My struggles with eso guild system & guilds, share yours (or not).

Recent · December 2020

Please: If you don't have guild struggles that is great but this post is a space for those of us that do....you can always make your own post about how perfect and wonderful the eso guild system is and how much you love your guilds etc. Thank you kindly.

My BIGGEST struggle is the fact that if you join one guild, all your characters are forced to be in that guild. I get it many players love it, i hate it.
I would love to be able to login to my rp character and not have her be in 4 other guilds for example. I would also love to have a few of my characters not be in guilds at all.

I know you can be offline but its a pain tbh...if i want to do a dungeon i have to remember to go online again etc just one example.

Trading guilds taking advantage of their members YES it is happening a lot and they think we are all too stupid to notice.

Guilds that expect the members to do all the work....why make a guild and expect members to craft for free, recruit, run events while gm sits on his ass while he does absolutely nothing...too many guilds like this.

Guilds asking for vma clears, vdsa clears ...pretty much all vet speed runs and hard mode to have a chance of progressing with them...they offer boring crappy normals runs then spend the whole run flexing about how hard their vet trials are and just chatting among themselves while doing a normal? A lot of the time they get drunk and just be clicky and act like they are doing you a favour by being in their godly presence

I cringe evertime I see a guild recruit they are all just a clone of each other.....it's the absolute copy paste parse, gear, build requirements....
Every freaking guild discord is copy paste of each other

Meme channel...what, are you all 2 yrs old?
Cooking channel cos ya know everyone that plays rpgmmos has to know how to cook....who cares ffs
Cat freaking pics OMG
Every freaking eso player must own a cat? I guess cos they are too lazy to go walk their dog?

Why not keep game guild discord game related...

There is nothing unique just the names and most are starting to copy each other on that too...sad sad sad

sarahthes · December 2020

Sounds like you should start your own guild.

colossalvoids · December 2020

So not much about the guild system apart of RP start but more of issues with other people and how they set their own guilds/discords (which have nothing to do with the game at all).

Easiest solution is to start your own if in your perception others are that flawed.

VaranisArano · December 2020

I don't have a lot of guild issues because I try to pick ones that fit my playstyle. But I have a few.

First off, I hate raffles. Its way too much like gambling for my tastes, and I'm really bad at remembering to donate gold on a weekly basis. As a PC player, this means I stick to trading guilds that have sales requirements for membership.

My oldest trading guild, that was one of my first guilds ever and indirectly responsible for me playing Ebonheart Pact in PVP, got new leadership and eventually went to a raffle-required system to fund its guild trader. I argued against it, but it made the most sense for the guild as a whole, so they decided to go for it.

I left and went to a different trading guild. It sucked, because I had a lot of good memories with that guild, but it really was one of those "its not you, its me" situations. I can't blame them for doing what made the most financial sense, but I really, really don't like required raffles and I'd rather leave a guild than put up with it.

I've also been an officer in a trading guild. I helped out with auction lots and general helpfulness in guild chat. Can I complain about the lack of guild management tools? And I'm on PC - I can't imagine what running a guild is like on Consoles.

JKorr · December 2020

Recent wrote: »

Please: If you don't have guild struggles that is great but this post is a space for those of us that do....you can always make your own post about how perfect and wonderful the eso guild system is and how much you love your guilds etc. Thank you kindly.

My BIGGEST struggle is the fact that if you join one guild, all your characters are forced to be in that guild. I get it many players love it, i hate it.
I would love to be able to login to my rp character and not have her be in 4 other guilds for example. I would also love to have a few of my characters not be in guilds at all.

I know you can be offline but its a pain tbh...if i want to do a dungeon i have to remember to go online again etc just one example.

Trading guilds taking advantage of their members YES it is happening a lot and they tgink we are all too stupid to notice.

Guilds that expect the members to do all the work....why make a guild and expect members to craft for free, recruit, run events while gm sits on his ass while he does absolutely nothing...too many guilds like this.

Guilds asking for vma clears, vdsa clears ...pretty much all vet speed runs and hard mode to have a chance of progressing with them...they offer boring crappy normals runs then spend the whole run flexing about how hard their vet trials are and just chatting among themselves while doing a normal? A lot of the time they get drunk and just be clicky and act like they are doing you a favour by being in their godly presence

I cringe evertime I see a guild recruit they are all just a clone of each other.....it's the absolute copy paste parse, gear, build requirements....
Every freaking guild discord is copy paste of each other

Meme channel...what, are you all 2 yrs old?
Cooking channel cos ya know everyone that plays rpgmmos has to know how to cook....who cares ffs
Cat freaking pics OMG
Every freaking eso player must own a cat? I guess cos they ge too lazy to go walk their dog?

