Regarding the removal of Indrik Feathers from the Impressario

Recette · January 2021

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Since this post is quite lengthy, here's a quick TL;DR for everyone who wishes to know right away what the core issue here is: A lot of us have collected Indrik berries over feathers since we thought the feathers would always be available, so we need a grace period of a couple more events to finish our collections.

Greetings friends,

with the Crimson Indrik being the last one to be released for now, I was wondering wheter or not the feathers would still be available. When the Indriks were first announced and released over two years ago,I , and from what I can tell many others as well, were under the impression that while the berries would be limited releases tied to their specific seasons, the feathers would always be available. So quite a few of us Indrik lovers focused on collecting the berries first, knowing that we could always pick up feathers later.

So as soon as I saw the announcement that the Crimson Indrik would be the last of them for now I started researching to find out wheter or not that would still be the case. While information on the forums was scarce, and the news announcing the event did not really make it clear either, I did eventually manage to track down a post by the official ESO Twitter account stating that the feathers would also not be available anymore after this event. The post can be found here: https://twitter.com/TESOnline/status/1338869332831580167

Now this came as a surprise to me and many others as can be seen in that Twitter thread. Judging from peoples comments, there's many others like me who have built a nice berry collection but now lack the feathers to complete the Indriks they are still missing.

Let's do a little bit of math here for a moment by using my own situation as an example:

I have just finished my fourth Indrik today. I have all the berries for the other four evolutions collected, and I would also like to have the Nascent Indrik as well to complete the Indrik herd. Now I will need 200 more event tickets to complete what I have already collected. Even if you were to claim that completing the Nascent Indrik a fifth time is not strictly neccessary to make use of the berries I have already collected, that would still leave me with 160 event tickets worth of berries that I will not be able to use if I do not collect the feathers during the remainder of the event.

Now event tickets are a real commidity inside of the game, with a tangible monetary value. With one ticket costing 250 crowns, a single feather costing 10 tickets aka 2500 crowns, and a single Nascent Indrik needing four feathers to complete that amounts to 10.000 crowns per Indrik. The value of the berries is equivalanet to that, so sompleteing and Indrik evolution is also equal in value to 10.000 crowns.

Now what does that mean for my collection in particular. It means I will need 50.000 crowns worth of event tickets to complete my collection, or in the worst case scenario, 40.000 crowns worth of goods in the form of the 16 Indrik berries I already have in my collection will go to waste with no way for me to make any use of them for the foreseeable future.

With the biggest crown package of 21.000 crowns costing 125 Euros, that would mean I either spend roughly around 300 Euros worth of crowns, or lose almost 250 Euros in value. Had I decided to keep my Nascent Indrik instead of completing my fourth evolution, it would have been even and I would have lost 300 Euros instead. I am aware that there is a hefty christmas sale going on right now, but even with the sale what needs to be spent would still be a lot of money, close to 200 Euros in my case, and many of us have purchased crowns when they were not on sale, so to determine the value of our collections I think it is fair to use the baseline value of the crowns, not the value they have during a sale.

I am not averse to spending money to support the game, on the contrary. I have supported the game since I started playing in december of 2017.

My point here is simply that while I am using myself as an example here, a lot of us Indrik lovers are in the same boat. We have been dilligently collecting berries and feathers as much as we could over a two year period, and many of us now have assets worth hundreds of Euros sitting around that we won't be able to use unless we spend hundreds of Euros more on the game right now. That is just too much as a one time cosmetic purchase in the game for many of us.

Therefore the solution I suggest is this: Please make the Indrik feathers available for a couple more events, a grace period if you will, so those of us who have focused on collecting berries over feathers can complete their collections. While that surely would be preferable for many of us, I can understand that from a game design standpoint it might make sense to not keep them in the game indefinitely, so I'm not asking for that, but a couple of months so we can catch up on feathers and ease the load of what we might have to spend in the cash shop would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you everyone for your time and patience reading this, feedback is of course greatly appreciated. I would also be grateful if you could spread the word so this may reach the developers ears in hopes that all of us who love and adore these magnificent beasts might be able to finish our collections after all.

idk · January 2021

Recette wrote: »

Since this post is quite lengthy, here's a quick TL;DR for everyone who wishes to know right away what the core issue here is: A lot of us have collected Indrik berries over feathers since we thought the feathers would always be available, so we need a grace period of a couple more events to finish our collections.

