[PS4] NA - A player has been looking for group in Cyrodiil for 20 minutes

Deedleqwerty · December 2020

He's screaming (so to speak) his frustration in zone chat. Those changes in the support classes for Cyrodiil really suck for those players unlucky enough not to be able to find a group.

I reckon they'll just build werewolves, run around and howl, howl, howl.

Norith_Gilheart_Flail · December 2020

Part game mechanics, but also part player interaction.

How much of an incentive do you believe is required, in order to encourage people to actually want to invite someone from their own faction, to group?

I totally get it. At the very least, assuming they are terrible at the game, they're another meatshield and may or may not provide buffs.

If you cannot even get people to invite you for the above, then how much is it really the games problem when it's clearly other people not interested to do so in the first place?

renne · December 2020

Honestly, the group size is just too small now for people to want to add randoms into their group. If the randoms aren't great in a 24 person group it's not a huge deal, but it is a much bigger one though with just 12 people. And without having anyone around who can heal them if they can't get into a group, what is the point to even be there on their own?

This is absolutely the game's problem, not the players.

katanagirl1 · December 2020

Smaller group size now but still the same number of crowns.

cyberjanet · December 2020

In EU zone chat is mostly filled with LFG. But mostly what they are looking for is a good group to carry them, I think. We actually had a group; it was small, about five people. We failed at taking a keep, so the people in the group left then spent the next however long shouting LFG in zone chat. They were just in one, but it wasn't good enough for them. The two of who remained went and captured some resources for AP and didn't reinvite them.

Kwoung · December 2020

Same deal on PCNA Blackreach tonight, some poor guy was LFG for like 2 hours. We had a guild group and invited a couple folks that were following us around as well, so just didn't have room. Plus, its Blackreach, someone helping you... you invite to group, someone spamming zone chat, 50/50 chance is a spy looking to tell his faction where your group is headed.

Larcomar · December 2020

Yep, I used to go in most afternoons and just pug for an hour or two. That scene's dead now. There are hardly any groups, and if you do get one they're useless - when they were 24 strong, it didn't matter that some were coming/going, some were off crown and some were just a bit useless. 12? Forget it. Recipe for frustration. You just don't have an effective force.

I think what's really hit players though is the interaction of this change with the ban on healing / getting healed solo. In the past, if they couldn't get a group, people would just head towards the action, see the crowd and follow it. Now groups / balls are allowed to cross heal but solos can't, it's a farm fest. That's why so many people are just sitting at north gate lfg'ing.

I don't think zeni is going to change it back, so people just have to adapt. I'm not sure how though. As has been said in other posts, it feels like Zeni wants cyro to be a 12x12x12 BG now and there's not much room left for more casual players in pvp now. If people want to pvp, they're going to have joing pvp guilds and play in structured groups. If they don't want to do that, it's probably time to pull out of cyro. Personally, I'm finally getting around to taking my toons through Craglorn. If I'm basically fighting mobs, at leats there's more variety there.

Faded · December 2020

Zavijah_Arventi wrote: »

At the very least, assuming they are terrible at the game, they're another meatshield and may or may not provide buffs.

If you cannot even get people to invite you for the above, then how much is it really the games problem when it's clearly other people not interested to do so in the first place?

If they aren't geared or built for Cyrodiil ("terrible at the game") that's not a meat shield, that's a Vicious Death bomb.

How much is it really the game's problem and how much is people being people? Given recent changes to the rules in Cyrodiil that put people at a disadvantage in combat for simply not being grouped, any problems cropping up are on the devs. Human nature didn't change this patch.

NordSwordnBoard · December 2020

Last night someone also linked Brenda's mug in chat. The event has an effect, at least for the first few days.

Jaraal · December 2020

renne wrote: »

Honestly, the group size is just too small now for people to want to add randoms into their group. If the randoms aren't great in a 24 person group it's not a huge deal, but it is a much bigger one though with just 12 people. And without having anyone around who can heal them if they can't get into a group, what is the point to even be there on their own?

This is absolutely the game's problem, not the players.

Totally agree, but they said they liked the behavioral changes from killing out of group buffing/healing and cutting group size in half.

Somebody up there must really like the immortal proc spam werewolf ball groups.

Jaraal · December 2020

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

Last night someone also linked Brenda's mug in chat. The event has an effect, at least for the first few days.

Also ironic that you can't even use the XP buff mug in Cyrodiil or Imperial City. You have to physically leave the zone to activate it.

Deedleqwerty · December 2020

Larcomar wrote: »

Yep, I used to go in most afternoons and just pug for an hour or two. That scene's dead now. There are hardly any groups, and if you do get one they're useless - when they were 24 strong, it didn't matter that some were coming/going, some were off crown and some were just a bit useless. 12? Forget it. Recipe for frustration. You just don't have an effective force.

