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Now that Iceheart has been nerfed can we have a new Ice themed monster set please?
MindOfTheSwarm
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Just think we need another option. Fire has multiple options as does Lightning. Give us a new Ice monster set, something a bit more damage based. For Example:
Frostbite:
(1 Item) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(2 Items) Your Frost damage over time effects deal 50% additional damage vs Chilled targets.
A bit like Blooddrinker but for Frost DoT's.
Not overpowered as there are only like 5 Frost Dot's in the entire game that can be used together. (3 ults and 4 skills.)
Would give Frost damage a bit of love and put it on par with Fire and Lightning without having to do a crazy rework.
Frostbite:
(1 Item) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(2 Items) Your Frost damage over time effects deal 50% additional damage vs Chilled targets.
A bit like Blooddrinker but for Frost DoT's.
Not overpowered as there are only like 5 Frost Dot's in the entire game that can be used together. (3 ults and 4 skills.)
Would give Frost damage a bit of love and put it on par with Fire and Lightning without having to do a crazy rework.
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Fennwitty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I agree, more ice would be nice.
A bunch of ice-themed cosmetic items are being released in the crownstore this year, would be good to have some more ice-love functionally too next year.PC NA6 -
Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Knowing ZOS they'll probably make it a tank set anyway even though nobody wants ice to be just for tanks.
I'd be against ice builds having to rely on a specific monster set to be viable because it restricts creative freedom when making builds, but since we don't even have any proper offensive monster set that works on an ice themed build I am perfectly fine with this suggestion since it'll be a quality of life improvement.
Although a monster set would become restricted to a DLC dungeon and it has to fit the theme of the dungeon too so we'd have to wait until the next ice theme comes around. Which is why I think making it a Mythic item instead would be better. Make it a hat or shoulder piece and you could pair it with one piece of iceheart as if it was a monster set but have it be more accessible than a DLC Monster hat.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭They'll give you one, but it'll be something that reduces block cost when you chill an enemy and complete a heavy attack5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'd personally rather an actual frost damage proc effect like a frost damage winter's respite(like it should have been in the first place) or something similar.PvE Frost Warden Main and teacher. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX
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✭✭✭✭✭MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »
(1 Item) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(2 Items) Your Frost damage over time effects deal 50% additional damage vs Chilled targets.
This is so broken. So broken. Just from winters revenge you will get 3% dps increase after diminishing returns of % modifiers. And I am not even counting the HELL permafrost will be in no CP PvP.
I am all for ice themed monster set, but for the love of God make it balanced.Edited by zvavi on December 5, 2020 2:55AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭Monster set that summons a permanent Ice Atronach to fight beside you whenever you enter combat.2 -
DT-ARR✭✭✭✭Good luck. Ice damage is the red headed step child of DD's in ESO. Zos has proven time and time again that they are far too committed / lazy to make the necessary changes / make a separate line for magicka tanks. Until that happens there is no point in even trying to make it work from a damage perspective. They've dug their heels in and shown nothing but stubborn resistance to virtually all feedback.
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MindOfTheSwarm✭✭✭✭✭
✭MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »
(1 Item) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(2 Items) Your Frost damage over time effects deal 50% additional damage vs Chilled targets.
This is so broken. So broken. Just from winters revenge you will get 3% dps increase after diminishing returns of % modifiers. And I am not even counting the HELL permafrost will be in no CP PvP.
I am all for ice themed monster set, but for the love of God make it balanced.
Is it really that broken? Even with the suggested buff, Permafrost still won't deal as much damage as it used to. It will be dangerous for something like Icy Rage yes, but I can get my Fiery Rage on my Mag DK to 16k per second tooltip damage. Icy Rage I can get to about 9800 max. With the above set, this will still be lower than my Fiery Rage on my MagDK.
You could also argue it would make Ice Comet really dangerous but it would only buff the DoT damage and again my MagDk Shooting Star deals more damage than my Warden Ice Comet.
Northern Storm would be very scary as would Eye of the Storm, but again both MagSorc and MagDk have far more scary AoE Ultimates.
If anything, this suggested sets most lethal buff would be to Winter's Revenge as you said in your example. But Winter's Revenge is not something many players would stick around in even without my suggested set.0 -
MindOfTheSwarm✭✭✭✭✭
✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »I'd personally rather an actual frost damage proc effect like a frost damage winter's respite(like it should have been in the first place) or something similar.
This would also be a great alternative. But I would like it to 'feel' like frostbite, as in it has synergy with your own Frost abilities (like its getting colder and colder the longer they remain in the AoE) maybe it's damage could increase every second similar to Zaan.