Since these have been offered over a period of about two years and you only need a couple more events to finish your collection, why is it not finished already? It seems to be more than focusing on berries instead of feathers.

Recette · January 2021

idk wrote: »

Recette wrote: »

Since this post is quite lengthy, here's a quick TL;DR for everyone who wishes to know right away what the core issue here is: A lot of us have collected Indrik berries over feathers since we thought the feathers would always be available, so we need a grace period of a couple more events to finish our collections.

Since these have been offered over a period of about two years and you only need a couple more events to finish your collection, why is it not finished already? It seems to be more than focusing on berries instead of feathers.

It's simple really, not everyone could get every ticket during all of the events. If you wanted to get all the Indrik mounts and pets, ticket supply was incredibly tight, even if you didn't miss a single ticket, and doing so was not always possible for me. As I have explained at length here, the impression we were under is that feathers, unlike berries, would be offered without a time limit in place, so when I had to choose between the two, I always got the berries first. The announcement that feathers would also be discontinued came way too late and many players who have focused on collecting the berries instead were surprised just like I was, as can be seen on the Twitter thread.

In fact when ticket supply was a bit tight for me, I even spent crowns on completing the berry collections first, always prioritizing them since they seemed like the only limited commodity here.

idk · January 2021

You may be correct. However, when I was focused on getting everything for the indrik I never had a problem getting enough tickets. It seemed there was a far greater supply of tickets than what was needed for berries and feathers. Granted, I can understand that some players would not be available to participate in all events due to real-life issues, but that is life.

As a founder who subscribed the entire first year of the game, I have a mount that most in the game has never had the opportunity to get, and probably never will. I think having special things such as unique mounts for players that participated during certain periods of the game is a great idea. As such I do not think Zos should offer the feathers or berries again.

However, you might be in luck. While Zos has not said that they currently do not have any plans to bring back the berries, there is a chance they will in the future. That was an official statement on the subject. So, it is not going to happen soon, but it is a good idea to pay attention to developments over the next few years, maybe sooner.

Good luck.

Taleof2Cities · January 2021

Recette wrote: »

It's simple really, not everyone could get every ticket during all of the events. If you wanted to get all the Indrik mounts and pets, ticket supply was incredibly tight, even if you didn't miss a single ticket, and doing so was not always possible for me.

That's not actually true, @Recette.

Ticket supply was very generous throughout the events for players that were focused on getting the Indrik mounts.

I missed the entire New Life Event at the end of 2019 ... but still logged in the last day and had enough tickets for the last Pure Snow berry.

If you had "real life" events get in the way, that's definitely a good excuse for your current situation.

If you spent tickets on other items sold at the Impresario, pets, or voluntarily skipped events ... well that will explain your current situation.

Either way, Indriks will likely be back in another form some day down the road. Not sure when though.

zvavi · January 2021

While I disagree with feathers being unavailable later being a surprise, I do think they should keep them in the event merchant, just for the good will, it makes wonders to games when they do stuff of good will.

idk · January 2021

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Recette wrote: »

It's simple really, not everyone could get every ticket during all of the events. If you wanted to get all the Indrik mounts and pets, ticket supply was incredibly tight, even if you didn't miss a single ticket, and doing so was not always possible for me.

That's not actually true, @Recette.

Ticket supply was very generous throughout the events for players that were focused on getting the Indrik mounts.

I missed the entire New Life Event at the end of 2019 ... but still logged in the last day and had enough tickets for the last Pure Snow berry.

If you had "real life" events get in the way, that's definitely a good excuse for your current situation.

If you spent tickets on other items sold at the Impresario, or voluntarily skipped events ... well that will explain your current situation.

Either way, Indriks will likely be back in another form some day down the road. Not sure when though.

Thank you for confirming that the ticket supply was more than enough as I recalled. I ceased trying to get tickets when I did not want to do the activity as I prefer to play the game my way. But that is a choice and as such, I do not deserve to have all the feathers and berries.

Recette · January 2021

While I understand your reasoning, there is a significant difference between the situation you described with the first year mount, and what I have described here.

You got a limited mount for participating in the game during a certain period, the same is true with the monkey pet beta players got. That is completely fine. All the cards were on the table here and you know what you got into.

My issue here is that we were led to believe that the feathers would always be available, while the berries would not, leading to us allocating our resources in a certain way, which includes crowns purchased for real money. This has led to a situation where it might happen that players have literally spent money on the game without being able to use what they have paid for, unless they spend a sizeable amount again right now. This is where I see the issue, and why I am asking for that grace period to catch up on feathers.