Why not keep game guild discord game related...

There is nothing unique just the names and most are starting to copy each other on that too...sad sad sad

Thank the Divines I don't know of any guilds like the ones you seem to look for. Also thank the Divines I'm not passive/foolish/stupid enough to remain in guilds that would do any of the things you're talking about. My guilds have vet trial events, and "let's learn how to do this" events. Participation is voluntary. They do voluntary pvp things. None of my guilds/gms have ever asked me to craft anything for anyone. I offer to make research items for new crafters and low level gear for guildies because I like crafting and I want to. If I see someone asking questions or asking for help in zone chat I'll answer if I can, and offer to send an invite to one or two of the guilds I belong to, because the guilds are really helpful for new players. Not because my guild master ordered me to recruit.

BlueRaven · December 2020

My only issue with the system is that I sometimes wish I had a sixth guild slot available to me.

Xuhora · December 2020

I struggle with the fact that I cannot chose in which slot a guild is. Sounds like a weird problem I know, but the thing is, everytime my “passive” guilds, (slot 3-5) change I have to redo the different chatcolours. And this happens pretty frequent tbh, no one to blame about that.

zvavi · December 2020

1. you can turn off chat for specific guilds on specific characters.
2. If you don't want to join trade guilds with fees, there are countless social guilds that have a trader. I know at least 6 and I am not well informed (PC EU).
3. Trial prog groups have requirements for progression is a thing, if you have an issue, find another prog group, or create your own. Nor is it easy to gather people to progress.
4. Discords with non game related stuff are usually advertised as social guilds. you know. Where people can socialize. If you don't like them, don't join social guilds. You don't have to attack them calling them childish.

VaranisArano · December 2020

Xuhora wrote: »

I struggle with the fact that I cannot chose in which slot a guild is. Sounds like a weird problem I know, but the thing is, everytime my “passive” guilds, (slot 3-5) change I have to redo the different chatcolours. And this happens pretty frequent tbh, no one to blame about that.

Oooh, good point! I have specific colors so I can tell at a glance if its important (the PVP guild) or general chatter in the trading guild.

I wish there there a setting were I could copy colors across characters too. Unless there is and I've just missed it.

Olupajmibanan · December 2020

My biggest struggle with guilds is that I can't show my guild under my name without ruining my outfit.

DragonRacer · December 2020

Nobody is forcing you to look at the meme and pet picture channel on a guild Discord, which is usually a mix of game-related helpful channels and, heaven forbid, some off-topic social channels. If they bother you that badly, mute the offending channels.

zvavi · December 2020

my biggest straggle is probably leaving inactive guilds i dont use. it makes me feel like a traitor

Inaya · December 2020

Recent wrote: »

Please: If you don't have guild struggles that is great but this post is a space for those of us that do....you can always make your own post about how perfect and wonderful the eso guild system is and how much you love your guilds etc. Thank you kindly.

My BIGGEST struggle is the fact that if you join one guild, all your characters are forced to be in that guild. I get it many players love it, i hate it.
I would love to be able to login to my rp character and not have her be in 4 other guilds for example. I would also love to have a few of my characters not be in guilds at all.

I know you can be offline but its a pain tbh...if i want to do a dungeon i have to remember to go online again etc just one example.

Trading guilds taking advantage of their members YES it is happening a lot and they tgink we are all too stupid to notice.

Guilds that expect the members to do all the work....why make a guild and expect members to craft for free, recruit, run events while gm sits on his ass while he does absolutely nothing...too many guilds like this.

Guilds asking for vma clears, vdsa clears ...pretty much all vet speed runs and hard mode to have a chance of progressing with them...they offer boring crappy normals runs then spend the whole run flexing about how hard their vet trials are and just chatting among themselves while doing a normal? A lot of the time they get drunk and just be clicky and act like they are doing you a favour by being in their godly presence

I cringe evertime I see a guild recruit they are all just a clone of each other.....it's the absolute copy paste parse, gear, build requirements....
Every freaking guild discord is copy paste of each other

Meme channel...what, are you all 2 yrs old?
Cooking channel cos ya know everyone that plays rpgmmos has to know how to cook....who cares ffs
Cat freaking pics OMG
Every freaking eso player must own a cat? I guess cos they ge too lazy to go walk their dog?

