My struggles with eso guild system & guilds, share yours (or not).

Recent · December 2020

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

The only issue I've experienced related to guild membership being by account rather than by character is that I once joined a guild dedicated to a particular race (Argonians), and later found myself kicked from that guild without explanation or notice, presumably because the guild had a requirement that members belong to a particular alliance (Ebonheart Pact), and several of my characters on that server belong to the other two alliances.

That isn't the only guild I'm a member of that has a requirement about belonging to one alliance or another, but it's the only one I've ever been kicked from due to having other characters of the "wrong" alliances-- if that's even why I was kicked; as I said, it was done without explanation or notice, so I'm not even sure when it occurred, let alone why, and didn't even notice I'd been kicked until I decided to deposit some spare recipes in the guild's bank for other members to use.

To be honest, I don't have an issue with that type of requirement. The only reason I had an issue with being kicked without explanation or notice is because I was already a member of five guilds when I received an invitation out of the blue to join this other guild, so I had to drop out of one of my existing five guilds to be able to join this other guild-- and frankly, the only reason I decided to join this other guild was because I figured it had probably just been formed by someone and I thought it would be a nice gesture on my part to help them grow their new guild. If I'd taken a moment to read the guild's MOTD before joining, I'd have seen the requirement about belonging to the Ebonheart Pact, at which point I could have asked the person who'd invited me whether it was okay to have characters belonging to the other two alliances as well. So ultimately it was all on me, but it still left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth.

Thank you for sharing. I think it was extremely unfair of tyem to kick you? It's their recruitng that is flawed...ideally they would ask what faction someone belongs to before inviting them. I'm going solo for a while, i dont like guilds in eso at all...apart from sometimes meeting a nice person here or there, I never form long lasting friendships....it was different in other games.

SeaGtGruff · December 2020

It bothered me for a second, but it wasn't important enough to me to be upset for any longer than the initial WTF?

I hadn't been an active participant in the guild-- nor, for that matter, in the guild I dropped so I could join the one that ended up kicking me out anyway-- so in the end they lost out more than I did, since I had decided to start depositing my unused recipes and blueprints and motifs into the guild's bank account for other members to use as needed.

So now I'm giving those recipes and such to one of the other guilds I belong to, as well as making voluntary weekly deposits of gold that weren't asked for.

The only reason I mentioned the experience was because it related to the question of whether guild membership should be by account or by character-- and I'm happy with it being by account.

rpa · December 2020

Not being a guild organizer type myself is the main problem I have. Running a guild is something I can't help with. Haven't found myself in a dead husk of a guild yet in this game but have experienced it elsewhere.

Narvuntien · December 2020

5 guild limit sucks.
I have a trading guild I have been in since I started and it was the first guild I ever clicked with but they haven't won a guild bid all year and I don't want to leave them.

But thankfully for some reason, my PVP guild has won trader bids (in a random location) the last three weeks and I have made 500K selling all these things I had hoarded (Listed for 1 month in dead guild then in my mail for 1 month) for the purposes of selling at some point.

My Three PVE guilds are super chill, why did you join such a hardcore guild?, they run like normal trials on the weekends.

Synthwavius · December 2020

My biggest struggle since the very beginning was that even the "social" guilds have their circle jerk of 20 or so active players and don't care about 10th new person that joined the guild. I find it very ironic that I've never had any problem socializing in "toxic" games and I do in ESO lol.

DragonRacer · December 2020

Recent wrote: »

DragonRacer wrote: »

Nobody is forcing you to look at the meme and pet picture channel on a guild Discord, which is usually a mix of game-related helpful channels and, heaven forbid, some off-topic social channels. If they bother you that badly, mute the offending channels.

Lol the guildies all get clicky over cats and dis you if you are a dog person

Then I'd bounce and find another guild. The pet channel on the 4 guild Discords I'm in have cats, dogs, kids, birds, snakes. Nobody gives anyone crap about it.