I have read them saying that they might bring it back as well, but there is no guaratuee, and that to me is too unreliable to bet on it. While there is hope, I am unsure if that hope will come true eventually.

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Recette wrote: »

It's simple really, not everyone could get every ticket during all of the events. If you wanted to get all the Indrik mounts and pets, ticket supply was incredibly tight, even if you didn't miss a single ticket, and doing so was not always possible for me.

That's not actually true, @Recette.

Ticket supply was very generous throughout the events for players that were focused on getting the Indrik mounts.

I missed the entire New Life Event at the end of 2019 ... but still logged in the last day and had enough tickets for the last Pure Snow berry.

If you had "real life" events get in the way, that's definitely a good excuse for your current situation.

If you spent tickets on other items sold at the Impresario, pets, or voluntarily skipped events ... well that will explain your current situation.

Either way, Indriks will likely be back in another form some day down the road. Not sure when though.

You actually answered your own comment, and I did mention it in the one you quoted. I did get all of the Indrik pets as well, same as with the berries, since it was clear that those would be in limited supply. The pets were also 10 tickets each, which adds up to 80 over the two year period, meaning tickets that are worth 8 feathers or two Nascent Indriks. If you factor in those it was significantly harder to pick up enough feathers throughout the events.

And yes real life being a factor did contribute to me not picking up every single ticket. That is why I did need to prioritize berries and pets over feathers, since these were supposed to be the limited commodity.

jaws343 · January 2021

idk wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Recette wrote: »

It's simple really, not everyone could get every ticket during all of the events. If you wanted to get all the Indrik mounts and pets, ticket supply was incredibly tight, even if you didn't miss a single ticket, and doing so was not always possible for me.

That's not actually true, @Recette.

Ticket supply was very generous throughout the events for players that were focused on getting the Indrik mounts.

I missed the entire New Life Event at the end of 2019 ... but still logged in the last day and had enough tickets for the last Pure Snow berry.

If you had "real life" events get in the way, that's definitely a good excuse for your current situation.

If you spent tickets on other items sold at the Impresario, or voluntarily skipped events ... well that will explain your current situation.

Either way, Indriks will likely be back in another form some day down the road. Not sure when though.

Thank you for confirming that the ticket supply was more than enough as I recalled. I ceased trying to get tickets when I did not want to do the activity as I prefer to play the game my way. But that is a choice and as such, I do not deserve to have all the feathers and berries.

Yeah, ticket supply has been more than adequate. I literally stopped participating im the current even after 4 days because I got all of the indriks possible, including the base, and dropped/bought all the style pages for this event. There have been more than enough tickets to keep up with every indrik every quarter since this started. And I have missed many days of events due to real life travel for holidays and such, as well as tickets at the end of events to cap off the 12 going into the next event.

Players complaining about poor planning on their part has been a constant with the ticket system since it was implemented.

kargen27 · January 2021

Maybe six months or so they can let Faustina Curio sell them for a ridiculously high amount of vouchers?

cyclonus11 · January 2021

The reason:

I just spent $180 on crowns to buy event tickets to catch up and complete my outstanding indriks. That's why.

Sylvermynx · January 2021

@Recette , what server/platform are you on? If PC, either NA or EU, I will gift you tickets for one indrik. And please, do your best to ignore the obnoxious.

Starlock · January 2021

The folks making decisions for this game have demonstrated many times they are not averse to exploiting customers with FOMO-cultivating tactics. What they've decided to do with this is not pro-customer - monetizing events at all was not a pro-customer move - but it is what it is. Their decision to monetize events was no doubt a huge factor in the increased number of account bound and non-tradable fragments and it's a damn shame that you can't just trade other players for the feathers you are missing. The only advice I have is to let it go at this point and don't let yourself be played.

Nomadic_Atmoran · January 2021

idk wrote: »

Recette wrote: »

Since this post is quite lengthy, here's a quick TL;DR for everyone who wishes to know right away what the core issue here is: A lot of us have collected Indrik berries over feathers since we thought the feathers would always be available, so we need a grace period of a couple more events to finish our collections.

Since these have been offered over a period of about two years and you only need a couple more events to finish your collection, why is it not finished already? It seems to be more than focusing on berries instead of feathers.