Another idea would be to have it apply a DoT directly but the damage of the DoT would increase for every other Frost DoT on the target. As in the temperature is getting lower for every DoT on them and so the damage of the set DoT would increase as a result. Encouraging a sort of 'keep them cold' style of play.0 -
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✭✭✭I'd love more ice themed stuff, especially for DPS. I miss my frost mage in WOW often.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »If anything, this suggested sets most lethal buff would be to Winter's Revenge as you said in your example. But Winter's Revenge is not something many players would stick around in even without my suggested set.
Winters revenge is something all magdens run because it is a very, very strong dot (and it has a very high base chance to apply chilled, a thing that buffs damage further). Other than that, yes, permafrost is more dangerous than eye of the storm. It is defensive offensive ultimate, with long 12 seconds uptime, major protection, 70% snare, and chilled proc, making your already used arctic blast hit 50% harder (your monster set) because it instaprocs chilled on EVERYTHING.0 -
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✭MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »If anything, this suggested sets most lethal buff would be to Winter's Revenge as you said in your example. But Winter's Revenge is not something many players would stick around in even without my suggested set.
Winters revenge is something all magdens run because it is a very, very strong dot (and it has a very high base chance to apply chilled, a thing that buffs damage further). Other than that, yes, permafrost is more dangerous than eye of the storm. It is defensive offensive ultimate, with long 12 seconds uptime, major protection, 70% snare, and chilled proc, making your already used arctic blast hit 50% harder (your monster set) because it instaprocs chilled on EVERYTHING.
Arctic Blast is not really known for its damage though. I can't really get past 1400 so an extra 700 is not game breaking. But taking every other DoT into account. It still won't surpass a properly specced MagDk for damage over time.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »If anything, this suggested sets most lethal buff would be to Winter's Revenge as you said in your example. But Winter's Revenge is not something many players would stick around in even without my suggested set.
Winters revenge is something all magdens run because it is a very, very strong dot (and it has a very high base chance to apply chilled, a thing that buffs damage further). Other than that, yes, permafrost is more dangerous than eye of the storm. It is defensive offensive ultimate, with long 12 seconds uptime, major protection, 70% snare, and chilled proc, making your already used arctic blast hit 50% harder (your monster set) because it instaprocs chilled on EVERYTHING.
Arctic Blast is not really known for its damage though. I can't really get past 1400 so an extra 700 is not game breaking. But taking every other DoT into account. It still won't surpass a properly specced MagDk for damage over time.
All 3 ticks hit together as strong as a spammable (on magden)...the point is not that the combo brings major damage, the problem is that already a strong offensive situation becomes much more dangerous damagewise.the point is not that I can't get the same damage numbers on other builds, the point is that the damage numbers, combined with constant chilled ticks, 70% snare, and additional pressure from their already in kit skills, and major protection, scares the *** out of me. You might be right and I am exaggerating though, and balorgh is a good counter argument for the same situation, but for PvE it is definitely BiS gear without changing builds at all (and will become even stronger once you count in new skills)Edited by zvavi on December 5, 2020 4:30PM0 -
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✭MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »If anything, this suggested sets most lethal buff would be to Winter's Revenge as you said in your example. But Winter's Revenge is not something many players would stick around in even without my suggested set.
Winters revenge is something all magdens run because it is a very, very strong dot (and it has a very high base chance to apply chilled, a thing that buffs damage further). Other than that, yes, permafrost is more dangerous than eye of the storm. It is defensive offensive ultimate, with long 12 seconds uptime, major protection, 70% snare, and chilled proc, making your already used arctic blast hit 50% harder (your monster set) because it instaprocs chilled on EVERYTHING.
Arctic Blast is not really known for its damage though. I can't really get past 1400 so an extra 700 is not game breaking. But taking every other DoT into account. It still won't surpass a properly specced MagDk for damage over time.
All 3 ticks hit together as strong as a spammable (on magden)...the point is not that the combo brings major damage, the problem is that already a strong offensive situation becomes much more dangerous damagewise.the point is not that I can't get the same damage numbers on other builds, the point is that the damage numbers, combined with constant chilled ticks, 70% snare, and additional pressure from their already in kit skills, and major protection, scares the *** out of me. You might be right and I am exaggerating though, and balorgh is a good counter argument for the same situation, but for PvE it is definitely BiS gear without changing builds at all (and will become even stronger once you count in new skills)
Maybe, you're right. I just thought of something else... Icy Conjuror.0
