Fake queuers problem. Yesterday was a good day :)

RottingAlien · December 2020

LashanW wrote: »

There is no right thing here (other than maybe reporting), but it wasn't petty either.

Well, I did actually. I just didn't mention it because it's actually embarrassing how reporting someone who abuses the queue system does absolutely zero.

Scardan · December 2020

Tremuto wrote: »

Scardan wrote: »

Tremuto wrote: »

I welcome fake tanks as long as they have a taunt

Fake tanks does not have anything to do the tanking role. That means, that you welcome bad tanks, tank/dd hybrids, not optimized tanks and not fake tanks.

In my experience, most fake tanks use Inner Fire and then just parse. Of course there's the few out there that expect a carry. As I said before, vanilla dungeons are brain dead, and tanking those dungeons really don't require much skill. You don't need to bring your vSS Godslayer optimization gear to do these dungeons. I'm not sure where this notion came from.

Scardan wrote: »

Fake tank and his comrade voluntarily reached the last boss, if it was unpleasant for them, they would leave the dungeon. If so, logic dictates that they both enjoyed doing dungeon themselves. This means that the author of the topic and the healer did not spoil their fun and pleasure and therefore are not griefers.

Both parties griefed each other. OP got offended by a fake tank and was griefed by not having an "optimized" group for a vanilla veteran dungeon, and the fake tank was griefed by not being rezzed for an hour.

No one is right in this situation, if that's what you're attempting to dispute.

I just do not see griefing from OP side. Fake tank would leave instead of grinding up to the last boss if it would not make any fun. Actually, if fake tank would leave, THEN OP could count as a griefer, because it would be obvious that fake tank lost its fun because of him. Griefing is described in a way, that somebody have to deliberately take fun away from other person to quilify as griefer. Logic says me, that it was not the case, and nobody who calls OP a griefer have provided something objective that would prove their statements, which does not make me believe them more then my conclusions.

I do not think that OP was right just making fun of them two, I would just try to finish a dungeon to not get a penalty, nobody owes me anything anyway, so I would not even be angry at them for faking, I just desagree with calling OP a griefer.

Linaleah · December 2020

OP - my hat off to you. more often then not, mostly cause I tend to queue up on my own, I just grit my teeth and get on with the run as much as possible and i know, I KNOW that by doing that - I justify those people's fake queueing and have them think that this is fine, its not big deal what they are doing. but between being on my own and just being tired of confrontations, I don't have the balls to do what you did. even if I sometimes wish that I did.

so kudos to you. unironically.

hexnotic · December 2020

If someone skipping the queue makes ya salty consider exclusively running pre made dungeon groups.

Merry Christmas everyone!

RottingAlien · December 2020

hexnotic wrote: »

If someone skipping the queue makes ya salty consider exclusively running pre made dungeon groups.

Merry Christmas everyone!

No, I won't. I will keep queueing my correct role the way its intended and using the queue if I need to, the way it's intended too, like many other decent people.

But I will find a pre-made group when I want to run 3dd 1t

hexnotic · December 2020

RottingAlien wrote: »

hexnotic wrote: »

If someone skipping the queue makes ya salty consider exclusively running pre made dungeon groups.

Merry Christmas everyone!

No, I won't. I will keep queueing my correct role the way its intended and using the queue if I need to, the way it's intended too, like many other decent people.

But I will find a pre-made group when I want to run 3dd 1t

Well good luck with that! The queue always manages to disappoint, so have fun with that one.

Miszou · December 2020

Artanisul wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

RottingAlien wrote: »

Again, no.
Don't forget this was the second encounter with these players.
the first encounter we had to change gear on purposed because no one was tanking and the "tank" was dying dying dying.
We actually gave him a chance and told him it was a bad idea to fake queue on vet. Did he listen? of course not. Again, these kinds of players just think about themselves, nothing more.

Ok, fair enough.

I'm still not convinced that vigilante justice is the right approach, but that doesn't mean I can't understand why you did it.

I'd be more inclined to just finish the dungeon and move on with my life, since you clearly made it to the end on both occasions.

"All it takes for evil to win is for good men to do nothing."

An admirable quote, and one that I completely support. but we're talking about a video game here, not fighting the rising tide of neo-fascism.

Like I said, I'd just finish the dungeon and move on with my life.

Runefang · December 2020

I don't get the fake tank hate really. I've lost count of the number of times I do it (including vet non-DLC dungeons) and do 80%+ group dps. Those groups probably would disband before the 2nd boss, I'd guarantee a real tank would likely quit pretty early on. A taunt isn't even needed as long as you speed run and hit the boss first.

RottingAlien · December 2020

Runefang wrote: »

I don't get the fake tank hate really. I've lost count of the number of times I do it (including vet non-DLC dungeons) and do 80%+ group dps. Those groups probably would disband before the 2nd boss, I'd guarantee a real tank would likely quit pretty early on. A taunt isn't even needed as long as you speed run and hit the boss first.

You do realize that you can still help them (i would say help them even more) while queuing the correct role, right? And let other people actually learn proper mechanics. Even if you don't need them.

And probably if more "Elite DDs" actually queued properly, groups would actually have proper DPS instead of a fubar group. where tanks are dds and dds have to slot tank stuff.

RottingAlien · December 2020

hexnotic wrote: »

RottingAlien wrote: »

hexnotic wrote: »

If someone skipping the queue makes ya salty consider exclusively running pre made dungeon groups.