Does it matter? Even if someone focused on other rewards from the events they still should be allowed the means to get the feathers they need to finish the indriks they have collected the berries for.

zvavi · January 2021

Starlock wrote: »

The only advice I have is to let it go at this point and don't let yourself be played.

this. also try to send a support ticket to change some of your berries to feathers.

tmbrinks · January 2021

I've spent $0 of real-life money (and no in-game gold to buy event tickets from crown store sellers) and I've gotten everything that has been offered at the Impressario over the last two years. Things that could be bought with in-game gold, I did (except when I had extra tickets, then I may have used those for those items)

I had enough that I was done with this event on day 3 (enough to buy the final berry and pet), coming into the event with 12 tickets.

I had multiple events where I just stopped doing things for tickets since I had everything and was at 12/12 in my inventory.

I had multiple cases where real life situations got in the way and I missed getting tickets, family emergencies, lost power, inopportune working hours, maintenance of game, etc...

There have literally been HUNDREDS of event tickets in excess to what you needed to complete, and they gave significant warning that they were going to be winding down and stopping the Indriks.

To come and have this complaint when there are only 3 days left in the event is pretty short-sighted, in my opinion, since the information was out there months ago.

Also, it's okay to not have everything. It's a good lesson to learn for real life as well. Prioritize what is important to you.

TheImperfect · January 2021

I was given incorrect information by 2 players about how the indrik system works. I should have checked but trusted 2 people were correct so I didn't try too hard to get the feathers because I thought you could only have one kind of indrik at a time and had to choose which berries you liked best. I thought if you wanted to change it you needed new feathers but didn't get to keep the type you already collected. I decided on the one that I thought nicest at the time and then spent my tickets on other stuff. I do have enough other mounts for my characters and I managed to get 2 indrik when I realised my mistake but I have quite a few berry sets collected but no feathers.

tmbrinks · January 2021

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Recette wrote: »

Since this post is quite lengthy, here's a quick TL;DR for everyone who wishes to know right away what the core issue here is: A lot of us have collected Indrik berries over feathers since we thought the feathers would always be available, so we need a grace period of a couple more events to finish our collections.

Since these have been offered over a period of about two years and you only need a couple more events to finish your collection, why is it not finished already? It seems to be more than focusing on berries instead of feathers.

Does it matter? Even if someone focused on other rewards from the events they still should be allowed the means to get the feathers they need to finish the indriks they have collected the berries for.

That's what the New Life event has been for the last two years. The opportunity to "catch up" on things you may have missed.

Let's say they keep feathers, then all you're going to get is a variation on this post in 6 months... "I cant get all the old feathers I need, the new (whatever the next mechanism is) AND the special rewards, you need to extend/increase/etc..."

Let things end. It's healthy to let go, and have things be finished. If you're a completionist, you would have done your absolute best to actually complete it when appropriate. There were an abundance of ticket opportunities offered, way more than you needed. And, as an absolute last resort, you could buy crowns to get the tickets (or use ESO plus subsciptiin crowns) or buy them from a crown seller. The options were there.

Nomadic_Atmoran · January 2021

tmbrinks wrote: »

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Recette wrote: »

Since this post is quite lengthy, here's a quick TL;DR for everyone who wishes to know right away what the core issue here is: A lot of us have collected Indrik berries over feathers since we thought the feathers would always be available, so we need a grace period of a couple more events to finish our collections.

Since these have been offered over a period of about two years and you only need a couple more events to finish your collection, why is it not finished already? It seems to be more than focusing on berries instead of feathers.

Does it matter? Even if someone focused on other rewards from the events they still should be allowed the means to get the feathers they need to finish the indriks they have collected the berries for.

That's what the New Life event has been for the last two years. The opportunity to "catch up" on things you may have missed.

Let's say they keep feathers, then all you're going to get is a variation on this post in 6 months... "I cant get all the old feathers I need, the new (whatever the next mechanism is) AND the special rewards, you need to extend/increase/etc..."

Let things end. It's healthy to let go, and have things be finished. If you're a completionist, you would have done your absolute best to actually complete it when appropriate. There were an abundance of ticket opportunities offered, way more than you needed. And, as an absolute last resort, you could buy crowns to get the tickets (or use ESO plus subsciptiin crowns) or buy them from a crown seller. The options were there.