Why not keep game guild discord game related...

There is nothing unique just the names and most are starting to copy each other on that too...sad sad sad

I agree each character should have the choice to join or not join.

Not all trading guilds take advantage of their members and I'm not sure how you could since it it absolutely impossible to FORCE anyone to do anything virtually. No one in my guild expects anything from anyone except to be pleasant and not an ass in guildchat or discord.

If you think the GM's of a successful guild that people WANT to be in just sit around and do nothing then you are sadly mistaken. We have all kinds of dungeons and trial runs, mostly normal learning runs but we also do vet runs even with members who have no experience in them. I know, what a concept!!!!

OMG people drink and enjoy themselves? Outrageous in an adult game!

Guild discords are a reflection of their members. Don't look at the channels you have issues with. I've never seen a requirement to own a cat but then have cats, dogs and a bird!

I really feel bad for you if you indeed have had these issues, worse if you haven't and are so upset by what others enjoy. Your generalizations tend to make me think the latter

Faiza · December 2020

When I was a lot newer to the game I spent a lot of time bouncing around between guilds, trying to find one that fit not only my playstyle but was also populated by people I would like with a conversation and flow that was easy to join in.

It is definitely a process, but I'm now in 4 guilds, one that I consider my "main" guild because I'd say that we all know each other and play closely as friends. I'm also in a small housing guild, an Undaunted pledges guild, and a trade guild.

I think finding a trade guild that didn't seem predatory probably took the longest, but I'm very happy with my guild and I think they genuinely look out for their members and have successfully forged a community.

So I guess what I'm saying is that the process just takes time and patience. Not everyone is for everyone you know?

My next quest is to find a pvp oriented guild that doesn't have hours long raid times haha.

I just wanted to edit, to say, I do agree with OP that there are a lot of trade guilds with policies and practices that seem to only benefit officers and not the whole. I've personally witnessed guild "dues" being used to purchase crowns instead of their purported use for a trader.

Kwoung · December 2020

VaranisArano wrote: »

Xuhora wrote: »

I struggle with the fact that I cannot chose in which slot a guild is. Sounds like a weird problem I know, but the thing is, everytime my “passive” guilds, (slot 3-5) change I have to redo the different chatcolours. And this happens pretty frequent tbh, no one to blame about that.

Oooh, good point! I have specific colors so I can tell at a glance if its important (the PVP guild) or general chatter in the trading guild.

I wish there there a setting were I could copy colors across characters too. Unless there is and I've just missed it.

There are numerous addons that will either copy your settings across characters or simply over-ride the default settings with your "account wide" choices, allowing you to do this.

VaranisArano · December 2020

Kwoung wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Xuhora wrote: »

I struggle with the fact that I cannot chose in which slot a guild is. Sounds like a weird problem I know, but the thing is, everytime my “passive” guilds, (slot 3-5) change I have to redo the different chatcolours. And this happens pretty frequent tbh, no one to blame about that.

Oooh, good point! I have specific colors so I can tell at a glance if its important (the PVP guild) or general chatter in the trading guild.

I wish there there a setting were I could copy colors across characters too. Unless there is and I've just missed it.

There are numerous addons that will either copy your settings across characters or simply over-ride the default settings with your "account wide" choices, allowing you to do this.

Thanks. I try to run a light addon load so I was hoping for a base game option. Plus, consoles, and all that.

Oh well, I guess I'll stick to manually setting my PVP guild to purple chat for each new character.

Vevvev · December 2020

My only issue is the 5 slots. I get a little over sentimental with the guilds I'm in and friends want me to join their guilds constantly.

amm7sb14_ESO · December 2020

I felt this thread almost had a point until it basically devolved into being upset at how other people enjoy themselves.

As far as not wanting to engage with specific guilds on specific characters, you can personalize guild chats for each character and disable chats for particular guilds.

HalvarIronfist · December 2020

Recent wrote: »

Please: If you don't have guild struggles that is great but this post is a space for those of us that do....you can always make your own post about how perfect and wonderful the eso guild system is and how much you love your guilds etc. Thank you kindly.

