Sick of playing my main for achievements.

FlopsyPrince · November 2020

A problem with making dungeon achievements account wide would be that we would then have no idea which skill points we have and don't have. And no, I am not paying to buy earned skill points. That was a money-grubbing move in my view.

I don't like running for them for the Nth time, but I tolerate it because the only place I would even consider it would be in Cyrodil.

Sinolai · November 2020

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

A problem with making dungeon achievements account wide would be that we would then have no idea which skill points we have and don't have. And no, I am not paying to buy earned skill points. That was a money-grubbing move in my view.

I don't like running for them for the Nth time, but I tolerate it because the only place I would even consider it would be in Cyrodil.

You can already have the dungeon "cleared" without doing the quest (happened too many times :P ). Luckily there is an addon that tells you if you also remembered to do the quest. But yes, they'd need to make a separate window for skyshard collection tracking and Quest progress.

Sinolai · November 2020

Wandering_Immigrant wrote: »

iksde wrote: »

Wandering_Immigrant wrote: »

Any moreso and all your characters might as well have the same name too because they'd be nothing more than an overly complex class and race change system.

and thast it.....whenever I like to create my alt literally copy paste of my main and just to play different class for fun, for break from my main and yet I have literally nothing which I have achieved from my main or I would not get anything new for my main while playing me alts

I understand this mindset when it comes to the long-play type achievements, like kill 1000 wolves or whatever. These types aren't really meant to be grinded but more seen as an overall benchmark of time played, and so I can understand the frustration some people feel if they want to view their time played as a whole across thier account.

For me I view those things as a benchmark of time played per character and it's neat for me to be able to see how my habits are different depending on the character I'm playing based on the individual achievements they've each unlocked. So if I'm playing on a character and 'achievement unlocked: Wolf hunter' pops up on my screen (just a made up example) I can say, oh wow I must have spent a lot of time in zones with wolves on this character. And if it's a title befitting of the character I can set it as thier title if I want to because it's something they've actually done.

It's funny we both have similar motivation for our view points just from an opposite perspective. You find playing on alts to be a waste of time because every Wolf your alt kills is a wolf your main didn't kill. For me every wolf one character kills is a small step toward distinguishing them from the rest of my characters, and if achievements were shared I'd find playing alts a waste of time because all of those notifications letting me know I've reached a benchmark would've already happened while I was on previous characters.

I'm a little less understanding when it comes to the achievements we have more control over, like quest, dungeon and trial completion, or exploration, or crafting related. These are obtained more through set goals rather than happenstance and if you want the title for a specific character whether it's a main or not there's nothing really stopping you.

This is actually the best argument I have seen from the opposing side and I agree, the way it makes your characters unique is fun. But I am still bothered by the incomplete status of your account and the several impracticalities that comes with the achievements not counted on the account as whole (not being able to buy all furnitures with same char, not getting access to multi-achievement rewards, tedious grind for missing items in order to complete the multi-step achievement for atleast one character, when you have technically completed it already). I honestly wouldnt mind not being able to wear the titles on every character (like you said, it makes your character unique) but I would like to have my "certificate" for completing the game and not having to guess which character can buy the furniture I want for my house.
This feels like completing highschool but not getting the diploma becouse the credit for Physics and Math goes to your brain, credit for Arts to your hands and credit from PE to your legs. It's still me who did all this! I own the brain, hands and legs!

Thoragaal · November 2020

Starlight_Knight wrote: »

I cant be alone in this surly.

Playing alts is punishing and unrewarding.

I think the issue for me is achievements, the game has this half in half out approach, My cp, motifs and dyes etc are unlocked yet none of the other stuff... its a bit senseless and really frustrating, once you hit 50 and have completed your guild grinds, that's it, finished.
Any more time you spend playing content your main hasn't done is punishing.

I would have really liked to make a new toon for the recent DLC's and had a fun time roll playing as a holy templar, or even a magica night blade vampire.
But instead every new bit of content that comes out i have to take my stupidly OP end game magden dps in for the achievements.

imho achievements should be all or nothing.

Achievement points do nothing. The rewards are account wide (except titles).
There's little to no reason to do all achievements on just one character. In fact, if you do achievements on some other character you'd have more fun, which should be incentive enough.

I know what you mean by "punishing" because I've felt that too sometimes. However, after I stopped caring, a few years ago, I now get more enjoyment out of the game when I can play the best character suited for said content.
It's really only you putting that demand on yourself to have those achievements on the same character. Even if it actually doesn't do anything at all.