I think what's really hit players though is the interaction of this change with the ban on healing / getting healed solo. In the past, if they couldn't get a group, people would just head towards the action, see the crowd and follow it. Now groups / balls are allowed to cross heal but solos can't, it's a farm fest. That's why so many people are just sitting at north gate lfg'ing.

I don't think zeni is going to change it back, so people just have to adapt. I'm not sure how though. As has been said in other posts, it feels like Zeni wants cyro to be a 12x12x12 BG now and there's not much room left for more casual players in pvp now. If people want to pvp, they're going to have joing pvp guilds and play in structured groups. If they don't want to do that, it's probably time to pull out of cyro. Personally, I'm finally getting around to taking my toons through Craglorn. If I'm basically fighting mobs, at leats there's more variety there.

Yeah. These changes were why I cancelled ESO+. I used to love Cyrodiil. Now, not so much.

VaranisArano · December 2020

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Smaller group size now but still the same number of crowns.

This fits with my experience.

I've led PUGs. I started by accident, because I was the only person in group with a clear idea of where to go, so I got Crown. I liked my first experience enough to try again, so for awhile, I led PUG raids in Cyrodiil.

Most players don't just want "a group." They want leadership. They want someone else who can get them to developing fights so they can have fun and make AP.

That takes a certain amount of experience to know how to predict where developing fights are going and a certain amount of watching the map, watching zone chat, and coordinating with other groups. It takes a certain amount of multitasking to get an PUG raid together from zone, coordinate players who might be scattered or on slow mounts, organize an attack or defense with 12 people, on top of, well, actually fighting, sieging, healing and all the stuff I would normally do if I were PVPing as just a member of a group.

And that's when we were winning. Lose a few battles and my group gets strung out, and people start wandering away, so we lost yet more battles.

And, and if my PUGs were inexperienced, then I was trying to teach the basics of group combat in Cyrodiil - stuff like "stick together for strength in numbers" as I'm watching them chase and die to gankers.

And, and, and if performance was bad, then my PUGs were crashing, and I was crashing, and everything got that much more chaotic.

I found being a PUG crown too stressful. It wasn't fun. So I stopped doing it.

More players want to join groups - few players have the experience and desire to lead PUGs. Inevitably, more players are going to be LFG than groups willing to take them.

(If anyone has advice about leading PUGs, I'd be happy to hear it!)

Deedleqwerty · December 2020

VaranisArano wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Smaller group size now but still the same number of crowns.

This fits with my experience.

I've led PUGs. I started by accident, because I was the only person in group with a clear idea of where to go, so I got Crown. I liked my first experience enough to try again, so for awhile, I led PUG raids in Cyrodiil.

Most players don't just want "a group." They want leadership. They want someone else who can get them to developing fights so they can have fun and make AP.

That takes a certain amount of experience to know how to predict where developing fights are going and a certain amount of watching the map, watching zone chat, and coordinating with other groups. It takes a certain amount of multitasking to get an PUG raid together from zone, coordinate players who might be scattered or on slow mounts, organize an attack or defense with 12 people, on top of, well, actually fighting, sieging, healing and all the stuff I would normally do if I were PVPing as just a member of a group.

And that's when we were winning. Lose a few battles and my group gets strung out, and people start wandering away, so we lost yet more battles.

And, and if my PUGs were inexperienced, then I was trying to teach the basics of group combat in Cyrodiil - stuff like "stick together for strength in numbers" as I'm watching them chase and die to gankers.

And, and, and if performance was bad, then my PUGs were crashing, and I was crashing, and everything got that much more chaotic.

I found being a PUG crown too stressful. It wasn't fun. So I stopped doing it.

More players want to join groups - few players have the experience and desire to lead PUGs. Inevitably, more players are going to be LFG than groups willing to take them.

(If anyone has advice about leading PUGs, I'd be happy to hear it!)

Yep. I used to crown. But I got tired of the random greens I'd pick up wander off to do their own thing. As a group, we made plenty of AP, but there's always those few who won't stick to crown. I've got 55 million AP at the moment. I don't need any more. I just want to have fun. Unfortunately, Cyrodiil isn't much fun anymore.

Joy_Division · December 2020

Since groups are smaller, people are going to take less chances on unknowns.

Deedleqwerty · December 2020

Yeah. I feel sorry for the new players. This used to be an accepting community. It's not that it's unfriendly now. It's just that we don't want to take a chance on the untried noob, when we have such a small group.

Jaraal · December 2020

Yes, the margin of error is much smaller now. People are even announcing that they have siege or listing Alliance Rank when LFGing in zone chat. And yet even these folks aren't getting picked up.

It's becoming primarily a PvP guild vs PvP guild battlefield, with everybody else just looking to fit in, and usually failing. Very unwelcoming atmosphere for people still learning or trying out Cyro for the first time.