As in all things in life: "your mileage may vary". Just seems weird to seemingly paint a broad brush over all guilds in here, but I suppose that's what the Internet is for...

General_Zeranth · December 2020

My biggest issue with guilds is that often there's that one person who slings insults and calls you terrible names and just expects you to take it. The guild leader won't tell them to stop, other players tell you to grow a thicker skin. I've left so many guilds because of this only to find another guild and have the process repeat so often that I've grown weary of it.

Nothing like a random, usually drunk or high, player slinging words that would make a sailor blush and being expected to take the abuse and move on.

furiouslog · December 2020

General_Zeranth wrote: »

My biggest issue with guilds is that often there's that one person who slings insults and calls you terrible names and just expects you to take it. The guild leader won't tell them to stop, other players tell you to grow a thicker skin. I've left so many guilds because of this only to find another guild and have the process repeat so often that I've grown weary of it.

Nothing like a random, usually drunk or high, player slinging words that would make a sailor blush and being expected to take the abuse and move on.

That's completely unacceptable in our guild.

Jeirno · December 2020

Recent wrote: »

Meme channel...what, are you all 2 yrs old?

What, are you a boomer? Can't people have fun in their discord sharing funny stuff?

Jeirno · December 2020

Jeirno wrote: »

Recent wrote: »

Meme channel...what, are you all 2 yrs old?

What, are you a boomer? Can't people have fun in their discord sharing funny stuff?

Inaya · December 2020

General_Zeranth wrote: »

My biggest issue with guilds is that often there's that one person who slings insults and calls you terrible names and just expects you to take it. The guild leader won't tell them to stop, other players tell you to grow a thicker skin. I've left so many guilds because of this only to find another guild and have the process repeat so often that I've grown weary of it.

Nothing like a random, usually drunk or high, player slinging words that would make a sailor blush and being expected to take the abuse and move on.

One warning then a boot and ban. We don't want those kinds of people in our guild.

While we don't allow politics, religion, racial slurs, sexual slurs or insulting your guildies in guild chat we have no profanity rule, no rule against sexual innuendos, jokes, etc.. We are all adults.

Our discord does have a pet channel and there are dogs, cats, pigs, geese, ducks, horses, cows, snakes... you get the idea.

Do you have any clue how long and how much gold it takes to outfit the ghall with crafting tables? I do, I ran around and attuned them all. Oh and then there is outright buying a house for the guild hall, as well as all the other furnishings. And mumdus stone, training dummies... Three of us founded the guild and are gms, we also have 2 officers who are founding members who spend combined near 40 hours a week on guild business. One officer writes addons to streamline management and it does save time.

Successful guilds do not have GM's that sit around or take advantage of people.

General_Zeranth · December 2020

@Inaya
I'm not sure why you are telling me rather forcefully, at least that's how I'm reading it, about how hard it is to start, outfit, and run a guild since my post had nothing to do with that...
I'm perfectly aware of how hard it is. I agree that GM's do a fair amount of work for their guilds but even the fully kitted out and "high quality" guilds I've run into, some that have multiple versions or sister guilds, have these people that feel that verbal abuse is perfectly acceptable, and I'm not talking about adult humor at all.
Yes we are all adults here, or at least mostly are adults, and every single time I've been insulted and abused verbally over my mental disabilities or the fact that I'm female and have a deeper voice and the GM just shuffled me off to the side and quietly asked ME to leave because they needed the other person and they were good for the guild.

From MY experience I've seen and dealt with a lot of toxic behavior in the "successful" guilds I've joined on Xbox One. I'm not naming any guild names, nor people for the naming and shaming rules, but from personal experience I know not all successful guilds are good guilds nor do they house good people all the time.

