As a tank I very much appreciate being able to see the health of others (forgetting to eat food for example) and my % of the total dps. Pugs take a long time when I see I'm doing 20% of the damage but at least this way I know and adjust my expectations.

The loot drops addon I never liked.

Nairinhe wrote: »

mocap wrote: »

loot spy addon in PUG dungeons are kinda sorta bad thing. But in PUG trials is essential when you trying to farm something.

It's not essential. If you want something - ask if anyone has it, I haven't seen a single trial PUG where most of the group didn't take a bit of time to share the loot.
Your farming doesn't make you entitled to the knowledge about contents of my pockets.

and I have been with so many who dont watch, dont care what they got till soomeone wisps to them

and and some trials we have so much loots because of additional chests it will be to much spam to link every item you have to show what you dont need

like I myselft I dont want to link all items because they are to many for single message and of someone wisps to me even in mid trial I have no problem, I know that item wont be just wasted if someone currently was tracking it as someone need this, thanks ths we dont need to have spam on group chat later and have even bigger problem to watch, control what drops who got to share

If one dd has supicions that the other dd is barely doing anyhting in a dungeon, he can just stop doing damage for a few seconds and see how slowly the enemy healthbars drop to know if he's carrying the other guy. You don't need an addon for that, but even if the other person doesn't have that dps addon installed while you do, you can still see your own percentage of the damage done so you'll know if the other person is slacking without seeing their numbers, but it's easier to hide bad dps in trials.

I agree... access should be limited. I don't want people taking a look at everything I do.

But what bugs me the most the that there're addons that let people see our drops. Like I was DGing with a group and then someone asked if I could give them the Epic Spellpower Cure Powered Resto Staff I dropped from last boss and I was like WHAT THE ****????

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Ryuvain wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

I agree that tool is not the problem, it's how people use it. I also agree with those who think those things should be opt-in.

There are runs where the whole group wants to know their stats and dps to optimize, or wants to see the loot for a whole group for easier picking. But if a random nobody asks me "do you need this <item that just dropped>", I'm going to be all like "I need you to keep your nose out of my loot" (no matter how much they are going to pay).

I am genuinely interested in why it's so important for you that people "keep their noses out". Not trying to be rude, I just want to know why people are so private about something that, for me, doesn't seem to mean anything at all.

Everyone keeps throwing the "privacy" argument which, for me, seems like some generic argument no one can specify. What's private with a gear drop in a game?

Same reason you can't tell people how to decorate their house. Their property.

What happens when somebody tells you how to decorate your house? If you don't like it you'll just tell them "what I do with my property is none of your business".
What happens when somebody tells you to give him an item you've dropped and have it in your inventory? If you don't want to give anything you'll just tell them "what I do with my property is none of your business".

So, I can't see the reasoning for wanting loot addon disabled.

Again, this isn't a base game thing. If they ask in chat thats completely fine, but since they can see everything that drops they get more ammo for whatever they want to blame on you. And that's not even your fault since you can't do anything to opt out of it. Let's say you're mid-dungeon and get a rare drop:

"Hey I need that."
"No. I need it too."
*proceeds to kick them for having YOUR item apparently*

Stuff like that will always happen when you give them opportunities. They could also pester you until you eventually put them on ignore. But why does all this happen? Due to an addon that snoops your inventory which doesn't require you to run the same addon. Everyone's drops are fair game apparently.

Athan1 wrote: »

Add-ons are helpful but also a curse at times. The add-ons that some players use to spy on other players stats, dps, loot etc, are very creepy and I wish they'd stop. Of course, the greedy elitist players that use them will not stop, but I just wanted to get the thought out there.

It's an intrusion and violation of players' privacy to peep into their build and inventory. Players should be able to share whatever information they want, if they want, and I wish ZoS would ban these add-ons. It's weird, rude, and creepy when players kick someone for measuring their dps using add-ons or ask for items that they know someone received. Like the other day a pug member asked me to open my coffer so they can see if I got the skin they wanted! What is wrong with people?!

Frankly I'm surprised this has not been punished so far because this is a violation of the game's privacy policy, they access and distribute private information. Does anyone know if ZoS has ever made a statement about this? Would reporting the add-ons help ban them?

who hurt u

Athan1 wrote: »

Add-ons are helpful but also a curse at times. The add-ons that some players use to spy on other players stats, dps, loot etc, are very creepy and I wish they'd stop. Of course, the greedy elitist players that use them will not stop, but I just wanted to get the thought out there.

