I am shocked ! The majority of players dont have perfect gears or only few pcs.

volkeswagon · November 2020

I forgot perfected existed. I don't do vet so I don't have a need for it

Kwoung · November 2020

To those who had bad experiences on normal trials, its not like that in a decent guild. We run trial clinics 1-2 times a week in mine and everyone has fun, learns the mechanics, is chill and we yuck it up. We have cleared them all on normal and anyone level 50+ in our guild is allowed to come now, due to the sticker book addition (used to be CP160 for gear sharing). We all trade at the end and most members end up with a full set of trial gear in a couple of runs, which usually only take 45 min to an hour to run each.

Trials can be a lot of fun with the right people and you get to do something new and get gear that is a definite upgrade. Find a friendly guild and you will have a much better experience. Not all guilds that do trials are toxic, although almost every pug group I have joined has had a toxic leader, so I avoid those like the plague.

ccfeeling · November 2020

End game trials are hard and unplugable. Players have to join a progression guild, they cant play what they what atm, the gears, class, role option are limited.

ESO is casual base MMO actually,trial is not the the main reason people pick this game.

bmnoble · November 2020

Probably because most players have no need for perfected gear thus they don't bother farming it.

Unless your chasing score boards or looking to make a perfectly optimized build or get the harder to get achievements in Vet content, there is no real need for perfected gear for most players the normal versions of the sets work just fine.

Even then I know plenty of people who don't bother farming sets from trials, arena's or even dungeons in some cases, they make do with crafted and overland sets, that suits their needs in game just fine.

These days it takes a truly outstanding set to make me farm one in a dungeon or arena, I very rarely bother with trials usually only as a plus 1 if they can't find anyone else in my guilds.

I personally don't find much if any of the vet content to be something I would enjoy enough to make me do it regularly.

DMuehlhausen · November 2020

FatFred wrote: »

I was asking around in main cities, do people gold out their non-perfect gears, as the price of materials is not cheap for a poor player like me, I have to make my decision carefully. They told me that perfected gears are super hard to get, you have to run vtrials with a PvE guild regularly and not always drop the things you want. Some people have been playing ESO for 3-5 years, they don't have perfected gears at all.
Can I just upgrade any sets I like, don't have to save wax for perfect false gods and Relequen

Yeah unless you are in a good guild (12 people isn't a lot for a trial in guilds of 500 people and they are only run once a week) getting perfect gear isn't easy.

Saubon · November 2020

ccfeeling wrote: »

End game trials are hard and unplugable. Players have to join a progression guild, they cant play what they what atm, the gears, class, role option are limited.

ESO is casual base MMO actually,trial is not the the main reason people pick this game.

This is not true, if I'm not counting hardmodes vet trials can be farmed with fairly casual group. Even the most casual group in our guild can clear first two bosses in vSS for gear. Outside of trifecta runs noone cares what class you play. And if someone forces you to play different class/role, just find a better guild

Jayroo · November 2020

Probably because the elitist attitude the vet crowd in this game has.

I'm a tank and I get absolutely crapped on if I don't get everything right to the T. Especially with content I've never done. It's one thing to read about it, but another thing completely to sit and actually do it. That's why if I'm doing new content I need to bring a friend or else I'm just too nervous I'll get far and waste my time getting kicked at the end.

FORGET about DLC vet trials lmfao

ArchMikem · November 2020

FatFred wrote: »

Some people have been playing ESO for 3-5 years, they don't have perfected gears at all.

Because it's a waste of time and emotional stability to get a set with slightly better stats over what you can now get on Normal, less frustrating runs. Many players are not Min/Maxers, we're perfectly fine with "Good enough".

If you're of the same mindset then it's perfectly okay to gold out your imperfect gear. I would, cause I know I'll never be getting the perfect ones.

Scottfree2 · November 2020

Despite the impression u can get here on the forum, that everyone breezes thru vet content, in fact forum members are a tiny percentage of the total player base.

The majority of us, myself included, dont give a hoot about perfect gear, and will never possess a single piece of it.

I rarely gold gear except for weapons, i might add.

Klad · November 2020

If you come to ESO looking for a solid end game, or relevant PVP, you're in the wrong place, and I'm not trying to be obtuse.

PVP end game is something ZoS wanted to do...but there are huge bandwidth issues and has been since launch.
The raiding scene Or "Vet Content" doesn't interest many people because, if you don't raid you don't need the gear that raids drop and you can't go anywhere in the game without tripping over cool looking armor, or you can make it yourself.

ESO is a chill game that attracts players that are interested in Lore and Story, or Role Playing, or completionists.

Some people hold out hope that PVP and Vet content will improve, but I the the vast majority of the community has already shaped the game into what it's become and that made it popular enough for Microsoft to buy so they are doing something right.

