Trials, do have significant problems. Two things would, in my view, help performance discussions - first, if those complaining about such problems make it clear that they are talking about e.g. Cyrodiil rather than making generalised claims that "the game is broken" when clearly it isn't in any general sense, and second, if they didn't dismiss those who don't do competitive content as casuals who don't play the game or need to use any skills but just e.g. pick flowers and buy crowns.

    It's as important for those who don't have performance issues to explain that as it is for those with performance issues to report them, so that ZOS can get the full picture as to what the problems are and where they're occurring. Generalised complaints don't really tell them anything.
  • Scardan
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    This thread will be locked or deleted for ranting probably.
    If it wasn't an issue on your end their would be multiple mutipage threads on the issue.

    I suffer from disconnects every time I play and I do not create threads about this because I do not care much about the issue. Therefore lack of hundreds threads does not convince me that it is not server issues. Also, I have seen multiple posts about disconnects here and on reddit.

    Yesterday, I was in Elsweyr for three hours and had no disconnects at all, normally I am thrown out of server two - three times in a hour, interesting.

    By the way, your statement that you can find out something there by looking at the first page of the forum cannot be measured, so this is not objective and I do not understand why you argued with this, highlighting it in bold. Subjectivity is not evidence, it cannot be measured, it cannot be confirmed.

    On the other hand, I believe that you may be right too - the author of the topic may well have some kind of problems with his computer that he is not aware of.
    Edited by Scardan on January 3, 2021 12:10PM
    Let's be extremely precise in our use of terms.
  • iksde
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    ahh yes and I forgot to add....I experience disconects every time Im in trial, very often in dungs if I stay a bit for longer in them and ofc in pvp when I played it

    but when I just run overland world....no a single disconect! when I run in any zone i any place or for quests or for treasure map, no single disconect in compare for group content when I have nonstop disconects! and TBJ Im not the only person in all groups who is getting these crashes
  • Aurielle
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    Tandor wrote: »
    Two things would, in my view, help performance discussions - first, if those complaining about such problems make it clear that they are talking about e.g. Cyrodiil rather than making generalised claims that "the game is broken" when clearly it isn't in any general sense, and second, if they didn't dismiss those who don't do competitive content as casuals who don't play the game or need to use any skills but just e.g. pick flowers and buy crowns.

    You forgot the third thing: it would be helpful if people who play undemanding content (and therefore experience no/minimal performance issues) wouldn’t waltz into threads and loudly proclaim “it must be your high-end gaming rig that’s the problem, because I have no problems whatsoever and ZOS is not to blame.”
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    LMFBA wrote: »
    LMFBA wrote: »
    idk wrote: »
    I have not been disconnected from the PC/NA server this week in dungeons or otherwise. I have not gone into Cyrodiil. I have not even experienced high ping. I have only seen one stutter of server lag.

    As such, it does not seem to be an issue with the ESO servers. It is more likely a switch or other connection between your PC and the servers in Texas.

    Come on dude, you are better than this! Your posts are normally on point.

    The main area of poor performance is pvp and hm trial content, everything else is faceroll, the reason this content struggles is also because its easily noticable as a small mistake is immediately punished so you are hyper aware and can feel performance aswell as see it. The content you talk about i could run semi afk so i wouldnt notice if i couldnt fire skills as i was actually stunned but the server didnt tell me until 1 second after then i cant break free or if bar swap ani cancel didnt fire!

    This sounds like a " UGGHHH the servers made me die again in PVP" thing that is super common with pvpers in literally every single game. PVP cant be timed down to ms. They may land a killing blow on one tick and it show up on the same take you hit that Pot/ or shield on. On your screen your actions will always show up instantly whereas actions performed by others will be slightly delayed. When you are trying to critical moment combat, this sometimes kills you even though you think you should have survived. You were dead before you even tried to counter it. If you are not aware of this when you get caught at a critical moment like this, it appears you died because of server lag. You died because you didnt react on the tick before for whatever reason and they did. You just didn't see it yet because that info didn't reach you yet.

    They could be the case but there are literally hundreds of videos showing warping back and forth, pressing skills multiple times (you can see the icon lighting but nothing happening) characters running around unable to do anything then suddenly 'stun'.