It's an intrusion and violation of players' privacy to peep into their build and inventory. Players should be able to share whatever information they want, if they want, and I wish ZoS would ban these add-ons. It's weird, rude, and creepy when players kick someone for measuring their dps using add-ons or ask for items that they know someone received. Like the other day a pug member asked me to open my coffer so they can see if I got the skin they wanted! What is wrong with people?!

Frankly I'm surprised this has not been punished so far because this is a violation of the game's privacy policy, they access and distribute private information. Does anyone know if ZoS has ever made a statement about this? Would reporting the add-ons help ban them?

to paraphrase a quote from Princess Bride, I don't think 'private' means what you think it means.

Your IRL name, address, credit card and other details of that sort are covered under the Zenimax privacy policy. Your character game details are not.

Also, group dmg share addons have been blocked by ZoS, what you are referring to when players use an addon to estimate other party member's dps is something like CMX which only tracks your personal dps - but it does show the total group dps as well. Subtract your dps from group, and you have decent estimate of what other dps is doing. That too is not a privacy invasion.

On the loot drop, I'll concede you may have a point, not because it is some presumed privacy policy lapse, but because it's just rude to ask a player for loot they didn't freely offer first. But that is also not an addon fault, that is ZoS making that open information - they could close that anytime they wish. Don't blame 'elitist' players for using a function ZoS handed them.

Similarly, even without addons, ZoS has given us encounter logging which players can opt out of, but still show overall player and group dmg, buffs, etc details, and estimate even those who opt out by inference/estimate. What you call privacy is simple observation - if you played IRL team paintball, it's not like we can't see exactly what gear you are wearing and whether you played well or not.

TLDR - you are basically complainig about whether people can use their own eyes and determine whether you perform well or not. Participation trophy generation at work.

Gear, stat, and dps sharing addons I actively like and want. Tbh I think the issue with loot addons is that the vanilla game doesn't have the feature; not the feature itself. I know another MMO that has essentially a loot addon built into the vanilla game, making the idea of sharing/trading loot a common occurrance, with no sense of ''this is my loot and that's your loot.''

The only annoyance of loot sharing in ESO for me is that not everyone uses the addon. In my experience with pug runs, loot isn't posted until the end if it's posted at all. For ex. if I get a drop, the person with the addon can technically ask me before someone else even knows I got it. I give away drops based on who PMs me first after I post them at the end, because it seems like the fairest way to do it generally if multiple people want the same drop. This issue makes me want base game loot sharing though, not want it banned.

Players should be able to exclude their data from being shared with others. It is not the business of other players what CP level I am, what gear I wear, what skills I use, or what dropped for me from bosses.

Personally I want my private stuff to be private!

Not a fan of the loot spying add ons.
hate getting tons of whispers for things before I have a chance to see what I've got.

Performance information does not bother me that people can see.
because if people get the idea that you are trash no amount of data is going to change their mind of their belief.

AyaDark wrote: »

Scardan wrote: »

What is there to argue at all. The fact that someone is looking through your inventory does not make you worse. So there is nothing to ban them for.

Banning just out of principle, because my inventory is my own business? I find it silly for the reason stated above.

Why do not you than share information about you credit card and when some one use it, stay at home, by telling nothing to police ?

Ah... the old appeal to the extremes fallacy.

You can't seriously be comparing your credit card information to the drops you get in a video game... It's arguments like this that make your entire premise able to be disregarded.

iksde wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

mocap wrote: »

loot spy addon in PUG dungeons are kinda sorta bad thing. But in PUG trials is essential when you trying to farm something.

It's not essential. If you want something - ask if anyone has it, I haven't seen a single trial PUG where most of the group didn't take a bit of time to share the loot.
Your farming doesn't make you entitled to the knowledge about contents of my pockets.

and I have been with so many who dont watch, dont care what they got till soomeone wisps to them

and and some trials we have so much loots because of additional chests it will be to much spam to link every item you have to show what you dont need

like I myselft I dont want to link all items because they are to many for single message and of someone wisps to me even in mid trial I have no problem, I know that item wont be just wasted if someone currently was tracking it as someone need this, thanks ths we dont need to have spam on group chat later and have even bigger problem to watch, control what drops who got to share

This is true, however if some don't call out the item as many don't do unfortunately offer to pay for it.

Aren't these statistics inherently built into the game, which is the only reason why the add-ons can utilize the information and display it to you? OP's essentially asking for ZOS to ban their own information and logs?

Anyways, if you're self conscious about your DPS displayed from logs and add-ons, just uh, ya know, do better.

As for loot logs, if someone whispers you for an item that you received, either say "yeah you can have it" or "no". What's the worse that can happen, they get mad and whisper you back so you can report them for toxicity?