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I’m CP507 DPS magsorc and I just put Crystal Frags as my primary spammable. Am I crazy?
OmenRIP
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Hi,
I’m a DPS HA no-pet (new also) PVE-only magsorc. I’m new to HA, but I’m getting used to only having Crit Surge and pots for healing. For my spammable I first used Force Pulse, but didn’t like that. Then I used Daedric Prey, but gave up on that too. I decided to try my olden days Crystal Frags as the spammable, and you know what? It seems to cast a little faster and hit a little harder ( but that might be my imagination ). I notice that it can even bring the health down on bosses like in Banished Cells I, etc.
Am I nuts? Am I dreaming for the old days? Please set me straight.
You newbie CP507 magsorc HA.
I’m a DPS HA no-pet (new also) PVE-only magsorc. I’m new to HA, but I’m getting used to only having Crit Surge and pots for healing. For my spammable I first used Force Pulse, but didn’t like that. Then I used Daedric Prey, but gave up on that too. I decided to try my olden days Crystal Frags as the spammable, and you know what? It seems to cast a little faster and hit a little harder ( but that might be my imagination ). I notice that it can even bring the health down on bosses like in Banished Cells I, etc.
Am I nuts? Am I dreaming for the old days? Please set me straight.
You newbie CP507 magsorc HA.
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iksde✭✭✭✭nah, as lately crystal frag can proc itself on hardcasting it is not bad
my friend cap cp started to use it instead ele weapon as his LA are not the best...they are jsut good, close to great at all but he feel much better with crystal frag as spammable, it is more comfortable for him, he is doing something around 70k dps on parse which rasied easily from 60k when he had nt full gear with traits for this and he was not maining dps, he was healer
so again this is not bad idea if you feel it better spammable than any other or if you dont have space for other while keeping frags on bar for proc
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Suna_Ye_Sunnabe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You'd be better off using elemental weapon or crushing shock/force pulse as your main spammable, then casting frags when they're ready to insta cast.Angua Anyammis Ae Sunna13 -
I started writing with the premise you are a newbie, but then re-read you are CP 500 so will not mansplain to you, that would otherwise be insulting.
Question : Does your spamming also include Light Attack Weaving? i'm not getting the impression that it does. That is why Force Pulse is considered the spammable. Otherwise yes, Cast for Cast Frags is going to hit for me.
You could try Elemental Weapon, from the Psijic line if you are looking for something with a slower, more deliberate cadence to casting speed, as it *sounds* like that might be what your primary objection to date has been?
Other than that, it is what it is, and really - you do you.
Edited by Norith_Gilheart_Flail on December 17, 2020 11:15PM0 -
Eedat✭✭✭✭✭Hi,
I’m a DPS HA no-pet (new also) PVE-only magsorc. I’m new to HA, but I’m getting used to only having Crit Surge and pots for healing. For my spammable I first used Force Pulse, but didn’t like that. Then I used Daedric Prey, but gave up on that too. I decided to try my olden days Crystal Frags as the spammable, and you know what? It seems to cast a little faster and hit a little harder ( but that might be my imagination ). I notice that it can even bring the health down on bosses like in Banished Cells I, etc.
Am I nuts? Am I dreaming for the old days? Please set me straight.
You newbie CP507 magsorc HA.
Do HA builds even use a spammable? Mine doesnt.0 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Frags spammable is a legitimate build now. The cast time was reduced, they can now generate frag procs, and you get cost reduction on your next skill after a hard-cast frag. Personally I don’t think it weaves very smoothly with light attacks and bar swaps, or times nicely with DoTs, but it’s not the joke it used to be.4 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hi,
I’m a DPS HA no-pet (new also) PVE-only magsorc. I’m new to HA, but I’m getting used to only having Crit Surge and pots for healing. For my spammable I first used Force Pulse, but didn’t like that. Then I used Daedric Prey, but gave up on that too. I decided to try my olden days Crystal Frags as the spammable, and you know what? It seems to cast a little faster and hit a little harder ( but that might be my imagination ). I notice that it can even bring the health down on bosses like in Banished Cells I, etc.