There is literally no acceptable argument for not leaving the feathers in for a short period of time so players that might be behind on gathering feathers can complete their collections. The only reason you could possibly argue against this is because its a "I got mine, screw you" mentality. Leaving feathers in the Impersario for a period of time harms no one. [snip]

[Edited to remove Baiting]

tmbrinks · January 2021

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Recette wrote: »

Since this post is quite lengthy, here's a quick TL;DR for everyone who wishes to know right away what the core issue here is: A lot of us have collected Indrik berries over feathers since we thought the feathers would always be available, so we need a grace period of a couple more events to finish our collections.

Since these have been offered over a period of about two years and you only need a couple more events to finish your collection, why is it not finished already? It seems to be more than focusing on berries instead of feathers.

Does it matter? Even if someone focused on other rewards from the events they still should be allowed the means to get the feathers they need to finish the indriks they have collected the berries for.

That's what the New Life event has been for the last two years. The opportunity to "catch up" on things you may have missed.

Let's say they keep feathers, then all you're going to get is a variation on this post in 6 months... "I cant get all the old feathers I need, the new (whatever the next mechanism is) AND the special rewards, you need to extend/increase/etc..."

Let things end. It's healthy to let go, and have things be finished. If you're a completionist, you would have done your absolute best to actually complete it when appropriate. There were an abundance of ticket opportunities offered, way more than you needed. And, as an absolute last resort, you could buy crowns to get the tickets (or use ESO plus subsciptiin crowns) or buy them from a crown seller. The options were there.

There is literally no acceptable argument for not leaving the feathers in for a short period of time so players that might be behind on gathering feathers can complete their collections. The only reason you could possibly argue against this is because its a "I got mine, screw you" mentality. Leaving feathers in the Impersario for a period of time harms no one. [snip]

Thanks for assuming that I dont give a %$*# about other people... there is no way to have any sort of reasonable debate with somebody who makes that assumption about you right off the bat. So, I wont.

Starlock · January 2021

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

There is literally no acceptable argument for not leaving the feathers in for a short period of time so players that might be behind on gathering feathers can complete their collections. The only reason you could possibly argue against this is because its a "I got mine, screw you" mentality. Leaving feathers in the Impersario for a period of time harms no one. [snip]

It's sometimes less of a "I got mine, screw you" mentality than a "I play this game religiously." Such folks are not in a position to see the problem because they have a fundamentally different experience playing the game because of how many hundreds (if not thousands) of hours they put in.

kargen27 · January 2021

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Recette wrote: »

Since this post is quite lengthy, here's a quick TL;DR for everyone who wishes to know right away what the core issue here is: A lot of us have collected Indrik berries over feathers since we thought the feathers would always be available, so we need a grace period of a couple more events to finish our collections.

Since these have been offered over a period of about two years and you only need a couple more events to finish your collection, why is it not finished already? It seems to be more than focusing on berries instead of feathers.

Does it matter? Even if someone focused on other rewards from the events they still should be allowed the means to get the feathers they need to finish the indriks they have collected the berries for.

That's what the New Life event has been for the last two years. The opportunity to "catch up" on things you may have missed.

Let's say they keep feathers, then all you're going to get is a variation on this post in 6 months... "I cant get all the old feathers I need, the new (whatever the next mechanism is) AND the special rewards, you need to extend/increase/etc..."

Let things end. It's healthy to let go, and have things be finished. If you're a completionist, you would have done your absolute best to actually complete it when appropriate. There were an abundance of ticket opportunities offered, way more than you needed. And, as an absolute last resort, you could buy crowns to get the tickets (or use ESO plus subsciptiin crowns) or buy them from a crown seller. The options were there.

There is literally no acceptable argument for not leaving the feathers in for a short period of time so players that might be behind on gathering feathers can complete their collections. The only reason you could possibly argue against this is because its a "I got mine, screw you" mentality. Leaving feathers in the Impersario for a period of time harms no one. [snip]

There may be an argument. We do not know what ZoS has planned for the next event. Will they have tickets or some new thing? If they do have tickets what will we be using those tickets to purchase? Either way if they do offer the feathers then that creates a perpetual need to catch up. You use the tickets to get your feathers but miss out on whatever else they make available. Players will say that isn't fair.
Would be nice for those that need the feathers to have a chance to get what they need to finish out any berries they already have but making them available with tickets beyond this event is just kicking the can on down a ways.

spartaxoxo · January 2021

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Recette wrote: »

Since this post is quite lengthy, here's a quick TL;DR for everyone who wishes to know right away what the core issue here is: A lot of us have collected Indrik berries over feathers since we thought the feathers would always be available, so we need a grace period of a couple more events to finish our collections.