My BIGGEST struggle is the fact that if you join one guild, all your characters are forced to be in that guild. I get it many players love it, i hate it.
I would love to be able to login to my rp character and not have her be in 4 other guilds for example. I would also love to have a few of my characters not be in guilds at all.

I know you can be offline but its a pain tbh...if i want to do a dungeon i have to remember to go online again etc just one example.

Trading guilds taking advantage of their members YES it is happening a lot and they tgink we are all too stupid to notice.

Guilds that expect the members to do all the work....why make a guild and expect members to craft for free, recruit, run events while gm sits on his ass while he does absolutely nothing...too many guilds like this.

Guilds asking for vma clears, vdsa clears ...pretty much all vet speed runs and hard mode to have a chance of progressing with them...they offer boring crappy normals runs then spend the whole run flexing about how hard their vet trials are and just chatting among themselves while doing a normal? A lot of the time they get drunk and just be clicky and act like they are doing you a favour by being in their godly presence

I cringe evertime I see a guild recruit they are all just a clone of each other.....it's the absolute copy paste parse, gear, build requirements....
Every freaking guild discord is copy paste of each other

Meme channel...what, are you all 2 yrs old?
Cooking channel cos ya know everyone that plays rpgmmos has to know how to cook....who cares ffs
Cat freaking pics OMG
Every freaking eso player must own a cat? I guess cos they ge too lazy to go walk their dog?

Why not keep game guild discord game related...

There is nothing unique just the names and most are starting to copy each other on that too...sad sad sad

As a GM, I started my own guild because I wanted to have my own community within ESO. Guild chats are completely color-coded capable, and able to be turned off within your chat options. There's no reason that anyone shouldn't be able to do this.

But seriously, with a GM sitting around doing nothing? I seriously encourage you to found your own guild and see how far you'll get if that is your idea of how guilds work. I'm not stating that I do everything, not at all. I have wonderful staff to my guilds and great members, but I still participate and engage on my own/on behalf of the guild.

Trading guilds taking advantage of people? Try running one, once again. It's something you need to experience in my opinion. Unless you can elaborate on HOW/WHAT they're doing to take advantage of you.

Copy/Pasting PVE specs I assume? PVE is pretty meta based from what I understand/see. I'm not a huge PVE player anymore by choice. I prefer to PVP, but I still PVE to engage with my guildies and all.

Otherwise, who are you to criticize people for having fun with their social interactions in their private discords? If you don't like it, you don't have to participate. There's no reason for lashing out at others. This was well enough said right here:

I felt this thread almost had a point until it basically devolved into being upset at how other people enjoy themselves.

Malkiv · December 2020

Guys...

Recent wrote: »

If you don't have guild struggles that is great but this post is a space for those of us that do....

/s

JKorr · December 2020

According to some posters, the only reason someone would make a trading guild is to scam gold off their members. Pay dues, ridiculous sales requirements, mandatory raffle, etc., all so the gm can go swimming in the gold like Scrooge McDuck. Also all the guilds are in a massive cartel mafia conspiracy and every single guild in the game is part of it. They only deny it because conspiracy mafia stuff.

No matter how many times guild members as well as guild masters have posted about how guilds work in reality, they refuse to believe anything except their little fantasies.

SeaGtGruff · December 2020

The only issue I've experienced related to guild membership being by account rather than by character is that I once joined a guild dedicated to a particular race (Argonians), and later found myself kicked from that guild without explanation or notice, presumably because the guild had a requirement that members belong to a particular alliance (Ebonheart Pact), and several of my characters on that server belong to the other two alliances.

That isn't the only guild I'm a member of that has a requirement about belonging to one alliance or another, but it's the only one I've ever been kicked from due to having other characters of the "wrong" alliances-- if that's even why I was kicked; as I said, it was done without explanation or notice, so I'm not even sure when it occurred, let alone why, and didn't even notice I'd been kicked until I decided to deposit some spare recipes in the guild's bank for other members to use.

To be honest, I don't have an issue with that type of requirement. The only reason I had an issue with being kicked without explanation or notice is because I was already a member of five guilds when I received an invitation out of the blue to join this other guild, so I had to drop out of one of my existing five guilds to be able to join this other guild-- and frankly, the only reason I decided to join this other guild was because I figured it had probably just been formed by someone and I thought it would be a nice gesture on my part to help them grow their new guild. If I'd taken a moment to read the guild's MOTD before joining, I'd have seen the requirement about belonging to the Ebonheart Pact, at which point I could have asked the person who'd invited me whether it was okay to have characters belonging to the other two alliances as well. So ultimately it was all on me, but it still left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth.