Am I nuts? Am I dreaming for the old days? Please set me straight.
You newbie CP507 magsorc HA.
Do HA builds even use a spammable? Mine doesnt.
Isn't rune the ha build spammable?1 -
ssewallb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭HA as in heavy attack build? Scalding rune or daedric tomb are much better options.1 -
OmenRIP✭✭✭Zavijah_Arventi wrote: »I started writing with the premise you are a newbie, but then re-read you are CP 500 so will not mansplain to you, that would otherwise be insulting.
Question : Does your spamming also include Light Attack Weaving? i'm not getting the impression that it does. That is why Force Pulse is considered the spammable. Otherwise yes, Cast for Cast Frags is going to hit for me.
You could try Elemental Weapon, from the Psijic line if you are looking for something with a slower, more deliberate cadence to casting speed, as it *sounds* like that might be what your primary objection to date has been?
Other than that, it is what it is, and really - you do you.
Hi Zavijah_Arventi!
Sorry this is a long post
LA weaving on a PS4 controller is very difficult for me. I can never get the cadence quite right.
I never thought about using Elemental Weapon. When I was ‘growing up’ I used Force pulse sort of weaved with the LA of my Mother’s Sorrow inferno staff. That seemed to work pretty well. I could take down most trash mobs without even using my AOE. But now I’ve got a lightning staff as primary and the inferno as backup. For a while I did use Daedric Prey instead of Force Pulse, but I found that it seemed to cast too slow (I first set it up this way in Maelstrom) plus the explosions never occurred since I was spamming it.
When I went from 2 pets with Force Pulse and LA - to no pets, a lightning staff (which I use almost always for HA) and Crystal Frags. The HA seems to take longer to kill, say normal werewolves, than 3 or 4 Frags. I really like the fast kill, since I lost both pets and I still feel a little vulnerable without them.
I guess I watch too many YouTube videos and read too much on the web. There’s lots of videos on magsorc with no pets (to free up slots), and I like the extra slots 🙂. Sometimes it’s hard for me to tell if the builds are for PvE (which I only do), PvP, or both. Running solo I’ll never get the special armor/weapons dropped in the vet dungeons.
My current bars are:
Primary (Gold MS Lightning Staff with Shock Glyph)
⏹Crystal Frags (was Daedric Prey IV)
🔼Inner Light IV (passives only)
⏺Hardened Ward IV
L1-Mystic Orb IV (was Structured Entropy IV)
R1-Bound Aegis IV
L1+L2-Temporal Guard IV (passives only)
Backup (Gold MS Inferno Staff with Shock Glyph)
⏹Blockade of Fire IV
🔼Lightning Flood IV
⏺Inner Light IV (was CA)
L1-Critical Surge IV
R1-Boundless Storm IV
L1+R1-Greater Charged Storm Atronach IV
Armor - 5 pieces Julianos, 5 piece MS, 2 Armor of the Trainee.
Again, sorry for the length of my reply. I just thought I’d explain myself in more detail.
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OmenRIP✭✭✭ssewallb14_ESO wrote: »HA as in heavy attack build? Scalding rune or daedric tomb are much better options.
Hi ssewallb14_ESO,
I looked at scalding rune and it didn’t seem like it applied to my play style. Same with Daedric tomb. I only play PvE solo and these seemed more like PvP skills to me.
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OmenRIP✭✭✭Hi,
I’m a DPS HA no-pet (new also) PVE-only magsorc. I’m new to HA, but I’m getting used to only having Crit Surge and pots for healing. For my spammable I first used Force Pulse, but didn’t like that. Then I used Daedric Prey, but gave up on that too. I decided to try my olden days Crystal Frags as the spammable, and you know what? It seems to cast a little faster and hit a little harder ( but that might be my imagination ). I notice that it can even bring the health down on bosses like in Banished Cells I, etc.