Since these have been offered over a period of about two years and you only need a couple more events to finish your collection, why is it not finished already? It seems to be more than focusing on berries instead of feathers.

Does it matter? Even if someone focused on other rewards from the events they still should be allowed the means to get the feathers they need to finish the indriks they have collected the berries for.

That's what the New Life event has been for the last two years. The opportunity to "catch up" on things you may have missed.

Let's say they keep feathers, then all you're going to get is a variation on this post in 6 months... "I cant get all the old feathers I need, the new (whatever the next mechanism is) AND the special rewards, you need to extend/increase/etc..."

Let things end. It's healthy to let go, and have things be finished. If you're a completionist, you would have done your absolute best to actually complete it when appropriate. There were an abundance of ticket opportunities offered, way more than you needed. And, as an absolute last resort, you could buy crowns to get the tickets (or use ESO plus subsciptiin crowns) or buy them from a crown seller. The options were there.

There is literally no acceptable argument for not leaving the feathers in for a short period of time so players that might be behind on gathering feathers can complete their collections. The only reason you could possibly argue against this is because its a "I got mine, screw you" mentality. Leaving feathers in the Impersario for a period of time harms no one. But I really am not surprised that forumites are arguing against something that doesnt impact them but they just have to have a contrarian opinion to an idea.

Thanks for assuming that I dont give a %$*# about other people... there is no way to have any sort of reasonable debate with somebody who makes that assumption about you right off the bat. So, I wont.

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Yes. The feathers were advertised as a permanent part of events and worked that way for 2 years. Therefore if they are going to remove them, players should be given enough time to collect enough feathers for all the berries + a nascent if they are reasonably diligent. And that was not the case. People made play and purchasing decisions based on that information. I personally view it as a very selfish stance to state otherwise because ZOS should of course do what they implied they would do.

Every time a new in-game event starts, you’ll be able to purchase the new Indrik Feather AND any previous feathers. You are not locked out of purchasing feathers from previous events, so if you weren’t able to collect enough Event Tickets previously, you always have a chance to catch up.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/54935

tmbrinks · January 2021

Starlock wrote: »

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

There is literally no acceptable argument for not leaving the feathers in for a short period of time so players that might be behind on gathering feathers can complete their collections. The only reason you could possibly argue against this is because its a "I got mine, screw you" mentality. Leaving feathers in the Impersario for a period of time harms no one. [snip]

It's sometimes less of a "I got mine, screw you" mentality than a "I play this game religiously." Such folks are not in a position to see the problem because they have a fundamentally different experience playing the game because of how many hundreds (if not thousands) of hours they put in.

Most events (not all... before somebody skewers me for saying something incorrect) the thing you had to do to get tickets took minutes to complete, minutes.

If something is important to you, you can find a few minutes to do it, most of the time. The same goes for real life, if it's important to you to exercise, you find the time, if it is important to eat healthy, you find the time to cook, etc...

It's not a case of having to spend thousands of hours to achieve. So stop appealing to the extremes.

spartaxoxo · January 2021

tmbrinks wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

There is literally no acceptable argument for not leaving the feathers in for a short period of time so players that might be behind on gathering feathers can complete their collections. The only reason you could possibly argue against this is because its a "I got mine, screw you" mentality. Leaving feathers in the Impersario for a period of time harms no one. [snip]

It's sometimes less of a "I got mine, screw you" mentality than a "I play this game religiously." Such folks are not in a position to see the problem because they have a fundamentally different experience playing the game because of how many hundreds (if not thousands) of hours they put in.

Most events (not all... before somebody skewers me for saying something incorrect) the thing you had to do to get tickets took minutes to complete, minutes.

If something is important to you, you can find a few minutes to do it, most of the time. The same goes for real life, if it's important to you to exercise, you find the time, if it is important to eat healthy, you find the time to cook, etc...

It's not a case of having to spend thousands of hours to achieve. So stop appealing to the extremes.

Why does that matter at all when they were advertised as permanent? And people made real life purchases based on that advertisement?

tmbrinks · January 2021

spartaxoxo wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

There is literally no acceptable argument for not leaving the feathers in for a short period of time so players that might be behind on gathering feathers can complete their collections. The only reason you could possibly argue against this is because its a "I got mine, screw you" mentality. Leaving feathers in the Impersario for a period of time harms no one. [snip]

It's sometimes less of a "I got mine, screw you" mentality than a "I play this game religiously." Such folks are not in a position to see the problem because they have a fundamentally different experience playing the game because of how many hundreds (if not thousands) of hours they put in.