Inaya · December 2020

General_Zeranth wrote: »

@Inaya
I'm not sure why you are telling me rather forcefully, at least that's how I'm reading it, about how hard it is to start, outfit, and run a guild since my post had nothing to do with that...
I'm perfectly aware of how hard it is. I agree that GM's do a fair amount of work for their guilds but even the fully kitted out and "high quality" guilds I've run into, some that have multiple versions or sister guilds, have these people that feel that verbal abuse is perfectly acceptable, and I'm not talking about adult humor at all.
Yes we are all adults here, or at least mostly are adults, and every single time I've been insulted and abused verbally over my mental disabilities or the fact that I'm female and have a deeper voice and the GM just shuffled me off to the side and quietly asked ME to leave because they needed the other person and they were good for the guild.

From MY experience I've seen and dealt with a lot of toxic behavior in the "successful" guilds I've joined on Xbox One. I'm not naming any guild names, nor people for the naming and shaming rules, but from personal experience I know not all successful guilds are good guilds nor do they house good people all the time.

Not being forceful in the least. If you were treated like that in my guild there would be hell to pay for the members that did it right before they were booted and banned, tho our members would't do that.

Yes we sling words that would make a sailor blush but not AT each other.

I don't know about guild culture on XBox but if it's like that I'm glad I'm on PCNA.

Muttsmutt · December 2020

Recent wrote: »

Cat freaking pics OMG

mate, are you alright?
here you are, on a digital forum, seemingly upset over cat pictures.
mate. buddy. friend. amigo. hombre. fella.
calm down.
take a walk.
relax.
it's gonna be alright.

Rehdaun · December 2020

My biggest problem is with guilds where the officer team is biased toward selecting specific people, more often then not their good buddies, for activities all the time, while the rest of the guild has little to no opportunity to participate. I'm not talking about open ended activities such as skyshards and lorebooks but limited signup events such as 4-man dungeons progs for skins and titles. To compound the frustration that same officer team refuses to allow group events in their guild that does not include at least one of the officer team. That leaves a dead guild spot for those that are "left out in the cold" because they aren't part of the officer clique. For those in that situation my suggest is to GTFO as soon as you can. There are many other guilds that are more friendly toward their members. Those are the guilds you want to be in!

VaxtinTheWolf · December 2020

I haven't left Guild 1 and Guild 2 which are both basically dead slots because then it would shift Guilds 3-5 up in position and I can't manually reorder anything to keep them where I've gotten so used to them being over the years.

sarahthes · December 2020

Rehdaun wrote: »

My biggest problem is with guilds where the officer team is biased toward selecting specific people, more often then not their good buddies, for activities all the time, while the rest of the guild has little to no opportunity to participate. I'm not talking about open ended activities such as skyshards and lorebooks but limited signup events such as 4-man dungeons progs for skins and titles. To compound the frustration that same officer team refuses to allow group events in their guild that does not include at least one of the officer team. That leaves a dead guild spot for those that are "left out in the cold" because they aren't part of the officer clique. For those in that situation my suggest is to GTFO as soon as you can. There are many other guilds that are more friendly toward their members. Those are the guilds you want to be in!

The dungeon thing just sounds like people doing stuff with their friends. I don't think that's unacceptable. Find 2-3 people you really click with and do dungeon achievements with them instead, don't expect a group to be made for you.

Elvenheart · December 2020

Xuhora wrote: »

I struggle with the fact that I cannot chose in which slot a guild is. Sounds like a weird problem I know, but the thing is, everytime my “passive” guilds, (slot 3-5) change I have to redo the different chatcolours. And this happens pretty frequent tbh, no one to blame about that.

This has been my only problem with guilds. And contrary to the OP’s assumption that people who have cats only have them because we are too lazy to walk a dog, I have cats because I really like cats. I like dogs, too, most animals really, but cats are simply my favorite. While it does my heart good to hear that there are so many guilds full of cat people, I’m sure if you tried hard enough you could find a guild full of dog people - or bird people, or rabbit people, or snake people, or even clown people! 🐈‍⬛ 🐩 🦅 🐇 🐍 🤡

Rehdaun · December 2020

sarahthes wrote: »

Rehdaun wrote: »

My biggest problem is with guilds where the officer team is biased toward selecting specific people, more often then not their good buddies, for activities all the time, while the rest of the guild has little to no opportunity to participate. I'm not talking about open ended activities such as skyshards and lorebooks but limited signup events such as 4-man dungeons progs for skins and titles. To compound the frustration that same officer team refuses to allow group events in their guild that does not include at least one of the officer team. That leaves a dead guild spot for those that are "left out in the cold" because they aren't part of the officer clique. For those in that situation my suggest is to GTFO as soon as you can. There are many other guilds that are more friendly toward their members. Those are the guilds you want to be in!