Am I nuts? Am I dreaming for the old days? Please set me straight.
You newbie CP507 magsorc HA.
Do HA builds even use a spammable? Mine doesnt.
Compared to Force Pulse and LA alternating, I really missed the rapid fire. When I dropped FP, the HA of the lightning staff seems to lock on to mobs even though they might jump behind me. This is great. But face to face Frags seems to wipe them out quick after a couple of direct HA’s.
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OmenRIP✭✭✭Suna_Ye_Sunnabe wrote: »You'd be better off using elemental weapon or crushing shock/force pulse as your main spammable, then casting frags when they're ready to insta cast.
Another newbie thing I do - most of the time I don’t wait for it to Instacast on bosses. When I see my aoe’s up and surge is healing, I’ll let go of a few CF’s then back to AOE, surge and HA. When the boss is low in health, the CF’s finish it off faster than my staff’s HA.
At least that’s my noob experience so far with HA.0 -
Gotcha.
OK, as you're a HA build. You could legitimately just double bar lightning. There is no real weaving to be done. Apart from prioritising Frags proc.
At the end of HA, you will see the bigger number hit. That's your cue to apply Daedric Prey, or a dot, or another countdown detonator ability, or a buff like Critical Surge. Whatever you like.
One thing I would do is prioritise a single target bar, and an aoe bar. If you are having dificulties LA'ing, which I can appreciate as I like playing with an xbox controller on PC, then bar swapping may also be something you are not as on top of as well, and that's OK.
Som abilities to consider between Heavy Attacks:
Soul Splitting Trap, Haunting Curse, Frags Proc, Mystic Orb, Unstable Wall of Elements, Lightning Flood.
Some buffs I would use:
Critical Surge, Boundless Storm (drop shields, as I take it you aren't running vet dlc dungeons or raids, and the resistances plus aoe dot from boundless is more than sufficient as will proc your Critical Surge for self heals.
keep in mind though that HA builds excel at AOE, because.. that's just the nature of that staff and it's passives. But for a more measured pace of actions per minute this'll do. Inner light or the other one I forgot it's name is good to go on the front bar for it's extra dps, but if you're going down that path, then why not equip both?
Anyway, food for thought. It's all about finding something you are comfortable with and do a good job in turn at.
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Wolf81✭✭✭The one I found to of liked was force pulse is spam skill between dot/walls upkeep at 20% below you switch to endless fury as the spammable using crystal frag procs as they come up.0 -
Eiregirl✭✭✭I looked at scalding rune and it didn’t seem like it applied to my play style. Same with Daedric tomb. I only play PvE solo and these seemed more like PvP skills to me.
If you are heavy attacking rune would play into your heavy attacks. Check out the mages guild passives one will increase the damage of your heavy attacks by 40% for 3 seconds which just happens to mesh very well with a heavy attack...might of the guild.1 -
Shantu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Using sets like Undaunted Infiltrator (transmuted jewels and weapons) and Infallible Mage along, with a Maelstrom lightning staff and about 37 CP's into Staff Expert, can give you a very effective boost in your HA damage.1 -
CrashTest✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nah, you're fine. I've recently switched to Crystal Frag spammable in solo builds just to try something new, and it performs well. It's not as strong as Ele Weapon, but not bad either, and I get to use a bar full of Sorc skills which I prefer bc I like using as many class skills as possible to really feel the uniqueness of a particular class.0 -
ccfeeling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭HA build with spammable ?
HA build actually doesn't need any spammable , you could use either Structured Entropy or Scalding Rune maximize your HA power in the rotation , long range supported .