Most events (not all... before somebody skewers me for saying something incorrect) the thing you had to do to get tickets took minutes to complete, minutes.

If something is important to you, you can find a few minutes to do it, most of the time. The same goes for real life, if it's important to you to exercise, you find the time, if it is important to eat healthy, you find the time to cook, etc...

It's not a case of having to spend thousands of hours to achieve. So stop appealing to the extremes.

Why does that matter at all when they were advertised as permanent? And people made real life purchases based on that advertisement?

They were "permanent" on an event to event basis. Nowhere did they say they would be around forever. They said they were being discontinued months ago.

You've never made a real life purchase where it got discontinued, and you had to change, or upgrade? I have some old DDR3 ram I cant use because my new motherboard only uses DDR4 ram. Things change and evolve.

Miszou · January 2021

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Recette wrote: »

Since this post is quite lengthy, here's a quick TL;DR for everyone who wishes to know right away what the core issue here is: A lot of us have collected Indrik berries over feathers since we thought the feathers would always be available, so we need a grace period of a couple more events to finish our collections.

Since these have been offered over a period of about two years and you only need a couple more events to finish your collection, why is it not finished already? It seems to be more than focusing on berries instead of feathers.

Does it matter? Even if someone focused on other rewards from the events they still should be allowed the means to get the feathers they need to finish the indriks they have collected the berries for.

That's what the New Life event has been for the last two years. The opportunity to "catch up" on things you may have missed.

Let's say they keep feathers, then all you're going to get is a variation on this post in 6 months... "I cant get all the old feathers I need, the new (whatever the next mechanism is) AND the special rewards, you need to extend/increase/etc..."

Let things end. It's healthy to let go, and have things be finished. If you're a completionist, you would have done your absolute best to actually complete it when appropriate. There were an abundance of ticket opportunities offered, way more than you needed. And, as an absolute last resort, you could buy crowns to get the tickets (or use ESO plus subsciptiin crowns) or buy them from a crown seller. The options were there.

There is literally no acceptable argument for not leaving the feathers in for a short period of time so players that might be behind on gathering feathers can complete their collections. The only reason you could possibly argue against this is because its a "I got mine, screw you" mentality. Leaving feathers in the Impersario for a period of time harms no one. [snip]

Well, there kind of is... I mean, the Indriks are supposed to be "limited edition", so how long do you propose leaving them there so that people can catch up..?

And what happens when that time period elapses and someone posts another, almost identical thread, stating that they didn't manage to collect all the feathers they need..?

You have to cut it off at some point, and the writing's been on the wall for months.

That said, the Impressario may stock them again in the future, like she has done with previous motifs in other events.

Disturbed_One · January 2021

there was a Twitter post saying to "hang onto" old feathers and berries... or something. they're likely to come back in some way.

That said, people are entitled to their opinions without being name called, people can disagree, but you dont have to be jerks about it.

Recette · January 2021

First of all thanks to everyone for all the positive feedback and support with this issue. As can be seen on that Twitter thread I linked this is an issue that is relevant to quite a few people within our community, and it gladdens me to see so many people supporting our cause.

Sylvermynx wrote: »

@Recette , what server/platform are you on? If PC, either NA or EU, I will gift you tickets for one indrik. And please, do your best to ignore the obnoxious.

I am indeed on PC EU. Are you absolutely sure you want to do this? That is quite generous considering you would be giving away an Indrik to a stranger. It would really help me out though, and I would be very grateful to you.

Now to adress some of the criticisms to our argument:

tmbrinks wrote: »

To come and have this complaint when there are only 3 days left in the event is pretty short-sighted, in my opinion, since the information was out there months ago.

Would you mind linking your sources on this one? I only learned that Indriks would be discontinued when the Crimson Indrik was announced, and I only learned that the feathers would be discontinued when I dug really deep and found that Twitter thread, where the question was answered on the 15th of december, hardly enough time to catch up on feathers in a meaningful way.

That is also why this post was made so late. I only found the information on Twitter shortly before christmas, and was unable to post until now.