    Nowadays people don't believe in video evidence. :#
  • novemberhhh
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    lul still got the same old whiteknighters "tHiS gAmE hAs No fLaWs" despite a literal year of performance patches only making it worse than its ever been. good thing most us competent players left years ago for actual functioning games when it became clear zos had 0 interest in actually maintaining this as anything more than a clown store for the reskinned pony collectors
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  • Tandor
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    Aurielle wrote: »
    Tandor wrote: »
    Two things would, in my view, help performance discussions - first, if those complaining about such problems make it clear that they are talking about e.g. Cyrodiil rather than making generalised claims that "the game is broken" when clearly it isn't in any general sense, and second, if they didn't dismiss those who don't do competitive content as casuals who don't play the game or need to use any skills but just e.g. pick flowers and buy crowns.

    You forgot the third thing: it would be helpful if people who play undemanding content (and therefore experience no/minimal performance issues) wouldn’t waltz into threads and loudly proclaim “it must be your high-end gaming rig that’s the problem, because I have no problems whatsoever and ZOS is not to blame.”

    I didn't forget that at all, it's precisely why I made my first point about OPs spelling out the details of their problem, e;g. when it relates to Cyrodiil. In the case of this thread the OP referred to mass disconnections without specifying the content, rather than the more usual lag and crashes in Cyrodiil so it was reasonable for people to assume this was not the usual situation being complained of.
  • Vevvev
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    The performance of this game has been the worst it has ever been and I have been playing since beta. To potential commenters: If you are just roleplaying, questing, or lollygagging in overland content do not defend performance because that crap doesn't need good servers anyway

    I actually did have an RP event cancelled due to poor server performance one time. More than half the people couldn't even log in lol. But yes, despite that example you're correct. Doesn't need good servers to roleplay, just a slightly working chat box.
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  • Silaf
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    Want to try the EU one? :s
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    People doing the least taxing content in ESO while defending its performance publicly not knowing about the other side is kinda funny to me.
  • ZOS_ConnorG
    Greetings all,

    After review we have had to edit or remove several posts for rule violations, mostly Bashing and Conspiracy Theories. Ensure when engaging in a discussion that you keep said discussion civil, constructive, within the rules, and do not spread false information.

    You are welcome to review the Community Rules here.
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  • scorpius2k1
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    Miszou wrote: »
    50 MBPS cable connection.... :|

    Here's mine and I don't have any issues whatsoever. Just sayin'.... B)

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    Here is my connection for context (1Gb/35Mb). I run wired as well with my gaming rig. Very reliable with everything else online, but I have many of the same issues OP states with this game for years now.
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    ESO (and pretty much every online game) does not require hefty bandwidth at all to use. ISP's falsely use high bandwidth speeds as a selling point to gaming crowds (source: common sense, and I worked for one). Keep in mind, behind the scenes there is only basic data being transferred client<=>server for what the player is doing (input/output, positioning, etc). To be technical, less than 1Mbps (or ~100-200Kbps) is actually required to transfer the data needed to keep a reliable connection in ESO. Another way to look at it is ESO takes approx. 80MB of data per hour if you were looking at total usage. Feel free to confirm these things using your system task manager/bandwidth monitor.

    While client connection issues can and definitely do compound things, at the end of the day the servers/software are no question the main culprit. This should be quite apparent by the endless posts everywhere online with problems players have with this game en-masse. It's good that you aren't having issues, I hope it will stay that way. You are definitely lucky, especially if you are doing group and end-game content. The key point here is QUALITY, not QUANTITY, which with ESO is seemingly the opposite approach and recurring theme of logic used, unfortunately. B)

    Edited by scorpius2k1 on January 3, 2021 4:14PM
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  • zvavi
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    small reminding that eu servers always reported more problems than NA
    This thread will be locked or deleted for ranting probably.
    If it wasn't an issue on your end their would be multiple mutipage threads on the issue. Despite your "it can't possibly be me" rant, it is...in fact going to be you. You just havent found the problem. However some common reasons for your problem:
    1) Firewall settings
    2) Anti-virus Settings
    3) VPN settings
    4) Port issues
    5) Other people or programs sucking your bandwidth causing timeouts
    6) ISP problems.

    It is not a server side issue though. So ranting at ZOS for a problem that is on your end is pointless and no one is going to want to help you with that attitude.

    ye, say that to the ps/xbox crowd where half those things are not existing. point is. if eso is the only, only online game which has such a *** performance (in high end), it is on their end to figure out how to make firewall, anti virus, vpn, port, isp problems, not make issues. they are not making issues in other games, but suddenly in eso they do. so eso should change. we dont need to fiddle with all our settings to play 1 game. and even if we do, zos should at least provide those settings and solutions, we should not be researching and trying to troubleshoot it by ourselves.
    Edited by zvavi on January 3, 2021 4:27PM
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