The dungeon thing just sounds like people doing stuff with their friends. I don't think that's unacceptable. Find 2-3 people you really click with and do dungeon achievements with them instead, don't expect a group to be made for you.

What got me was the guild was designed to be a dungeon skin/title guild. It's purpose was to gather four members together to run this content. Only that most or all of the slots were pre-filled with the officers and their best friends when the rosters went up, leaving little to no opportunity for anyone else. And yes, I found friends to run and also a new guild where the officer team wasn't a clique. My point was don't stick around when you get into a cliquey guild. Get out and find one that's more friendly. There are one's out there.

Elvenheart · December 2020

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

The only issue I've experienced related to guild membership being by account rather than by character is that I once joined a guild dedicated to a particular race (Argonians), and later found myself kicked from that guild without explanation or notice, presumably because the guild had a requirement that members belong to a particular alliance (Ebonheart Pact), and several of my characters on that server belong to the other two alliances.

That isn't the only guild I'm a member of that has a requirement about belonging to one alliance or another, but it's the only one I've ever been kicked from due to having other characters of the "wrong" alliances-- if that's even why I was kicked; as I said, it was done without explanation or notice, so I'm not even sure when it occurred, let alone why, and didn't even notice I'd been kicked until I decided to deposit some spare recipes in the guild's bank for other members to use.

To be honest, I don't have an issue with that type of requirement. The only reason I had an issue with being kicked without explanation or notice is because I was already a member of five guilds when I received an invitation out of the blue to join this other guild, so I had to drop out of one of my existing five guilds to be able to join this other guild-- and frankly, the only reason I decided to join this other guild was because I figured it had probably just been formed by someone and I thought it would be a nice gesture on my part to help them grow their new guild. If I'd taken a moment to read the guild's MOTD before joining, I'd have seen the requirement about belonging to the Ebonheart Pact, at which point I could have asked the person who'd invited me whether it was okay to have characters belonging to the other two alliances as well. So ultimately it was all on me, but it still left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth.

One time, I logged on to notice I had been kicked from a guild. It was really surprising because there was simply no reason I could think of for it to happen. The next day I got an in game mail from another guild member who explained that one of the guildies is who had controls had gone rogue and just randomly kicked a bunch of members out for spite. They apologized and reinvited me. I’m still meaning to fix the colors of the chat because this reordered my guild list 🤣

Elvenheart · December 2020

This has really nothing to do with this subject, but since the topic was brought up I just thought I’d share this. I was raised on a farm and we had lots of dogs and typical farm animals but no cats. I became a “cat person” when as a small child I was walking home and while walking past a neighboring farm I was adopted by a cat that followed me home and decided it wanted to live with me 🙂

Inaya · December 2020

Elvenheart wrote: »

This has really nothing to do with this subject, but since the topic was brought up I just thought I’d share this. I was raised on a farm and we had lots of dogs and typical farm animals but no cats. I became a “cat person” when as a small child I was walking home and while walking past a neighboring farm I was adopted by a cat that followed me home and decided it wanted to live with me 🙂

I always had dogs growing up and then I rescued a cat from the kill list at our shelter. I learned to speak cat, which is a whole different language (if you cats you know this) and realized that he rescued me just as much as I rescued him.

I also rescued a 6 week old puppy who had been tossed out onto the street. He is now 2 years old and 100+ pounds but the sweetest most gentle creature you ever wanted to meet.

agegarton · December 2020

I have two main issues with the guild system in general:-

1. A limit of 5 guilds isn't enough. One more would be nice.
2. There are just no guild management tools built into the game, and that sucks.