Merry Christmas everyone!

No, I won't. I will keep queueing my correct role the way its intended and using the queue if I need to, the way it's intended too, like many other decent people.

But I will find a pre-made group when I want to run 3dd 1t

Well good luck with that! The queue always manages to disappoint, so have fun with that one.

Hey c'mon, a little more faith please xD
Tbh when I queue DD it does not usually disappoint, I know I can guarantee the damage needed for any dungeon content. And running with proper tank and healer feels great and you can just parse.

Queueing as tank or healer tho is like playing Russian roulette. probably because the dds are playing as not-dds

Eedat · December 2020

Miszou wrote: »

RottingAlien wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

So... you made it all the way to the last boss and then just stood and watched them die until they quit?

not, we stood and watched the entire dungeon and made sure they knew it was because of the queue skipper
Ah, they also were saying stuff like "It's easy anyway" and not even caring to change anything. I guess that did not age well for them.

Miszou wrote: »

There's another side to this story you know - one where you and your healer friend are griefers....

And no. We queued up with the correct roles for the correct content. The tank did not and we couldn't kick him. Don't even try to turn that around buddy not gonna work

Again, keep fake queuing that is completely plaguing normal randoms away from vets. That is not the place.
Simple.

Ok, so the two of them made it all the way to the last boss without any help from you. I'm still not sure how exactly this is a problem for you, if the TWO of them made it that far without your help? Clearly the group didn't even need a tank anyway.

I still say there are two sides to this, and you've yet to convince me that your side is "right" and not just petty.

Queue up for the role you are set up to do. Someone griefed the lobby by fake queueing in a vet dungeon for a role they obviously can't perform. Idrc about normals, but on Vet it's incredibly obnoxious. Their friend enables the griefing by blocking a justified kick.

Your reaction is that by not giving the griefers exactly what they want, you also are a griefer. Gonna be a no from me dawg. The griefers continued to grief the entire lobby by blocking a vote kick. Nobody is responsible for carrying them.

Two players queued up for correct roles and continually tried to remove a player griefing the lobby. Two players continually griefed them the entire time and actively blocked all attempts to rectify the griefing. It's very obvious who is right and who is wrong.

SickDuck · December 2020

Well done to OP! This is education at it best possible way. And just like IRL it takes a lot of effort and sacrifice to raise children. Only if more people did the same then maybe ESO would be more mature.

There have been so many thread about the root problem, and it's just pathetic to see that there are always people defending the a'holes who are deliberately abusing the system at others' expense. All the 'go with premades', 'go with guild', 'why are you queuing for vet', 'you could just leave', etc reasoning. Never the anti-socials, always the good guys to blame - utter nonsense.

And ZOS won't do anything about this to make it better - they can't even make a properly working DF tool for years now. God save us from them trying to "fix this". They gave us the vote to kick option already but people not using it for the very reason it should be used. And I get it, in this situation a friend saved the slacker, but so many times complete strangers blocked the vote, just because they felt we could get through and carry the "poor guy". There is no obligation to do so and if you do you are part of the problem because it just encourages this type of behaviour. Many times these fake tank don't even comply as a DD either and being absolutely useless.

Ateena · December 2020

Thank you for your service.
You can easily tell by the replies who abuses the queue system.

Chrysa1is · December 2020

It is possible to complete that dungeon without a tank btw

iksde · December 2020

Chrysa1is wrote: »

It is possible to complete that dungeon without a tank btw

yes it is if you are not beginner, if you got some exp to know game, how to play it and still you are not forced to literally carry an troll, griefer

as OP was saying this tank had nno taunt and was constantly dying....and friend of this fake tank didn't let to kick him we can say it was cleary just toxic behaviour...guy on fake tank couldnt perfor tank role and DD role because of constant deaths....so he was literally useless teammate just for carry nothing else while also introducing toxicity into group with his friend

so all they way even in dung where we can run on 4DD because it is easy we are not forced to carry griefers, trolls, toxic players and we have full right to even just sit on back and watch them struggling to do anything as they planted their seeds by not knowing game enough to atleast fulfill their role in basic and still queue as fake role not able to fulfil it either making dung run just very bad experience for rest in group and so then harvesting their crops by struggling alone in 2nd dungeon and just lying dead at last boss

all actions have reactions and fake tank with his friend got reaction they deserved....and I will say by their behaviour they deserved more punish than just case with OP, I hope if someone else get grouped with them will also punish them somehow they should feel it

LashanW · December 2020

Runefang wrote: »

I don't get the fake tank hate really. I've lost count of the number of times I do it (including vet non-DLC dungeons) and do 80%+ group dps. Those groups probably would disband before the 2nd boss, I'd guarantee a real tank would likely quit pretty early on. A taunt isn't even needed as long as you speed run and hit the boss first.

A pure DD that slot the undaunted taunt does not lose any dps from doing so. The stam morph of the taunt gives you a 5% dps boost, that more than makes up for whatever DoT you had to drop to slot the taunt.

The only reason a fake tank does not slot a taunt is because they don't care about anything other than themselves and possibly expecting someone else to take the heat because the fake tank can't handle the heat. Pathetic behavior.

Chrysa1is wrote: »

It is possible to complete that dungeon without a tank btw

Yes. It's also possible to just solo them. Wonder why fake tanks don't do this...