I've heard people say that ZOS might do something with achievement points, to which I think/hope they'll make them account wide (like they did when they changed Veteran levels into a Champion Point system).

"i have to take my stupidly OP end game magden dps" you don't. You really don't. There's no reason what so ever to do it.
What happens if you Don't take your magden? What is it that you're missing out on?

Mettaricana · November 2020

I do hate this my stam sorc blows through stone gardens and my stamcro castle thorn easy. I'd have the dye by now but of course i cant seem to git gud enough or a team worth it to finish the counterpart dungeon for the dye unlock

iksde · November 2020

Thoragaal wrote: »

Achievement points do nothing. The rewards are account wide (except titles).
There's little to no reason to do all achievements on just one character. In fact, if you do achievements on some other character you'd have more fun, which should be incentive enough.

yes there is reason for us, we are completionist players who want to have 100% done content and this is our motivation to also get better in game to be able beat hardest content in game just to have it completed

when I log on my alt and I see pathetic no achievements or just 5k points of them Im just losing willing to play it when I see at once my 35k+ achievs from my main for which I spent so much time and my power, when I log on my alt with no achievs I just feel empty, powerless when I see literally eveything I have done on my main doesnt count for this character and what I have earned additionally on this alt wont count for my main which doesnt get yet this thing

and no, account wide rewards for achievs are not that matter, like I dont even use most of them and more at all I use personalities from crown store while not using skins etc from content, I treat it just like other achievs, just like collections, I earn them, collect and dont even use most of this at all but Im just collecting it to have it as it is possible to earn, if this is possible to get then why not to get it at all, maybe someday I will use it along with feeling happy for just having it all unlocked which is my main goal - to have earned, unlocked everything what is possible and it is hard and long enough not to have it on single character so why even mention, thing of "empty" alts?

Grandchamp1989 · November 2020

Is there any way to see someone else's achievement other than them linking in chat?

Kredo · November 2020

Cloudtrader wrote: »

This game has the least punishment of any MMO I have ever played for playing alts. This is the most alt-friendly MMO I've ever heard of. I don't understand why you think it's punishing.

which makes the choice to not make achievements account wide even more questionable

Thoragaal · November 2020

iksde wrote: »

Thoragaal wrote: »

Achievement points do nothing. The rewards are account wide (except titles).
There's little to no reason to do all achievements on just one character. In fact, if you do achievements on some other character you'd have more fun, which should be incentive enough.

yes there is reason for us, we are completionist players who want to have 100% done content and this is our motivation to also get better in game to be able beat hardest content in game just to have it completed

when I log on my alt and I see pathetic no achievements or just 5k points of them Im just losing willing to play it when I see at once my 35k+ achievs from my main for which I spent so much time and my power, when I log on my alt with no achievs I just feel empty, powerless when I see literally eveything I have done on my main doesnt count for this character and what I have earned additionally on this alt wont count for my main which doesnt get yet this thing

and no, account wide rewards for achievs are not that matter, like I dont even use most of them and more at all I use personalities from crown store while not using skins etc from content, I treat it just like other achievs, just like collections, I earn them, collect and dont even use most of this at all but Im just collecting it to have it as it is possible to earn, if this is possible to get then why not to get it at all, maybe someday I will use it along with feeling happy for just having it all unlocked which is my main goal - to have earned, unlocked everything what is possible and it is hard and long enough not to have it on single character so why even mention, thing of "empty" alts?

I can understand the "completionist" angle. But what's the difference between completing something on one character and completing something else on a different one? You, the player behind the character, still finished it. The only difference are those points per character.
You can still complete it even if it's spread out through different characters. It honestly (with all respect and sincerity) sounds more like an OCD issue rather than a completionist one.

I like to finish all content too, but an achievement that for example says "clear x-amount of harrowstorms" isn't really content because there's no difference between 10/20 or even 50 harrowstorms; They are the same thing, just done over and over again. Otherwise they could arbitrarily up the requirement to 100 harrowstorms and call it "new content".
Because those achievements are not content then it's also something I don't care to get. Achievements are therefore not necessarily tied to content and being a completionist has little to do with the real achievement; you, the player, actually finishing said content.

Out of curiosity, if there was an achievement that said "Be afk for 24 hours", and once reaching 24 hours it would say "Be afk for a week", and once reaching a week it would say "Be afk for a month", would you do it and would you call that "content for a completionist"? If you wouldn't say that, then where do you draw the line between actual content and my "theoretical garbage example of achievement"?
If you would say that it's "content for a completionist" then I'd say that you're doing more harm than good to yourself and I wonder how much more harm you'd be willing to withstand in order to be "a completionist".