There are minor issues too - I want to be able to reorder my guilds so I choose which is in position number 1, for example.

I totally appreciate the comments made by the OP, however I'd argue you're in some of the wrong guilds. There are guilds out there that are well managed, run for the benefit of the community, and offer a lot to players.

Inaya · December 2020

agegarton wrote: »

I have two main issues with the guild system in general:-

1. A limit of 5 guilds isn't enough. One more would be nice.
2. There are just no guild management tools built into the game, and that sucks.

There are minor issues too - I want to be able to reorder my guilds so I choose which is in position number 1, for example.

I totally appreciate the comments made by the OP, however I'd argue you're in some of the wrong guilds. There are guilds out there that are well managed, run for the benefit of the community, and offer a lot to players.

1. I'm happy with 5 guilds myself.

2. Guild management tools don't exist and it makes things much harder than they need to be.

3. Every day I wish I could organize my guilds into an order I choose!!

furiouslog · December 2020

Rehdaun wrote: »

My biggest problem is with guilds where the officer team is biased toward selecting specific people, more often then not their good buddies, for activities all the time, while the rest of the guild has little to no opportunity to participate. I'm not talking about open ended activities such as skyshards and lorebooks but limited signup events such as 4-man dungeons progs for skins and titles. To compound the frustration that same officer team refuses to allow group events in their guild that does not include at least one of the officer team. That leaves a dead guild spot for those that are "left out in the cold" because they aren't part of the officer clique. For those in that situation my suggest is to GTFO as soon as you can. There are many other guilds that are more friendly toward their members. Those are the guilds you want to be in!

When you are doing harder content, people will select their buddies and/or players known to be valuable contributors. I think that's okay. It can take a while to build up personal relationships in this environment such that you're willing find 3 other people to wipe repeatedly on Fang Lair HM for a few hours to master the mechanics. That extends to trials as well. If you don't have a pool of competent people who are ready for vet trials, they aren't going to clear.

However, it's weird that they aren't opening the door for someone who wants to run an event on their own. We are actually looking for those people. We want them in our guild.

Nord_Raseri · December 2020

End game guilds requiring Discord. On ps4. I have a ps4, no computer, and a land line. Discord is not in my deck of cards.

Rehdaun · December 2020

furiouslog wrote: »

However, it's weird that they aren't opening the door for someone who wants to run an event on their own. We are actually looking for those people. We want them in our guild.

it's good to hear that not all guilds are run by jerks. As I mentioned i did find a guild that is quite inviting, friendly and less controlling. One where I'm able to complete achievements. One that isn't cliquish. For those of you out there that are stuck in loser guilds, get out as fast as you can and find a better one.

nukk3r · December 2020

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

End game guilds requiring Discord. On ps4. I have a ps4, no computer, and a land line. Discord is not in my deck of cards.

Do you have a smartphone? Discord is available as a mobile app.

Kwoung · December 2020

Rehdaun wrote: »

furiouslog wrote: »

However, it's weird that they aren't opening the door for someone who wants to run an event on their own. We are actually looking for those people. We want them in our guild.

it's good to hear that not all guilds are run by jerks. As I mentioned i did find a guild that is quite inviting, friendly and less controlling. One where I'm able to complete achievements. One that isn't cliquish. For those of you out there that are stuck in loser guilds, get out as fast as you can and find a better one.

Great advice! I consider myself lucky, as while yes I have been in guilds that don't fit my style, thus left, I have never been in a toxic or cliquie guild. I mentioned it above, but maybe players should actually read the guild recruitment message before clicking apply instead of just spamming the first 5 guilds that popped up. It will actually take some time and work to read them, but you will most likely end up with a guild you feel comfortable and fit in for your efforts.

SickleCider · December 2020

You sound like a cat hater which means I'm honor bound to hate everything you say. 😾