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High crit magplar build
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Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭High Crit Magicka builds are difficult to theorycraft this patch, @Syccal ... because ZOS has decided to allow the Proc Set meta to flourish.
In other words, players can't put on Mother's Sorrow (or similar 5-piece sets) because it sacrifices so much in defense and sustain.
But, if your motto is "challenge accepted" and are OK with a glass cannon build, try it out on PTS first.
If you're not on PC to be able to use PTS, the UESP build editor can help iron out your stats before you commit:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/UESPWiki:EsoBuildEditor
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Kartalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The only high crit build I would even attempt to use in this meta would utilize mechanical acuity.- PC/NA
- Karllotta, AD Magplar, AR 50
- Hatched-In-Glacier, DC Magden, AR 44
- Miraliys, EP Warden, AR 35
- Kartalin, AD Stamblade, AR 35
- Miralys, AD Magsorc, AR 35
- Milthalas, EP Magblade, AR 35
- Kallenna, AD Magcro, AR 34
- Lyranais, EP Magsorc, AR 33
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The only high crit build I would even attempt to use in this meta would utilize mechanical acuity.
This, especially in no CP.
In no CP the math shows that the opportunity cost of getting your stats high enough to be more valuable than Malacath is just way too much.
You gotta consider the base line impen everyone starts out with, and then how many set(s) you gotta run and abilities.
Usually it means Mundus, 1 set or more, Abilities (like camouflage hunter or innerlight) edit and race vs Malacath
To make it much more reasonable you gotta run acuity; even then that's a 5 peice set vs a 1 peice ring.
ATM I am working on a templar that doesn't run malacath; but thats so I can utilize proc sets that need crits.Edited by Waffennacht on December 7, 2020 8:26PM1 -
Syiccal✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yea fair enough, I'm playing light armour with procs and malacath at min. Works well but procs feels cheesy in all honestly..but tried without them and just don't do enough to the 35k hp wardens running round.
And even with procs the healing they can do is mental!!
Wish the OG healing class had heals half as good to be fair2 -
Grimlok_S✭✭✭✭✭Light Attack Hero
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jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The only high crit build I would even attempt to use in this meta would utilize mechanical acuity.
I love running Mechanical Acuity and Shacklebreaker/Spinners on my Magplar. It sets up some truly monstrous combinations if done right. Especially if you run Eye of the Storm and wait to cast your Ult for when Acuity procs.0 -
katorga✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »
You need 50% crit rate and 50% critical damage modifier (after targets critical resistance) to match malacath. That averages out to 25% more damage all the time.
Critical damage is subject to RNG, Malacath is not.
Malacath has one counter, damage mitigation.
Critical builds have two, damage mitigation and critical resistance.
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »
You need 50% crit rate and 50% critical damage modifier (after targets critical resistance) to match malacath. That averages out to 25% more damage all the time.
Critical damage is subject to RNG, Malacath is not.
Malacath has one counter, damage mitigation.
Critical builds have two, damage mitigation and critical resistance.
Right, but how does one get to 50% crit chance?
Btw 1000 impen is.... (660 = 10% dmg mitigation) so its auto 15% crit resistance minimum
Meaning you need minimum 50% chance with 65% modifier minimum
To get (no CP) +65% mod, you have to be NB or Temp; or run Shadow mundus, and/or khajiit
To get 50% crit chance, you need something like inner light, hunter, or templar passive + a crit loaded set.
ORRR you can run malacath/acuity.
Maybe we said the same thing.... Just wanted to illustrate why in no CP malacath is almost a no-brainer0 -
katorga✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »
You need 50% crit rate and 50% critical damage modifier (after targets critical resistance) to match malacath. That averages out to 25% more damage all the time.
Critical damage is subject to RNG, Malacath is not.
Malacath has one counter, damage mitigation.
Critical builds have two, damage mitigation and critical resistance.
Maybe we said the same thing.... Just wanted to illustrate why in no CP malacath is almost a no-brainer
We did say the same thing, and that is why malacath is sooo good.
No to mention it supercharges proc sets.
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fred4✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I would say most of all you need to do your own testing. When I tested Malacath against a target skeleton, it came out as about 17% added damage with my builds, not 25%. You can test it yourself or, better yet, against a player in a duel and against one in no CP. Don't ask me why there are such discrepancies, but it is not good to take things at face value. Malacath's 25% is factord in somewhere into the damage caluculation, but it does not appear to be done at the end. The statement "you need 50% crit damage and a 50% crit modifier over crit resistance" to match Malacath is, therefore, not accurate.
I do not mean to say that crit is better, only that you need to test. Everyone has crit resistance. A typical value in CP PvP is 45% (3K crit resist). This makes crit far less effective than it is in PvE. On the other hand, stringing together a bunch of crits can be a big factor in your burst succeeding. I concur with using Acuity when going this route. Templar has a +10% crit passive. With CP that gets your crit modifier to 80%. Add Race Against Time: 90%. Add the Shadow Mundus: 101%. Add Acuity: 100% crit chance. I would say that looks promising, provided the Acuity window fits your playstyle.PC EU: Magblade (PvP main), DK (PvE Tank), Sorc (PvP and PvE), Magden (PvE Healer), Magplar (PvP and PvE DD), Arcanist (PvE DD)
PC NA: Magblade (PvP and PvE every role)1 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@fred4 it is extremely hard to say how your numbers came to be specifically; however if it's against a skele I can definitely assume you're in CP. That'll be a large factor in damage calculations which does fit what was said in this thread.
Here most of everything said directly pertains to nonCP BGs.
We are also talking long run. Crit will have a large upfront burst impact over malacath.
Biggest factor however you didnt address: malacath buffs proc sets
When that's factored into BGs, the superior choice is Malacath unless running the specific niche buuld you mentioned.
Which is the conclusion I came to
Acquity, Khajiit, Templar, RaT can compare to malacath (but that's a TON of diversity lost to match a single item piece)1