I don't really get it , spammable means the skill you use to execute the target or there is other condition you will use LA weaving which requires spammable ?0 -
Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭CFrags as spammable is a 100% viable setup. It's definitely not the best and you'll achieve slightly better results with standard spammables, but if you need additional bar slot (magsorcs are pretty short of these) or you simply like the gameplay, then go for it.
I use it myself for some statics fights like 1st in vMoL. I'd rather avoid it in mobile fights cuz casting slows your movement speed.
What I dislike about Cfrags as spammable and cast time / channeled spammables in general is that dynamic rotations with these feel very clunky.
Edited by Olupajmibanan on December 18, 2020 8:20AM1 -
Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nothing wrong with Crystal frags, its a great skill. When Ive used it I work it into the rotation only when it procs, so in this respect its not really being used as a true "spammable". Hope that makes sense.0 -
OmenRIP✭✭✭Olupajmibanan wrote: »CFrags as spammable is a 100% viable setup. It's definitely not the best and you'll achieve slightly better results with standard spammables, but if you need additional bar slot (magsorcs are pretty short of these) or you simply like the gameplay, then go for it.
I use it myself for some statics fights like 1st in vMoL. I'd rather avoid it in mobile fights cuz casting slows your movement speed.
What I dislike about Cfrags as spammable and cast time / channeled spammables in general is that dynamic rotations with these feel very clunky.
Hi Olupajmibanan,
One of the other reasons I use Frags because HA keeps my magicka topped off. I then have plenty to throw a few Frags in. I changed the glyphs on my necklace and rings to spell damage instead of the normal magicka regen, so my crits are around 70% with passive buffs on my front bar.
It does definitely interfere with the fluidity of the fight mechanics. Also wish it was easier to tell when it’s ready to instacast. I would just use the instacast most of the time. As of now I can’t tell when the proc is ready.Edited by OmenRIP on December 18, 2020 11:20AM0 -
OmenRIP✭✭✭Grianasteri wrote: »Nothing wrong with Crystal frags, its a great skill. When Ive used it I work it into the rotation only when it procs, so in this respect its not really being used as a true "spammable". Hope that makes sense.
My problem is that I can’t tell when it’s ready to proc. So most of time when I cast it’s the normal Frags delay.
If you have any insights how I can tell easily when it ready to proc, please let me know.
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OmenRIP✭✭✭HA build with spammable ?
HA build actually doesn't need any spammable , you could use either Structured Entropy or Scalding Rune maximize your HA power in the rotation , long range supported .
I don't really get it , spammable means the skill you use to execute the target or there is other condition you will use LA weaving which requires spammable ?
I’m new (as I said) to a HA setup with a lightning staff on the front bar. I found through my ‘extensive 😄’ testing that sometimes the LA misses if the target moves. The HA attack keeps locked on the target even if I/it moves. I’m sure I’m doing it wrong, but it’s hard to do LA weaving with a PS4 controller 😩
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OmenRIP✭✭✭Using sets like Undaunted Infiltrator (transmuted jewels and weapons) and Infallible Mage along, with a Maelstrom lightning staff and about 37 CP's into Staff Expert, can give you a very effective boost in your HA damage.
Hi Shantu,
Unfortunately i think the Maelstrom staff is unobtainable to me without loads of sedatives 😄. Ive run it (normal) many times, but no staff. Also, even if the staff drops, it costs so much now to upgade it to legendary that it’s not worth it.
The Undaunted Infiltratior I’ll never have. Same with Infallible Mage 😩. I’ve got to play with armor/weapons that I can get solo. The only things I might be able to get is a monster set using the Gold vendor and Undaunted keys. I’m afraid that’s the closest I can get to ‘special’ gear.
I have 53 in staff expert, but since I’m only 507, I have many more points to get.
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OmenRIP✭✭✭I looked at scalding rune and it didn’t seem like it applied to my play style. Same with Daedric tomb. I only play PvE solo and these seemed more like PvP skills to me.