AndyMac · November 2020

Tannus15 wrote: »

AndyMac wrote: »

Agree with others - perfected gear offers only a small buff that only competitive raiders need. It’s much, much easier to get non perfected so why not farm that and just be happy with it.

The non perfected are better in some ways because they are so much easier to farm and slot for actual use - which is what matters.

I used and golded False God long well before getting perfected - now the non perfected is on an alt - so no loss at all.

Same in the past, but now that I can reconstruct the perfected gear i'll probably decon all my normal false god and make as many perfected sets as needed

Won't argue that the ability to reconstruct BIS gear is a VERY welcome addition to the game. I don't play my alts much - mostly my mDK main - so it's hard to justify the transmute stones making awesome gear for an alt when I have gold cast offs that I can slot.

I did need a gold precise Mother's Sorrow inferno staff to complete the build though - using the stones and the mats to reconstruct and improve the staff was a total no brainer

Banana · November 2020

I don't do trials. I gold the regular stuff

wolfie1.0. · November 2020

Shantu wrote: »

Most players don't give a hoot about vet trial content. Join any guild that runs vet trial progressions. You'll be surprised at what a small percentage of members actually participate. While I would be interested in exact numbers, in my experience, whether the content is too difficult, they don't have the time and/or desire to perfect skills and theory crafting, or they're just into other things, people chasing perfected gear make up a very minuscule portion of the player base.

I think time plays a part in it as well. I mean someone told me once that some vet trials can take 2 to 3 hours to complete and I was like... ain't nobody got time for that. Much less theres a waiting list for some trial guilds and large requirements...

And I was like .. well when I want to do that content I will just form my own guild for it.. or pay a guild to escort me.

Inklings · November 2020

If you're not doing vet content there is zero reason to gold out anything other then you want to. Squeaking out that few extra dps ir gives ya is irrelevant for clearing normal content.

If you start making more gold and want to get a little frivolous with it, gold out your weapons as that will give ya the most bang for your buck but its not necessary for the content you're doing.

nukk3r · November 2020

Klad wrote: »

The raiding scene Or "Vet Content" doesn't interest many people because, if you don't raid you don't need the gear that raids drop and you can't go anywhere in the game without tripping over cool looking armor, or you can make it yourself.

ESO is a chill game that attracts players that are interested in Lore and Story, or Role Playing, or completionists.

The cool looking motifs drop in vet dungeons and trials, you don't just trip over them.

You're talking about achievements, right? You can't "complete" the game without vet content.

Klad wrote: »

Some people hold out hope that PVP and Vet content will improve, but I the the vast majority of the community has already shaped the game into what it's become and that made it popular enough for Microsoft to buy so they are doing something right.

MS bought ZeniMax Media, the parent company. It had nothing to do with ESO.

etchedpixels · November 2020

If you are not doing the more serious high end veteran content then you don't need perfected gear or even brilliant gear. Nor is awesome gear going to magically make you a great player any more than buying a $5000 guitar is going to make you Jimi Hendrix.

Personally I gold gear when I've run it for a bit and decide I enjoy the way it plays - except jewellery where the game economics are somewhat out of hand. I sell chromium platings and instead have a nice a collection of small houses bought from the proceeds.

JJMaxx1980 · November 2020

I do feel like the model is kind of wonky. In my opinion, by the time you’re good enough to farm perfected gear, you don’t really need it.

Milchbart · November 2020

Faiza wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

There are quite a few people with a deep seated fear of veteran content. Also some people had lucky RNG in normal and terrible RNG in vet so only have the non-perfect version.

Those few people are dwarfed by the number of people who simply have no interest in veteran content, or indeed in "endgame". For many MMORPG players the enjoyment is in the journey rather than the destination, let alone in treating the destination as some sort of competition.

^ This. I did my first vet trial last night and while it was a fun experience, its just not something I'm interested in doing frequently. I have a demanding job and am dedicated ensuring that my playtime in the game is just that..."playtime".

So doing a vet raid hm is not "playtime"? I've done hundreds of hm vet raids and it was always "playtime". Not one of the 12 participants was forced to do it, no one was paid for it and all had a good time.
How does having a demanding job make a vet raid different?
I could understand that if you work in a coalmine but very few do that.
All you have to do is pushing some mouse buttons and keys on your keyboard in a specific order ...

tonne.backlinderb16_ESO · November 2020

Guyle wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Why in the world would anyone wait for perfected gear before they start upgrading sets to gold?

PS: I even have a full set of golden CP160 Trainee gear
PPS: Heck, i even have a golden level 1 Bucket and Broom!

Damnit, I want the bucket and broom

I got them both

MaleAmazon · November 2020

I do feel like the model is kind of wonky. In my opinion, by the time you’re good enough to farm perfected gear, you don’t really need it.

This reminds me of the VMA guides back in the day that required you to already have VMA weapons...

Kwoung · November 2020

nukk3r wrote: »

MS bought ZeniMax Media, the parent company. It had nothing to do with ESO.

