Battlegrounds - Dual Wielding, No Self Healing?

Syrpynt · December 2020

Blood Craze and Bloodthirst aren't working for self-heals in BG's?

Blood Craze maybe would make sense if I died before it even ticked-- but bloodthirst I know I complete a few. Not a single heal from them.

I have had EXACTLY "0 points of healing" done to me by the end of some matches (for any character dual wielding for heals) and I wish I mentioned this sooner in case it is a bug, because it makes BG's unplayable as a DW dps.
(Also I apologize, as the Image link button doesn't work for me either while making this post)
https://imgur.com/tbFauSi
https://imgur.com/alGYQDf

Is this a nerf/feature the devs added a while ago? I noticed this far before the latest patch. I also get weird "tips" after I die saying I need to be Dual Wielding to use "flurry" and "twin slashes" which are the submorphs of Bloodthirst and Blood Craze respectively.
https://imgur.com/gh1pAJA

If someone can enlighten me, that'd be awesome. If I can't self heal in BG's, how am I supposed to support my team if I'm dead all the time?

Thank you.

sabresandiego_ESO · December 2020

They work and do self heal you. It’s not enough healing to keep you alive while your taking heavy damage, you need to use vigor and perform evasive maneuvers like dodge rolling and running behind line of sight. The healing done metric in the scoreboard only shows your healing done to others, not your self healing.

Syrpynt · December 2020

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

They work and do self heal you. It’s not enough healing to keep you alive while your taking heavy damage, you need to use vigor and perform evasive maneuvers like dodge rolling and running behind line of sight. The healing done metric in the scoreboard only shows your healing done to others, not your self healing.

They don't work for me. So this must be a bug. I use controller to play, and since the ui is different, it could be something niche to controller users. I'll report in the bugs section. Thank you for verifying.

Artorias24 · December 2020

On stamina use vigor as self heal. Those passive healing from DW are not a main source for healing.

oscarovegren · December 2020

DW is way inferior for PvP. There is no viable way of healing in the DW skilline. Go 2H!

lucky_Sage · December 2020

@Syrpynt
it is not a bug they ticks from those heals are strong enough to negate much player dmg. you must slot vigor and dodge roll and block at the right times to negate burst.
as said above healing yourself will not show in the score board.
as a stam dk you should not be running burning embers the dmg is to weak to do anything and the heal is based on dmg done.
for a duel wield build like that to even have a chance to work you must have more pressure than everyone so you can stay offensive but if you lake dmg will never work.
if you are on PC NA my @ name is Lucky_Sage you can add me and i can try to help you get your build set up

Jierdanit · December 2020

Syrpynt wrote: »

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

They work and do self heal you. It’s not enough healing to keep you alive while your taking heavy damage, you need to use vigor and perform evasive maneuvers like dodge rolling and running behind line of sight. The healing done metric in the scoreboard only shows your healing done to others, not your self healing.

They don't work for me. So this must be a bug. I use controller to play, and since the ui is different, it could be something niche to controller users. I'll report in the bugs section. Thank you for verifying.

He actually explained why its not a bug that you get shown 0 heal from it in the BG scoreboard.

The healing done metric in the scoreboard only shows your healing done to others, not your self healing.

You wont see if you heal yourself with it in the Scoreboard, you will need to actually look if you get heals in the fights.

Vevvev · December 2020

Someone pointed out you shouldn't be using Burning Embers on a stamina build, but I'd also like to point out Corrosive Armor would work better for you than Magma Shell as an ultimate. Reason being is Corrosive Armor's damage scales off better with your physical stats and ignoring all of your enemy's physical resistance is insanely good! The shield from Magma Shell only helps your team mates around you which only really helps if you're built into team support, which by the looks of it you are not.

Also I'd recommend turning on damage and healing numbers in combat if you want to see for sure if something is working or not. Healing shows up as green numbers by default.

Syrpynt · December 2020

Vevvev wrote: »

Someone pointed out you shouldn't be using Burning Embers on a stamina build, but I'd also like to point out Corrosive Armor would work better for you than Magma Shell as an ultimate. Reason being is Corrosive Armor's damage scales off better with your physical stats and ignoring all of your enemy's physical resistance is insanely good! The shield from Magma Shell only helps your team mates around you which only really helps if you're built into team support, which by the looks of it you are not.

Also I'd recommend turning on damage and healing numbers in combat if you want to see for sure if something is working or not. Healing shows up as green numbers by default.

I do have the numbers show but yeah. I get burst too fast for heals to even be viable. I don't even see the healing done from blood thirst or blood craze. But my magicka characters have no problems offsetting burst damage with multiple damage shields to prevent crits and give time to heal. I guess I just won't play melee in BG's anymore since all of my stam builds become glass-cannons in PvP, except for my nightblade which can cloak to avoid damage.

Also, I just found this to be the actual answer why I wasn't self-healing, thus proving more and more that Damage shields are better than armor points because they practically have minimal flaws:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7022835

Which points out that the damage done necessary for healing won't happen unless they don't have damage shields up.

Brrrofski · December 2020

Syrpynt wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

Someone pointed out you shouldn't be using Burning Embers on a stamina build, but I'd also like to point out Corrosive Armor would work better for you than Magma Shell as an ultimate. Reason being is Corrosive Armor's damage scales off better with your physical stats and ignoring all of your enemy's physical resistance is insanely good! The shield from Magma Shell only helps your team mates around you which only really helps if you're built into team support, which by the looks of it you are not.

Also I'd recommend turning on damage and healing numbers in combat if you want to see for sure if something is working or not. Healing shows up as green numbers by default.

I do have the numbers show but yeah. I get burst too fast for heals to even be viable. I don't even see the healing done from blood thirst or blood craze. But my magicka characters have no problems offsetting burst damage with multiple damage shields to prevent crits and give time to heal. I guess I just won't play melee in BG's anymore since all of my stam builds become glass-cannons in PvP, except for my nightblade which can cloak to avoid damage.

Have you tried vigor?

What class are you? There may also be a heal in your class you can use.

Everest_Lionheart · December 2020

You still need a heal to survive. I used to use those same morphs on Stamden and threw leeching vines and green lotus on top of that while also wearing Briarheart. It was a fun build for a while but it’s all in to get a kill and often I ran out of stamina because those two morphs don’t really have the damage output required to kill anything. You are better off shielding up, using vigor and running spin to win instead of you want to run DW or going 2H and spamming dizzy until execute.

Astrid · December 2020

Healing done at the end of the match isn’t applicable to yourself. It’s healing dealt to other people. Pair it with vigor.