Recent · December 2020

colossalvoids wrote: »

So not much about the guild system apart of RP start but more of issues with other people and how they set their own guilds/discords (which have nothing to do with the game at all).

Easiest solution is to start your own if in your perception others are that flawed.

It's not that others are that flawed...i see how my vent comes across that way. It's more that the general eso population in guilds seem to be so extremely narrow minded as if noone can be unique....must love cats or noone wants to know you.😂

Recent · December 2020

DragonRacer wrote: »

Nobody is forcing you to look at the meme and pet picture channel on a guild Discord, which is usually a mix of game-related helpful channels and, heaven forbid, some off-topic social channels. If they bother you that badly, mute the offending channels.

Lol the guildies all get clicky over cats and dis you if you are a dog person

Recent · December 2020

HalvarIronfist wrote: »

Recent wrote: »

Please: If you don't have guild struggles that is great but this post is a space for those of us that do....you can always make your own post about how perfect and wonderful the eso guild system is and how much you love your guilds etc. Thank you kindly.

My BIGGEST struggle is the fact that if you join one guild, all your characters are forced to be in that guild. I get it many players love it, i hate it.
I would love to be able to login to my rp character and not have her be in 4 other guilds for example. I would also love to have a few of my characters not be in guilds at all.

I know you can be offline but its a pain tbh...if i want to do a dungeon i have to remember to go online again etc just one example.

Trading guilds taking advantage of their members YES it is happening a lot and they tgink we are all too stupid to notice.

Guilds that expect the members to do all the work....why make a guild and expect members to craft for free, recruit, run events while gm sits on his ass while he does absolutely nothing...too many guilds like this.

Guilds asking for vma clears, vdsa clears ...pretty much all vet speed runs and hard mode to have a chance of progressing with them...they offer boring crappy normals runs then spend the whole run flexing about how hard their vet trials are and just chatting among themselves while doing a normal? A lot of the time they get drunk and just be clicky and act like they are doing you a favour by being in their godly presence

I cringe evertime I see a guild recruit they are all just a clone of each other.....it's the absolute copy paste parse, gear, build requirements....
Every freaking guild discord is copy paste of each other

Meme channel...what, are you all 2 yrs old?
Cooking channel cos ya know everyone that plays rpgmmos has to know how to cook....who cares ffs
Cat freaking pics OMG
Every freaking eso player must own a cat? I guess cos they ge too lazy to go walk their dog?

Why not keep game guild discord game related...

There is nothing unique just the names and most are starting to copy each other on that too...sad sad sad

As a GM, I started my own guild because I wanted to have my own community within ESO. Guild chats are completely color-coded capable, and able to be turned off within your chat options. There's no reason that anyone shouldn't be able to do this.

But seriously, with a GM sitting around doing nothing? I seriously encourage you to found your own guild and see how far you'll get if that is your idea of how guilds work. I'm not stating that I do everything, not at all. I have wonderful staff to my guilds and great members, but I still participate and engage on my own/on behalf of the guild.

Trading guilds taking advantage of people? Try running one, once again. It's something you need to experience in my opinion. Unless you can elaborate on HOW/WHAT they're doing to take advantage of you.

Copy/Pasting PVE specs I assume? PVE is pretty meta based from what I understand/see. I'm not a huge PVE player anymore by choice. I prefer to PVP, but I still PVE to engage with my guildies and all.

Otherwise, who are you to criticize people for having fun with their social interactions in their private discords? If you don't like it, you don't have to participate. There's no reason for lashing out at others. This was well enough said right here:

I felt this thread almost had a point until it basically devolved into being upset at how other people enjoy themselves.

Trading guild taking advantage of newer players...telling them to place items cheap then buying them and flipoing them which is happening a lot on all those new lil trade guilds popping up every day

Kwoung · December 2020

Recent wrote: »

HalvarIronfist wrote: »

Recent wrote: »

Please: If you don't have guild struggles that is great but this post is a space for those of us that do....you can always make your own post about how perfect and wonderful the eso guild system is and how much you love your guilds etc. Thank you kindly.

My BIGGEST struggle is the fact that if you join one guild, all your characters are forced to be in that guild. I get it many players love it, i hate it.
I would love to be able to login to my rp character and not have her be in 4 other guilds for example. I would also love to have a few of my characters not be in guilds at all.

