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I ran random vet dungeons 12 times this weekend...
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And 11 out of 12 times it was a DLC dungeon. We got the clear the majority of the time, and had more good groups than bad.
I’ve always been a proponent of “random is random”, but I have to admit at this point that things are ridiculous. Queuing for a dungeon has an absurdly high likelihood to be a difficult DLC, and the odds increase as 4 new DLC dungeons get added each year.
I’ve always been a proponent of “random is random”, but I have to admit at this point that things are ridiculous. Queuing for a dungeon has an absurdly high likelihood to be a difficult DLC, and the odds increase as 4 new DLC dungeons get added each year.
Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche
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Faiza✭✭✭✭✭So last night I was on my lvl 47 healing sorc alt, and usually I don't queue randomly but go with my guild. Well last night we had an odd number of healers and most wanted to do vet pledges anyway, so I just queued by myself...
I thought, I'll just do a quick random normal to get up to lvl 50 and equip this nice gear that I crafted.
Got Unhallowed Grave, not once but twice in a row lol. 😑
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Malkiv✭✭✭✭✭I honestly love running most of the vDLC, but I hate when I get any really long vets like DOM, Maars, or FL.PC-NA | PvP (Gray Host & BGs) | PvE (vTrials & vDGs)1 -
amm7sb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭So it just means that you can't sleep walk your way through Spindle 1 for your random dailies and actually have to play the game?7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »So it just means that you can't sleep walk your way through Spindle 1 for your random dailies and actually have to play the game?
Actually, i think it means you completely missed the point of this thread ...
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✭✭✭✭✭I've been doing 1 or 2 random a day, just to fill the sticker book. I did notice that most dungeons tend to be for DLC.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Gotta agree with said observation, I feel like all my randoms are dlcs.
However, I always assumed the system did like:
1 player queued for Unhallowed (example) and so it paired 3 randoms with the 1 specific. I feel like the DLCs come up a lot because someone has picked it over a norm6 -
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✭✭✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »So it just means that you can't sleep walk your way through Spindle 1 for your random dailies and actually have to play the game?
It's ridiculous to get DLC after DLC after DLC... a few weeks ago I got Lair of Maarselok literally five times in a row for my random normals. Then Moongrave Fane, then LoM AGAIN, and then MF AGAIN. The craziest thing was that neither were pledges. And no one seems to have queued in to that dungeon specifically for gear; no one is ever looking for anything. It's like the game knows that I cannot stand any of the Elsweyr content.
I've started to just leave if I get LoM or MF. I can't take it any longer. I guess it's just REALLY bad RNG, but it's getting ridiculous.5 -
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And that many don't have the DLC or not up for an vet dlc so they drop out and the random replace them.And 11 out of 12 times it was a DLC dungeon. We got the clear the majority of the time, and had more good groups than bad.
I’ve always been a proponent of “random is random”, but I have to admit at this point that things are ridiculous. Queuing for a dungeon has an absurdly high likelihood to be a difficult DLC, and the odds increase as 4 new DLC dungeons get added each year.
Happy you had so many good runs. Hint this might be an good place to farm good players
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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✭Two Days ago my level 250-ish EU character got Bloodroot Forge as the random. It was my first time, so I stated it in chat, and it went surprisingly smoothly! Today, they got Frostvault - another first... and after telling the group it was my first time, we did it close to flawlessly.
Thanks to some fun & patient EU peeps!
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Faiza✭✭✭✭✭ShawnLaRock wrote: »Two Days ago my level 250-ish EU character got Bloodroot Forge as the random. It was my first time, so I stated it in chat, and it went surprisingly smoothly! Today, they got Frostvault - another first... and after telling the group it was my first time, we did it close to flawlessly.
Thanks to some fun & patient EU peeps!
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I had this experience in both Moon Hunter Keep and...my memory fails me, the one where the spider boss separates your group in the dark and you have to run back to her.
There good pugs out there, but I still do think there should be more balance in your chances to get DLC or not.1 -
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✭Almost half of my random normal dungeons are Frostvault with the occasional Stone Garden and Moongrave Fane. I almost never get a base game dungeon for a random. What makes it worse is that i'm usually on a healer so if the dds are just heavy attackers/spammers, it'll be a while. At least on a dps I can do most of the damage while they do backflips or whatever.Xbox NA healer main
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✭✭With my Warden tank during the Undaunted event, I did 'random normals' daily.
Three days in a row just with that specific character I got Cradle of Shadows (Velidreth) as my 'random normal.'
First time I was new to the dungeon. By the third time, I led a group of first-timers through without a single wipe.
And inexplicably, one of the party members was level 15 which most people assumed wouldn't be able to get a DLC as their random.PC NA0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭They simply need to put a toggle for DLC dungeons in the top of group finder. If not checked, you dont get one. If checked, you might.
