You dont like the proc meta?

Waffennacht wrote: »

You dont like the proc meta?

nope, and ive used just about every one of the meta proc sets at this point, it just feels bad.


i think its just the backwards approach of proc set builds. things like arena weapons and sets augment our skills, most sets augment the damage, cost, or recovery, of our skills. the selection of skills, and sets / food / enchants / etc. to augment it creates a build, we cater that build to our personal preferences.

proc sets that deal damage are backwards, as they are not augmented by anything outside of themselves (other then malacath) and thus we cater skills / armor / build around letting procs do their thing.

your not playing, your just supporting procs to do the playing for you. its like sitting in a chair telling little kids how to play a game while you watch.

Wing wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Is it all proc sets or particular ones? Sets from the newest zone? I did a search to try to find out myself and interestingly came across a discussion from two years ago about the “current” proc set meta so I guess it’s cyclical. Then it was evidently the Sload’s set. You would think that instead of going in a circle, it would be more like a spiral, with changes less drastic as a state closer to balanced is approached although probably impossible to ever reach...

if i had to list a couple
-Venomous Smite
-Syvarra's Scales
-Unleashed Terror

etc.

even heal procs like chokethorn are just outrageous.

if you want to win, front bar one proc i listed, back bar another, have malacaths band on, and run chokethorn as your monster set. any class can do okay, but paid classes are still the best, prolly run warden if you really dont want to try.

Oh yeah, from the description, the amount and in some cases area of damage does seem over the top.

All monster sets are proc sets I think. Are only some OP or is it the combinations people have come up with? I was surprised to see you mention Chokethorn as I didn’t think it BiS for anything but kept it for my Warden as it fit with the plant theme. Speaking of, is it just stamina Warden that is OP right now? At least in PvP? I’m not trying to figure out how to maximize on a gimmick or anything like that and I’m a PvP newb besides! I only wonder because I’ve tried various combinations of healing and damage with my magicka Warden in PvE and PvP and haven’t been able to get the hang of it. Especially in PvE, my Templar healer feels better to me, but it could be just what I know best. So either I’m working with something suboptimal or I don’t know how to use what I have — or both!

Interestingly, Alcast doesn’t list proc sets (other than the monster sets and Clever Alchemist, if that counts) for even the PvP builds (looking at BG builds). I wonder why? Besides forum threads, I’d been looking at their builds to know what is currently BiS — not that I’m a meta-chaser by any means — but I try to make informed choices for my builds and try different things.

Sorry for the long ramble!

@Araneae6537 Alcast doesnt list proc sets because he is far more a PvE player; those set ups are more like beginner's builds or are very outdated.

By the true definition of proc sets, yes there are a ton that don't actually fit the profile of being OP. However, players are typically thinking of the prominent sets, such as unleashed terror, 2h vMA combined with stampede.

Or Zaan + Vateshran destro staff etc

As for OP classes, they always change based on sets available, nerfs, and buffs. ATM you will see people saying: WWs are OP, stamden is OP, Magden can be called it, any Proc set up, Necro thews gets called out here and there.

Chokethorn got better when other sets got worse

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Araneae6537 Alcast doesnt list proc sets because he is far more a PvE player; those set ups are more like beginner's builds or are very outdated.

By the true definition of proc sets, yes there are a ton that don't actually fit the profile of being OP. However, players are typically thinking of the prominent sets, such as unleashed terror, 2h vMA combined with stampede.

Or Zaan + Vateshran destro staff etc

As for OP classes, they always change based on sets available, nerfs, and buffs. ATM you will see people saying: WWs are OP, stamden is OP, Magden can be called it, any Proc set up, Necro thews gets called out here and there.

Chokethorn got better when other sets got worse

That makes sense — both about the sets and the classes — thank you! I would ask where you would recommend I look for PvP build info for different classes, but it sounds like right now it would just be “wear this armor”...

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Araneae6537 Alcast doesnt list proc sets because he is far more a PvE player; those set ups are more like beginner's builds or are very outdated.

By the true definition of proc sets, yes there are a ton that don't actually fit the profile of being OP. However, players are typically thinking of the prominent sets, such as unleashed terror, 2h vMA combined with stampede.

Or Zaan + Vateshran destro staff etc

As for OP classes, they always change based on sets available, nerfs, and buffs. ATM you will see people saying: WWs are OP, stamden is OP, Magden can be called it, any Proc set up, Necro thews gets called out here and there.

Chokethorn got better when other sets got worse

That makes sense — both about the sets and the classes — thank you! I would ask where you would recommend I look for PvP build info for different classes, but it sounds like right now it would just be “wear this armor”...

Yes and no, by yes I mean every build I run has at least 1 proc set (because they are just that good and most dont have a target limit) and by no I mean there's still variety and uniqueness to be had.

I have a stam sorc build that is all about bow burst without snipe as an example. It runs way of fire, but is still unique and fun.

Abomination is just that and shouldn't exist

Im also working on another build that ive always wanted to try. Using the SnB ult that makes all of ur SnB abilities free.

IMO, still can be more than X sets (but thats also an option bleh)

I hope ZoS decides to buff stat sets by like 15% and nerf procs by 15%

Vizirith wrote: »

"Proc" sets should never have a guaranteed chance. They basically stop being proc sets and just mean free damage. They should never have been anywhere near the sheer power they are now. It's clearly a case of what looks balanced on paper without factoring in actual pvp at all. If 2 people are fighting, 1 with proc sets and 1 with stat sets, of equal skill/build efficacy, without blocking, dodging, los'ing, out ranging they'd be somewhat balanced. Factoring in any of the aforementioned things slides things towards the proc sets favor.

i would personally like to see proc sets become build augment sets of a fashion like sets should be, procing major / minor buffs or even things like acuity that give augmented windows of effects.

they should not replace you playing.

I hope they at least do a balance pass over the proc sets that are over performing.

For example, why exactly does vMA 2-hander and Unleashed Terror do ~25% more DPS than the average proc? Not to mention the fact they're AOE procs. Pillar of Nirn and Pestilent Host have even more DPS but they're incredibly hard to make use out of so I'm fine with them having more damage when you manage to proc them.