I know you can be offline but its a pain tbh...if i want to do a dungeon i have to remember to go online again etc just one example.

Trading guilds taking advantage of their members YES it is happening a lot and they tgink we are all too stupid to notice.

Guilds that expect the members to do all the work....why make a guild and expect members to craft for free, recruit, run events while gm sits on his ass while he does absolutely nothing...too many guilds like this.

Guilds asking for vma clears, vdsa clears ...pretty much all vet speed runs and hard mode to have a chance of progressing with them...they offer boring crappy normals runs then spend the whole run flexing about how hard their vet trials are and just chatting among themselves while doing a normal? A lot of the time they get drunk and just be clicky and act like they are doing you a favour by being in their godly presence

I cringe evertime I see a guild recruit they are all just a clone of each other.....it's the absolute copy paste parse, gear, build requirements....
Every freaking guild discord is copy paste of each other

Meme channel...what, are you all 2 yrs old?
Cooking channel cos ya know everyone that plays rpgmmos has to know how to cook....who cares ffs
Cat freaking pics OMG
Every freaking eso player must own a cat? I guess cos they ge too lazy to go walk their dog?

Why not keep game guild discord game related...

There is nothing unique just the names and most are starting to copy each other on that too...sad sad sad

As a GM, I started my own guild because I wanted to have my own community within ESO. Guild chats are completely color-coded capable, and able to be turned off within your chat options. There's no reason that anyone shouldn't be able to do this.

But seriously, with a GM sitting around doing nothing? I seriously encourage you to found your own guild and see how far you'll get if that is your idea of how guilds work. I'm not stating that I do everything, not at all. I have wonderful staff to my guilds and great members, but I still participate and engage on my own/on behalf of the guild.

Trading guilds taking advantage of people? Try running one, once again. It's something you need to experience in my opinion. Unless you can elaborate on HOW/WHAT they're doing to take advantage of you.

Copy/Pasting PVE specs I assume? PVE is pretty meta based from what I understand/see. I'm not a huge PVE player anymore by choice. I prefer to PVP, but I still PVE to engage with my guildies and all.

Otherwise, who are you to criticize people for having fun with their social interactions in their private discords? If you don't like it, you don't have to participate. There's no reason for lashing out at others. This was well enough said right here:

I felt this thread almost had a point until it basically devolved into being upset at how other people enjoy themselves.

Trading guild taking advantage of newer players...telling them to place items cheap then buying them and flipoing them which is happening a lot on all those new lil trade guilds popping up every day

ROFL... That is the craziest conspiracy theory I have read yet! When my guild could only afford out of the way Outlaw Refuge traders, I told my guild members to sell stuff cheap, not to buy the items up, but because they weren't going to sell it at all if they kept choosing the TTC max price and would lose their listing fee's.

Also, I have bought many items from my own trader, as I shop at home first and support my guild members, not rip them off. But please, go ahead and ask top dollar on a common item like craft mats on some remote trader in a never-frequented area of the game... and see how well your stuff sells, even at average prices it will sit there forever and expire.

Malkiv · December 2020

Kwoung wrote: »

Also, I have bought many items from my own trader, as I shop at home first and support my guild members, not rip them off.

This - This 100%! It's not some scam to rip off new players. Buying stuff from my own trade guild counts towards my weekly requirements! If people are listing less than, or close to other sellers in the same block, then I buy from my own traders every time.

Kwoung · December 2020

Just to clarify, as a guild master, I put in about 16 hours a week at least on guild management, events and improvements. We are currently working together as a guild to outfit our guild hall with all the set crafting stations, which is the last improvement needed, unless ZOS adds new things.

Yes we have asked our members to help and they have, a lot! I am not getting rich here, it is actually a ton of extra work doing all the master writs and hunting down and buying motifs (out of my own gold, not the guilds) to do them. We are at 37 of the 62 needed sets, which means on top of our weekly trader fee's, we need an extra 25 million gold or the equivalent in master writs/materials to get them. I personally have donated over 5 million gold to the project so far.

In the end, this will benefit all our members and be a huge QoL improvement for those that do not otherwise have access to a full crafting hall.

I get so tired of reading these guild leaders are evil posts and we are controlling the marketplace, ripping off our members and swimming in the piles of gold we stole from the little people. Try running a guild, it is a HUGE amount of work, unless your guild literally does nothing.