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✭✭✭✭✭And 11 out of 12 times it was a DLC dungeon. We got the clear the majority of the time, and had more good groups than bad.
I’ve always been a proponent of “random is random”, but I have to admit at this point that things are ridiculous. Queuing for a dungeon has an absurdly high likelihood to be a difficult DLC, and the odds increase as 4 new DLC dungeons get added each year.
Are you queueing for a full group or partial? Because "random" only means you get grouped with someone who is looking for a specific dungeon if you don't start with a full group.Waffennacht wrote: »Gotta agree with said observation, I feel like all my randoms are dlcs.
However, I always assumed the system did like:
1 player queued for Unhallowed (example) and so it paired 3 randoms with the 1 specific. I feel like the DLCs come up a lot because someone has picked it over a norm
Pretty much.
If I need gear from say, Scalecaller and I queue for it on my tank or healer, the queue will pick up 3 members to fill my group. It's going to first look for anyone who's also queued for Scalecaller, but if there's nobody, it picks the randoms.
THAT'S THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF THE RANDOM QUEUE.SidraWillowsky wrote: »amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »So it just means that you can't sleep walk your way through Spindle 1 for your random dailies and actually have to play the game?
It's ridiculous to get DLC after DLC after DLC... a few weeks ago I got Lair of Maarselok literally five times in a row for my random normals. Then Moongrave Fane, then LoM AGAIN, and then MF AGAIN. The craziest thing was that neither were pledges. And no one seems to have queued in to that dungeon specifically for gear; no one is ever looking for anything. It's like the game knows that I cannot stand any of the Elsweyr content.
I've started to just leave if I get LoM or MF. I can't take it any longer. I guess it's just REALLY bad RNG, but it's getting ridiculous.
It was either the pledge, or someone was farming for gear. Moongrave Fane has a sought-after healer set.Edited by AlnilamE on December 14, 2020 9:03PMThe Moot Councillor0 -
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✭SidraWillowsky wrote: »amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »So it just means that you can't sleep walk your way through Spindle 1 for your random dailies and actually have to play the game?
It's ridiculous to get DLC after DLC after DLC...
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✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »They simply need to put a toggle for DLC dungeons in the top of group finder. If not checked, you dont get one. If checked, you might.
Then those who do DLC randoms deserve bigger rewards.Edited by amm7sb14_ESO on December 14, 2020 9:27PM6 -
Zulera301✭✭✭✭✭I know that the "random" dungeon finder puts people in specific dungeons that other people are queuing for, but yeah it gives DLCs 19 times out of 20 in my experience.
sorry random schmuck queuing for Frostvault or Fang Lair on a non-pledge day during the Undaunted Event. you're gonna have to wait a bit longer for your tank cuz Im just here for the tickets and goodie boxes and I don't feel guilty at all for bailing on you.Shortly after the formation of the Ebonheart Pact, a Nord woman was given a tour of the Tribunal Temple. When later asked about the experience, she seemed upset. Suffice to say, the Dunmer were not pleased to hear this, and thus they inquired further.
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✭I know that the "random" dungeon finder puts people in specific dungeons that other people are queuing for, but yeah it gives DLCs 19 times out of 20 in my experience.
sorry random schmuck queuing for Frostvault or Fang Lair on a non-pledge day during the Undaunted Event. you're gonna have to wait a bit longer for your tank cuz Im just here for the tickets and goodie boxes and I don't feel guilty at all for bailing on you.
Exactly my point:
"So it just means that you can't sleep walk your way through Spindle 1 for your random dailies and actually have to play the game?"2 -
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✭✭✭The best are the DLC Roulette as Xynode calls them.
Click only the DLC Vet dungeons and que for pug. Quite fun actually. See which one you get.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭And 11 out of 12 times it was a DLC dungeon. We got the clear the majority of the time, and had more good groups than bad.
I’ve always been a proponent of “random is random”, but I have to admit at this point that things are ridiculous. Queuing for a dungeon has an absurdly high likelihood to be a difficult DLC, and the odds increase as 4 new DLC dungeons get added each year.
Are you queueing for a full group or partial? Because "random" only means you get grouped with someone who is looking for a specific dungeon if you don't start with a full group.
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That’s not true. I queued solo and started asking when I loaded into the instance if the other group members had queued for that dungeon. Almost every time all four of us had queued for a random, all solo. It drops random into DLC instances over 90% of the time.Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It's probably not accurate to call them random as they are often used as fill ins for groups looking for specific dungeons. You'll have a higher chance of getting the dungeons that are pledges as a result. You'll also likely find more DLC's as those are the ones players will queue for. If I have 3 people ready to go for a non DLC, I'll just run with three and skip the wait time in the queue. If it's a DLC, I might want the extra firepower and queue up.1 -
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✭✭SidraWillowsky wrote: »amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »So it just means that you can't sleep walk your way through Spindle 1 for your random dailies and actually have to play the game?