If you are heavy attacking rune would play into your heavy attacks. Check out the mages guild passives one will increase the damage of your heavy attacks by 40% for 3 seconds which just happens to mesh very well with a heavy attack...might of the guild.
Hi Eiregirl,
I’m still working up the Mages guild passives. On PS4 there’s no addons, so it’s tedious to say the least to level it. And I thought Psijic leveling was bad 😄
I’ll look again at scalding rune, but I admit I just read the description; I did not actually bar it. I’ll try it today instead of Frags (at least to level it up).
I’m using the thief mundus for my crits. I had been using shadow, but thief bumped my crits up nicely.
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zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I didnt see if anyone mentioned it yet but, you have 2 lightning glyphs on your staves, which is very very bad, because the same weapon glyphs, share cooldown. It means that it doesn't matter if you have 2 glyphs, or 1 glyph and then a weapon without a glyph at all. I would recommend changing one of the glyphs to a fire one, so you have 1 fire 1 lightning.Edited by zvavi on December 18, 2020 12:31PM3 -
GreenhaloX✭✭✭✭✭
✭To continuously or repeatedly spam any single skill is crazy in itself; particularly when the frag has been nerfed to shred and not as strong as once upon a time when toons were great. Especially a magsorc, you can't just spam a single or particular skill. You just lose out on all the benefits of DoTs of the other crucial skills. Other than adds or trash mobs, you have to rotate between skills on bosses and higher level cronies. More readily, if you should spam a skill in between rotation, it would be better to light weave the Force Pulse a couple or few times before re-engaging the DoTs rotation.
Personally, with slots restricted on the bars, I prefer to slot in Destructive Reach rather than the Frag. It may not be as strong as a direct attack as Frag, but I like the added DoT from Reach. Of course, preference here. Plus, I already get good direct attack damage with the Curse and light/Force Pulse combo.0 -
OmenRIP✭✭✭I didnt see if anyone mentioned it yet but, you have 2 lightning glyphs on your staves, which is very very bad, because the same weapon glyphs, share cooldown. It means that it doesn't matter if you have 2 glyphs, or 1 glyph and then a weapon without a glyph at all. I would recommend changing one of the glyphs to a fire one, so you have 1 fire 1 lightning.
Hi zvavi,
I didn’t know that. I acquired the staves over time, so I thought one inferno and one lightning would be fine. The inferno and lightning are native to the staves. I added a shock glyph to both staves, not realizing what you just told me 😱
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OmenRIP✭✭✭I didnt see if anyone mentioned it yet but, you have 2 lightning glyphs on your staves, which is very very bad, because the same weapon glyphs, share cooldown. It means that it doesn't matter if you have 2 glyphs, or 1 glyph and then a weapon without a glyph at all. I would recommend changing one of the glyphs to a fire one, so you have 1 fire 1 lightning.
Hi zvavi,
I didn’t know that. I acquired the staves over time, so I thought one inferno and one lightning would be fine. The inferno and lightning are native to the staves. I added a shock glyph to both staves, not realizing what you just told me 😱
Thanks for the great catch!
I added a flame glyph to my inferno staff. Thanks again.
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OmenRIP✭✭✭Hi,
I’m a DPS HA no-pet (new also) PVE-only magsorc. I’m new to HA, but I’m getting used to only having Crit Surge and pots for healing. For my spammable I first used Force Pulse, but didn’t like that. Then I used Daedric Prey, but gave up on that too. I decided to try my olden days Crystal Frags as the spammable, and you know what? It seems to cast a little faster and hit a little harder ( but that might be my imagination ). I notice that it can even bring the health down on bosses like in Banished Cells I, etc.
Am I nuts? Am I dreaming for the old days? Please set me straight.
You newbie CP507 magsorc HA.
I just wanted to let everyone know that I’m now trying out Shock Clench with my lightning staff/shock glyph.
Thanks for all the input!!!
Edited by OmenRIP on December 19, 2020 11:57PM0