Das_Co · November 2020

I can understand the "completionist" angle. But what's the difference between completing something on one character and completing something else on a different one? You, the player behind the character, still finished it. The only difference are those points per character.
You can still complete it even if it's spread out through different characters. It honestly (with all respect and sincerity) sounds more like an OCD issue rather than a completionist one.

Probably because some players goal ist to gain as much achievementpoints on a single character as possible. It's more satisfying to have like 40k points on one character than 25k + 5k + 5k + 2,5k + 2,5k. At least it would be for me.

Thats why, after i was kinda forced to play as Tank in dungeons and raids, and I normally play my dd in overland-content, I would really appreciate an account-wide overview of my achievement (includes the point counter).
Achievements from one character wouldn't count towards achievements of other characters thought. So that you still need to do the triples in dungeons and other part achievements of a single achievement with one character to get specific achievement. That includes titles. That would be sufficent for me.

I think that would be a solution where noone looses anything, but ppl would get motivation to play different characters.

tmbrinks · November 2020

They should just add into the base UI, what Kyoma's Global Achievements does as an add-on.

It gives the total achievement points that you'd have across all your characters. It does a summary of it. You can also browse your other characters while on a different one to check what achievements you are missing.

You can link achievements from other characters from it, etc...

iksde · November 2020

Thoragaal wrote: »

I can understand the "completionist" angle. But what's the difference between completing something on one character and completing something else on a different one? You, the player behind the character, still finished it. The only difference are those points per character.
You can still complete it even if it's spread out through different characters. It honestly (with all respect and sincerity) sounds more like an OCD issue rather than a completionist one.

as @Das_Co wrote, it is much more satisfying and more sense for us as completionists to have everything in single "bookmark" than split between few if we can have it in single

also for instead of 40k+ in single place and 25k +5k +5k etc etc can be easi dont by doing not to much of hard content and just repeating easy content on these alts to get total even of 50k+ points instead gaining hardly 40k on single character

Thoragaal wrote: »

Out of curiosity, if there was an achievement that said "Be afk for 24 hours", and once reaching 24 hours it would say "Be afk for a week", and once reaching a week it would say "Be afk for a month", would you do it and would you call that "content for a completionist"? If you wouldn't say that, then where do you draw the line between actual content and my "theoretical garbage example of achievement"?
If you would say that it's "content for a completionist" then I'd say that you're doing more harm than good to yourself and I wonder how much more harm you'd be willing to withstand in order to be "a completionist".

I wouldn't say it is an required, hard or worth content but I would have go to complete it for sake of completing to 100% of what is possible and what is need/what is to complete like there is also acheivement from justice system by spending 100k gold for paying fee of our criminal record
it is much gold at all for not big, not special achiev and yet I have completed it like I would complete it if it neede even 500k gold to pay thought it would be just to insane fore most/rest of players who at all doesnt care much about achievs

I will say even as for stupid/grind achievs I could even do them lets say 3-5 times like instead of destroying something 10 times I would do it to destroy 30-50 times if that was counted for account, I would run content 3 times instead of 1 to have it unlocked for account

BXR_Lonestar · November 2020

Honestly, ESO is such a huge game, IDKY they don't have achievements tied to account rather than character. Some content is just not doable on some characters. If your main is a tank, most tanks can't get through Vet Maelstrom without significant reworks to skills/armor/setup.

Rezdayn · November 2020

I agree. Account wide achievements would be nice....

katorga · November 2020

1 crown per achievement point, make them purchaseable in the store.

Just like skyshards, skill lines, etc.

PandaPalace · November 2020

Account wide for selling stolen items to get 1mil and all them monster trophies. So many times I get a monster trophy on a alt that my main needs and I can't store it to give to main.

Raideen · November 2020

katorga wrote: »

1 crown per achievement point, make them purchaseable in the store.

Just like skyshards, skill lines, etc.

LOL, I would not joke about that. When people do, ZOS takes it literally

FlopsyPrince · November 2020

Sinolai wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

A problem with making dungeon achievements account wide would be that we would then have no idea which skill points we have and don't have. And no, I am not paying to buy earned skill points. That was a money-grubbing move in my view.

I don't like running for them for the Nth time, but I tolerate it because the only place I would even consider it would be in Cyrodil.

You can already have the dungeon "cleared" without doing the quest (happened too many times :P ). Luckily there is an addon that tells you if you also remembered to do the quest. But yes, they'd need to make a separate window for skyshard collection tracking and Quest progress.