It's ridiculous to get DLC after DLC after DLC... a few weeks ago I got Lair of Maarselok literally five times in a row for my random normals. Then Moongrave Fane, then LoM AGAIN, and then MF AGAIN. The craziest thing was that neither were pledges. And no one seems to have queued in to that dungeon specifically for gear; no one is ever looking for anything. It's like the game knows that I cannot stand any of the Elsweyr content.
I've started to just leave if I get LoM or MF. I can't take it any longer. I guess it's just REALLY bad RNG, but it's getting ridiculous.
I always specifically ask at the start if anyone is looking for anything, just in case they are queuing in for gear but just assuming a pug isn't going to give them their drops. Most of the time that usually makes anyone farming pipe up.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I know that the "random" dungeon finder puts people in specific dungeons that other people are queuing for, but yeah it gives DLCs 19 times out of 20 in my experience.
sorry random schmuck queuing for Frostvault or Fang Lair on a non-pledge day during the Undaunted Event. you're gonna have to wait a bit longer for your tank cuz Im just here for the tickets and goodie boxes and I don't feel guilty at all for bailing on you.
If you are a tank, why not queue for FG 1 or Spindle 1 and make 3 randoms happy?
I have a guildie who spent his Saturday doing that.The Moot Councillor1 -
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✭✭Update: Today tried 'random normals' with my under-50 healer.
1st: White Gold Tower (new instance)
2nd: Bloodroot Forge (new instance)
3rd: March of Sacrifices (replacement for DC player)PC NA0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭And 11 out of 12 times it was a DLC dungeon. We got the clear the majority of the time, and had more good groups than bad.
I’ve always been a proponent of “random is random”, but I have to admit at this point that things are ridiculous. Queuing for a dungeon has an absurdly high likelihood to be a difficult DLC, and the odds increase as 4 new DLC dungeons get added each year.
I don’t think that it is meant to be completely random unless you queue with a full group or are grouped with others who queued for random. Otherwise, I believe you are paired with people who have queued for specific dungeons. So I would expect pledge dungeons to come up most often but maybe many queue for DLC dungeons for motif pages?
Edit: I see you posted that you asked the other group members and they had queued random solo as well. Then that is odd.Edited by Araneae6537 on December 15, 2020 12:33AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭And 11 out of 12 times it was a DLC dungeon. We got the clear the majority of the time, and had more good groups than bad.
I’ve always been a proponent of “random is random”, but I have to admit at this point that things are ridiculous. Queuing for a dungeon has an absurdly high likelihood to be a difficult DLC, and the odds increase as 4 new DLC dungeons get added each year.
The only time a random dungeon is truly random is when no person in the group selected a specific dungeon. Often there are players that have queued for a specific dungeon and those who queued for a random fill the rest of the group.0 -
eovogtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I love when I get dlc for random vets. It's always a group that's been stuck at a boss for the last hour or so because of low dps, and I come in and we one shot it. The non dlc dungeons on vet are way too easy and trivial because of power creep.Edited by eovogtb16_ESO on December 15, 2020 1:05AM1
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✭Sounds like my Saturday. ICP followed by FV, followed by Maarselok, followed by moongrave, followed by Unhallowed.
Hope you don’t have anything else scheduled today because a random queue like that is gonna take time no matter how good or bad the group is. All of them had at least 1 person bail so we ended up spending time waiting there too. All of the groups ended up being solid with FV being the only rough run because fake tank and fake healer in the same run. DPS was off the chart though 🤣1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »They simply need to put a toggle for DLC dungeons in the top of group finder. If not checked, you dont get one. If checked, you might.
Then those who do DLC randoms deserve bigger rewards.
Umm. They generally get them. Each DLC generally brings more gear that is generally more powerful than before. Also, this is coming from someone that if given the option would almost always check the DLC option. But the reality is that the difference between some DLCs compared to the original dungeons, even on normal, are staggering and DLCS are certainly not for everyone. I think groupfinder would go a heck of a lot smoother if people in DLC dungeons actually want to be there.
I would probably take it even further TBH. Give 3-4 tiers of difficulty that you can queue for as a random. Tier one is going to be places like FG1, Wayrest 1, etc. Tier two might be some of the harder orginals, Tier 3 would be DLC as an example.
Someone with eso + that queues for a random normal the first time and gets a brand new DLC is likely not going to have a great time. Sure, they might get carried along just fine, but chances of that are low.3