Faiza · December 2020

Kwoung wrote: »

Just to clarify, as a guild master, I put in about 16 hours a week at least on guild management, events and improvements. We are currently working together as a guild to outfit our guild hall with all the set crafting stations, which is the last improvement needed, unless ZOS adds new things.

Yes we have asked our members to help and they have, a lot! I am not getting rich here, it is actually a ton of extra work doing all the master writs and hunting down and buying motifs (out of my own gold, not the guilds) to do them. We are at 37 of the 62 needed sets, which means on top of our weekly trader fee's, we need an extra 25 million gold or the equivalent in master writs/materials to get them. I personally have donated over 5 million gold to the project so far.

In the end, this will benefit all our members and be a huge QoL improvement for those that do not otherwise have access to a full crafting hall.

I get so tired of reading these guild leaders are evil posts and we are controlling the marketplace, ripping off our members and swimming in the piles of gold we stole from the little people. Try running a guild, it is a HUGE amount of work, unless your guild literally does nothing.

It's great that you do that, but I don't think it helps your cause to dismiss legitimate concern though. There are bad guilds out there, and while you may have been lucky enough to never run into them, many others have.

Kwoung · December 2020

Faiza wrote: »

Kwoung wrote: »

Just to clarify, as a guild master, I put in about 16 hours a week at least on guild management, events and improvements. We are currently working together as a guild to outfit our guild hall with all the set crafting stations, which is the last improvement needed, unless ZOS adds new things.

Yes we have asked our members to help and they have, a lot! I am not getting rich here, it is actually a ton of extra work doing all the master writs and hunting down and buying motifs (out of my own gold, not the guilds) to do them. We are at 37 of the 62 needed sets, which means on top of our weekly trader fee's, we need an extra 25 million gold or the equivalent in master writs/materials to get them. I personally have donated over 5 million gold to the project so far.

In the end, this will benefit all our members and be a huge QoL improvement for those that do not otherwise have access to a full crafting hall.

I get so tired of reading these guild leaders are evil posts and we are controlling the marketplace, ripping off our members and swimming in the piles of gold we stole from the little people. Try running a guild, it is a HUGE amount of work, unless your guild literally does nothing.

It's great that you do that, but I don't think it helps your cause to dismiss legitimate concern though. There are bad guilds out there, and while you may have been lucky enough to never run into them, many others have.

I actually don't have a cause, the OP does, and he/she pretty much stated that is how "most" guilds are. Yes, there are bad guild leaders out there, some even may be out to rip people off, but they are the exception, not the rule as the OP implies, and get a bad rep fast. Not to mention no one forces anyone to do anything, that is a personal choice to stay in that sort of guild rather than drop it and find a decent one instead.

I mean honestly, if someone takes the minute to read the guild description, you pretty much know what you are getting into and what that guild values and expects from it's members, whether it is top DPS, trading, RPing or whatever. That has been my experience at least and I tried a lot of guilds before I found ones that fit me, but not once was I "lured in", they all did exactly as advertised, I just realized afterwards that wasn't what I was looking for and moved on... without the need to generalize and slam guilds in general on a message board.

renne · December 2020

1. What does it matter that your toons are all in the same guilds? Do you mean you want to have different guilds for them, or...?
2. You can absolutely do dungeons while you're offline, offline literally just means that people can't see that you're online it doesn't stop you from engaging in any group content. I was offline all yesterday, including running in a VSS with my trial guild last night.
3. If a trading guild is taking advantage of you, leave. I'm sure it happens, but like "toxic players in pugs" "elitists kicking people for x in pugs" it's not actually that common.
4. I haven't experienced any guild where the GM just sits around expecting everyone else to do the work. See above: I'm sure it happens, but it's not actually that common.
5. I'm sorry guilds want people FOR endgame content who can show they do other difficult content?? Do you have problems with parse requests, too, to show someone can do x amount of dps?
6. Adults gonna be adults. Adults drink, have fun, chat to their friends. I made friends in aforementioned trials guild running normals with them, they helped me become good enough to do endgame content. You can't just assume everyone is going to be your friend without giving anything in return.
7. Oh no, guilds having social channels you can absolutely mute, how terrible. I'm absolutely not shocked that you're angry about people are having fun without you if you're also complaining about guilds having social sides to them.