No addon for me.

That really should be in the game! Show me if I have completed the quest in the dungeon if I select it in the "pick a specific dungeon" list.

No addons on consoles!

FlopsyPrince · November 2020

tmbrinks wrote: »

They should just add into the base UI, what Kyoma's Global Achievements does as an add-on.

It gives the total achievement points that you'd have across all your characters. It does a summary of it. You can also browse your other characters while on a different one to check what achievements you are missing.

You can link achievements from other characters from it, etc...

I would agree with that. Any "vital" addon should be part of the game!

Muttsmutt · November 2020

Starlight_Knight wrote: »

imho achievements should be all or nothing.

i agree with you.
my solution is to simply ignore their existence;
but that's a non-solution, when a player completely ignores one part of the game.

tmbrinks · November 2020

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

They should just add into the base UI, what Kyoma's Global Achievements does as an add-on.

It gives the total achievement points that you'd have across all your characters. It does a summary of it. You can also browse your other characters while on a different one to check what achievements you are missing.

You can link achievements from other characters from it, etc...

I would agree with that. Any "vital" addon should be part of the game!

It's not vital. It just provides an overview of what an "account" wide achievements would look like for your account.

Katheriah · November 2020

I would really like to have the achievements account bound.

I don't mind doing the skyshards and skillines, I do mind that my Templar healer is the one with the most group content achievements, my NB has emp and my Sorc almost has 5 stars in PvP.

I don't want to use the titles and dyes on all chars, I just want the completionist in me to be happy.

Starlight_Knight · November 2020

i guess also its not just the achievements but also the story continuity.
a veteran toon that's already done the main quest or met some of the DLC characters before makes for a better more concise story imho.

FlopsyPrince · December 2020

tmbrinks wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

They should just add into the base UI, what Kyoma's Global Achievements does as an add-on.

It gives the total achievement points that you'd have across all your characters. It does a summary of it. You can also browse your other characters while on a different one to check what achievements you are missing.

You can link achievements from other characters from it, etc...

I would agree with that. Any "vital" addon should be part of the game!

It's not vital. It just provides an overview of what an "account" wide achievements would look like for your account.

OK, "highly useful" then.

The point is that this kind of thing should be in the game itself.

Bakkagami · December 2020

Cloudtrader wrote: »

This game has the least punishment of any MMO I have ever played for playing alts. This is the most alt-friendly MMO I've ever heard of. I don't understand why you think it's punishing.

Guild Wars 2 would like to have a word... I don't think this game is punishing at all but nothing really touches GW2 in how alts are handled.

Nephthys · December 2020

I understand OP's frustration and for those who think that is does not matter which character you complete an achievement on, then think again as here is just one example:

Master Anger - If you had 2 characters and decided to get the fishing achievements for EP, AD & DC + Coldharbour on your PvE character, but decided to do Cyrodiil on your PvP character, you would never have gotten the Master Angler reward of a nice sailing boat. You would only have gotten the dyes for doing your faction.

Many achievement as received for obtaining multiples of previous achievements, so if you start cherry picking which you will do on which character, you are quite simply not going to get the achievement. For completionists, this is an important point.

UGotBenched91 · December 2020

Yes, I agree. I personally don’t understand the argument against account-wide achievements. Does it really matter that a low level character has a “hard” to get title? They earned it with another character who cares it’s words.

iksde · December 2020

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

Yes, I agree. I personally don’t understand the argument against account-wide achievements. Does it really matter that a low level character has a “hard” to get title? They earned it with another character who cares it’s words.

especially when their character already use skins, personalities or mounts or costumes or polymorphs earned from not only vet content but also very hard content on top of veteran which is not avaible for low lvls
not to mention also if you reach again and again this 50lv of your new character people also wont see if this is your new or old characterm they will see your high cp lvl and along with this you should have also gear for this, better or just basic but ths wont decline your skill of playing this game

FlopsyPrince · December 2020

Some people will oppose ANY change to the way things work, even if it is something that later gets changed or is similar to a past change.

actosh · December 2020

I changed my main a month ago from my blade (almost 40k achievements) to my Sorc (currently almost 24k, he startet with around 2k).

I don't like to do it again, but I also don't want to wait for a class change token.

So I took the bitter pill and my goal is to get him to the blades level when eso hits its next birthday event.

So if a class change comes, it will happen when I got my sorc on my nb's achievement level ^^

Btw: zos also said there will be no alliance change.