Furthermore the original news posts about the Indriks being discontinued are quite ambiguos and very vague about the feathers. Important information like that should not be limited to the companys social media or the forum, where no concrete information could be easily found either.That kind of thing belongs into a news post in unmistakable, clear terms.

tmbrinks wrote: »

Also, it's okay to not have everything. It's a good lesson to learn for real life as well. Prioritize what is important to you.

I am not here to be taught life lesseons, I am here to play a video game. Furthermore, I have done exactly that, I did prioritize what is important to me, namely getting the full collection of the limited berries.

If you wish to compare this to real life consider this: I bought product A, the berries, which were clearly advertised as having limited availability. Now product A is completely useless without product B, the feathers, which was advertised as having unlimited availability. So my priority was aquiring product A over product B to stock up on the limited supply, well knowing that I can always catch up on product B later.

Now product B gets discontinued shortly with very little advance warning. This makes my full stock of product A potentially completely useless unless I stock up on product B now, which of course would incur significant cost.

Were this actually real life, I would take this to my lawyer to achieve exactly what I am asking for here, an adequate amount of time to acquire enough of product B to make meaningful use of my stock of product A, into which at this point I have invested significant amounts of time and money that would otherwise go to waste. I think trying to reach that goal would be quite achievable since a case could be made here that we are unable to aquire product B as was advertised.

Once again I am not asking for unlimited availability, I am just asking that we, the players who have invested significant amounts of our resources, get a chance to make use of said resources.

I am also not saying I will take ZOS to court over this, that's just silly. I am merely drawing a comparison to how a similiar situation would play out in real life.

tmbrinks wrote: »

You've never made a real life purchase where it got discontinued, and you had to change, or upgrade? I have some old DDR3 ram I cant use because my new motherboard only uses DDR4 ram. Things change and evolve.

The difference here being, you wouldn't buy DDR3 RAM sticks without already having a compatible mainboard to use them on to begin with, or picking up the board alongside the sticks. This situation here is exactly that. We bought the DDR3 RAM because we thought it would have limited availability, while we were under the impression that the boards would not be discontinued, at least not as quickly.

Miszou wrote: »

Well, there kind of is... I mean, the Indriks are supposed to be "limited edition", so how long do you propose leaving them there so that people can catch up..?

And what happens when that time period elapses and someone posts another, almost identical thread, stating that they didn't manage to collect all the feathers they need..?

You have to cut it off at some point, and the writing's been on the wall for months.

That said, the Impressario may stock them again in the future, like she has done with previous motifs in other events.

Good point about someone making an identical post then. My suggestion would be to make an official, unmistakeble news announcement setting a hard date for when they are discontinued, so everyone can plan ahead accordingly. That would leave us with a way to catch up, while also avoiding further controversy.

Clear communication is very important with this issue, which is where part of my core criticism lies. I am not the only one who had to dig deep to find out what was going on, which is part of why I am in this situation to begin with, and it is quite clear from what others have posted that there's other people who also did not know that the feathers were discontinued until it was way too late.

tmbrinks · January 2021

I agree on the clear communication, and ZoS can certainly improve on that.

But it was in PTS patch notes 6.1.3 where the start of the end of indriks was announced. In August. 2020. 4 months ago.

It wasnt a hard "this is ending" (that came later) but it was very strongly implied (and for ZoS that's basically screaming it)

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6897498/#Comment_6897498

Also, why is it easier to search the forums through Google than through the forums themselves...???)

Recette · January 2021

I just did the exact same thing and found it through google. When I was searching the forums for information on the feathers, it was equally hard sadly. Information is just so hard to come by here sometimes.

The actual quote from the patchnotes is this.

Lastly, we introduce our final indrik morph for 2020 (and perhaps for all time), the Crimson Indrik. The first two berries are available on the Impresario for 10 Event Tickets each. What new morphing treasures are coming in 2021? You'll have to wait and see!

This, sadly, is inceredibly vague. While it makes quite clear that the Crimson Indrik is the last one for now, the feathers are not mentioned at all, which is my main criticism. With a hint like that, I still assumed that the feathers would still be available to finish up the collection. If it was made a bit clearer here that that would not be the case I and others might have followed a different strategy during those last few months. That is what I mean by making communication here a bit clearer.

This is also not helped by the fact that it is in the PTS patch notes, which are even less visible to the broad playerbase than the regular ones. The regular patchnotes from augusts 6.1.5 patch sadly make no mention of the Indriks whatsoever.