ROFL, that gave me a chuckle. Microsoft what, just bought them because they wanted the office building then?

laksikus · November 2020

I almost never gold out gear. The last time i golded gear for pve was in scathing mage meta.

Gold weapons and jewelry is all i have for pve, purple armor is good enough. I also dont own false god in perfect (more for the lack of caring than ability to farm). The difference between perfected and non perfected is small enough, and the difference between gold and purple armor is small enough aswell that i dont care.

But im also a pvp main, pve repeating content is kinda boring for me.

That topic actually reminds me that i probably should finally gold out my Vicious death gear

mobicera · November 2020

If you have the resources, sure just gold away it's a game and hoarding the mats wont really help you when you get bored or frustrated and move on.
As for perfect well yes the people running vet or vet hm trials is relatively small.
However for those that run regularly I highly doubt most bothered with non perfect gear from anything but cloudrest.

FrancisCrawford · November 2020

Golding armor or jewelry gives very little benefit, even in cases where the final set bonus is of a kind that is affected by color (and not all are).

Golding weapons makes a much bigger differece, and on a Level 50 character my weapons are always gold. I've also finally golded some of the monster sets I use most often, and I have one set of Julianos I golded out years ago that I sometimes wear when other set ideas don't seem right.

General_Zeranth · November 2020

In my case yeah I gold out my non-perfected gear even if the increase is minimal. I've tried joining all those progression guilds and such and listened to their every advice trying to bring my character up to snuff to allow me to finally try the Veteran versions for the perfected gear but usually those guilds pitter out or fail for some reason or another, or sometimes they want something ridiculous of me like changing my race to a more meta one to be able to join and work towards the goal.
In this case my Redguard StamSorc to an Orc StamSorc.

Now I understand the meta builds are powerful and that they work for some folks but I just don't have the reflexes as I get older, also due to old injuries and arthritis, to follow some of these builds. That's on me but asking me to out of pocket change my toon's race to suit them is not okay and not going to happen. And yes I could re-roll a new toon and work it up there but is a progression guild really going to wait for me to get all my skill points back on the new meta toon? Not likely.

So I'll subsist with my golded out non-perfect gear till the day comes I find a good stable guild that will take a willing to learn person flawed as I am.

Bit of a rant there sorry.... xD

ForeverJenn · November 2020

Probably cause progression groups can't progress with the constant crashes.

ForeverJenn · November 2020

Jayroo wrote: »

Probably because the elitist attitude the vet crowd in this game has.

I'm a tank and I get absolutely crapped on if I don't get everything right to the T. Especially with content I've never done. It's one thing to read about it, but another thing completely to sit and actually do it. That's why if I'm doing new content I need to bring a friend or else I'm just too nervous I'll get far and waste my time getting kicked at the end.

FORGET about DLC vet trials lmfao

Yeah don't do vets in a PuG. Join a progression guild and hope they don't all quit over the constant crashing.

ecru · November 2020

you don't need any of that stuff for anything besides score runs in vet trials. golding out non-perfected weapons is more than enough for 99.99% of players.

F22nickell · November 2020

Danikat wrote: »

Shantu wrote: »

Most players don't give a hoot about vet trial content. Join any guild that runs vet trial progressions. You'll be surprised at what a small percentage of members actually participate. While I would be interested in exact numbers, in my experience, whether the content is too difficult, they don't have the time and/or desire to perfect skills and theory crafting, or they're just into other things, people chasing perfected gear make up a very minuscule portion of the player base.

That would be me. I'm in two guilds who run trials and I've never even considered joining.

I'm sure I could learn how to do it if I wanted to, but it's not something which interests me, especially not running the same things over and over and over hoping for a specific drop. I'd want to do it once or twice for the story but that's about it and at that point it's not worth the hassle.

But mostly it's the time commitment which puts me off. My free time is very erratic, there's no way I could commit to being online at the same time every week to do trials with a static group. On top of that I only have a few hours each night (and not every day) to play and I'd rather spend that time doing things I enjoy, in my case mainly exploring and doing quests, than rehearsing for trials I'd only want to run once or twice.

I don't mind theory crafting but I'm not interested in the gear treadmill process of developing a build and grinding for gear so I can use it to...grind for slightly better gear, to use to grind for yet more gear. I'd much rather find something which is good enough and stick to using that so I can focus on having fun.

^THIS for me. Couldn't have said it better. Not putting the grind down or anything, to each their own ... Just not my thing.

nukk3r · November 2020

Kwoung wrote: »

nukk3r wrote: »

MS bought ZeniMax Media, the parent company. It had nothing to do with ESO.

ROFL, that gave me a chuckle. Microsoft what, just bought them because they wanted the office building then?

I worded it poorly then. It has nothing to do with ESO alone. It's like saying, MS bought Zeni just because of Dishonored or RAGE. They acquired eight game studios, one of them happened to own an MMO.