Frost Elemental Storm

MindOfTheSwarm · November 2020

Should this version apply Major Brittle? simple question.

ESO_Nightingale · November 2020

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

Should this version apply Major Brittle? simple question.

It could, but it would probably also need to have the same cooldown on it that collosus had. As +20% crit damage is a lot. Then again, not sure just how many people would be willing to slot the frost staff in it's current state, and then a 250 cost ultimate on top of that, could be balanced.

WrathOfInnos · November 2020

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

Should this version apply Major Brittle? simple question.

It could, but it would probably also need to have the same cooldown on it that collosus had. As +20% crit damage is a lot. Then again, not sure just how many people would be willing to slot the frost staff in it's current state, and then a 250 cost ultimate on top of that, could be balanced.

Yeah, this sounds pretty cool tbh. And I don’t think it would be imbalanced. 20% crit is about 7-8% group DPS while active. If the duration was the 7s of the storm, and it were cast every 70s that would mean 10% uptime for 0.7-0.8% group DPS.

Compare this to a Necromancer colossus which adds about 2% DPS on average per user. Now the Icy Rage ultimate itself doesn’t more damage than Colossus, which is balanced by the reduced group buff. Icy Rage is significantly less damage than Thunderous or Fiery Rage, which is why adding a small group buff to it is a great idea.

The other interesting comparison here is Aggressive Warhorn. This ult gives a very similar 20% crit damage to the group for 10s, as well as 10% increased resources for a long duration. Icy Rage loses 30% of the crit damage uptime, as well as giving no resource buff, but does some damage of its own to make up for these shortcomings. And the fact that both would stack means that tanks and healers would likely still need to do a Warhorn rotation, allowing some DPS to perform a separate Icy Rage rotation and possibly make Frost DPS a valuable team member.

ESO_Nightingale · November 2020

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

Should this version apply Major Brittle? simple question.

It could, but it would probably also need to have the same cooldown on it that collosus had. As +20% crit damage is a lot. Then again, not sure just how many people would be willing to slot the frost staff in it's current state, and then a 250 cost ultimate on top of that, could be balanced.

Yeah, this sounds pretty cool tbh. And I don’t think it would be imbalanced. 20% crit is about 7-8% group DPS while active. If the duration was the 7s of the storm, and it were cast every 70s that would mean 10% uptime for 0.7-0.8% group DPS.

Compare this to a Necromancer colossus which adds about 2% DPS on average per user. Now the Icy Rage ultimate itself doesn’t more damage than Colossus, which is balanced by the reduced group buff. Icy Rage is significantly less damage than Thunderous or Fiery Rage, which is why adding a small group buff to it is a great idea.

The other interesting comparison here is Aggressive Warhorn. This ult gives a very similar 20% crit damage to the group for 10s, as well as 10% increased resources for a long duration. Icy Rage loses 30% of the crit damage uptime, as well as giving no resource buff, but does some damage of its own to make up for these shortcomings. And the fact that both would stack means that tanks and healers would likely still need to do a Warhorn rotation, allowing some DPS to perform a separate Icy Rage rotation and possibly make Frost DPS a valuable team member.

I have covered this idea already, during the pts cycle, but it's just concerning to me that major brittle can be stacked with minor brittle, minor force and major force. is it too much? I'm not sure, i think if it applied major force it would be more balanced.

emilyhyoyeon · November 2020

I would rather them steer a bit away from brittle ideally, because I would rather see ice get a damage buff for themselves, not a support damage buff for them and the team. But if they won't (I don't think they will until they add a new staff) then anything to steer magwarden away from using bear is great.

If brittle only applied to the person who applied it (as it should imo), I think it would be easier to balance too. A debuff that every group member benefits from seems funadmentally more likely to be too strong than a buff that only a single DD applies themself and benefits from.

ESO_Nightingale · November 2020

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

I would rather them steer a bit away from brittle ideally, because I would rather see ice get a damage buff for themselves, not a support damage buff for them and the team. But if they won't (I don't think they will until they add a new staff) then anything to steer magwarden away from using bear is great.

If brittle only applied to the person who applied it (as it should imo), I think it would be easier to balance too. A debuff that every group member benefits from seems funadmentally more likely to be too strong than a buff that only a single DD applies themself and benefits from.

i think they could also increase the user's critical damage done by 4-6% by simply having icy rage slotted, as it's unique effect, i think it balances itself out in a lot of cases.

MindOfTheSwarm · December 2020

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

I would rather them steer a bit away from brittle ideally, because I would rather see ice get a damage buff for themselves, not a support damage buff for them and the team. But if they won't (I don't think they will until they add a new staff) then anything to steer magwarden away from using bear is great.

If brittle only applied to the person who applied it (as it should imo), I think it would be easier to balance too. A debuff that every group member benefits from seems funadmentally more likely to be too strong than a buff that only a single DD applies themself and benefits from.

i think they could also increase the user's critical damage done by 4-6% by simply having icy rage slotted, as it's unique effect, i think it balances itself out in a lot of cases.

Icy Rage really does need a little something more than the immobilise.

ESO_Nightingale · December 2020

MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

I would rather them steer a bit away from brittle ideally, because I would rather see ice get a damage buff for themselves, not a support damage buff for them and the team. But if they won't (I don't think they will until they add a new staff) then anything to steer magwarden away from using bear is great.

If brittle only applied to the person who applied it (as it should imo), I think it would be easier to balance too. A debuff that every group member benefits from seems funadmentally more likely to be too strong than a buff that only a single DD applies themself and benefits from.

i think they could also increase the user's critical damage done by 4-6% by simply having icy rage slotted, as it's unique effect, i think it balances itself out in a lot of cases.

Icy Rage really does need a little something more than the immobilise.

i'd argue it doesn't need the immobilise at all. it needs either a solid crit damage buff to caster while slotted, or to be a dps version of warhorn, or even a major brittle applicant. anything critical damage based, would be fine.