Waffennacht wrote: »You dont like the proc meta?
Araneae6537 wrote: »Is it all proc sets or particular ones? Sets from the newest zone? I did a search to try to find out myself and interestingly came across a discussion from two years ago about the “current” proc set meta so I guess it’s cyclical. Then it was evidently the Sload’s set. You would think that instead of going in a circle, it would be more like a spiral, with changes less drastic as a state closer to balanced is approached although probably impossible to ever reach...
Araneae6537 wrote: »Is it all proc sets or particular ones? Sets from the newest zone? I did a search to try to find out myself and interestingly came across a discussion from two years ago about the “current” proc set meta so I guess it’s cyclical. Then it was evidently the Sload’s set. You would think that instead of going in a circle, it would be more like a spiral, with changes less drastic as a state closer to balanced is approached although probably impossible to ever reach...
if i had to list a couple
-Venomous Smite
-Syvarra's Scales
-Unleashed Terror
etc.
even heal procs like chokethorn are just outrageous.
if you want to win, front bar one proc i listed, back bar another, have malacaths band on, and run chokethorn as your monster set. any class can do okay, but paid classes are still the best, prolly run warden if you really dont want to try.
Magicka Warden is probably among the top Magicka classes right now, but it's generally inferior to its stamina counterpart (which has always been the case). The playstyle in the current proc set meta is basically the same though; stack proc sets and health, and use Arctic Blast/Polar Wind for overpowered healing. And if you want to play a healer in PvP, run the Polar Wind morph while focusing on high health/survivability.Araneae6537 wrote: »Speaking of, is it just stamina Warden that is OP right now? At least in PvP? I’m not trying to figure out how to maximize on a gimmick or anything like that and I’m a PvP newb besides! I only wonder because I’ve tried various combinations of healing and damage with my magicka Warden in PvE and PvP and haven’t been able to get the hang of it. Especially in PvE, my Templar healer feels better to me, but it could be just what I know best. So either I’m working with something suboptimal or I don’t know how to use what I have — or both!
Alcast really isn't a great source for relevant and up-to-date PvP info or builds. Some of the most common offense-oriented proc sets for BGs right now are:Araneae6537 wrote: »Interestingly, Alcast doesn’t list proc sets (other than the monster sets and Clever Alchemist, if that counts) for even the PvP builds (looking at BG builds). I wonder why? Besides forum threads, I’d been looking at their builds to know what is currently BiS — not that I’m a meta-chaser by any means — but I try to make informed choices for my builds and try different things.
Sorry for the long ramble!
Waffennacht wrote: »You dont like the proc meta?
nope, and ive used just about every one of the meta proc sets at this point, it just feels bad.
i think its just the backwards approach of proc set builds. things like arena weapons and sets augment our skills, most sets augment the damage, cost, or recovery, of our skills. the selection of skills, and sets / food / enchants / etc. to augment it creates a build, we cater that build to our personal preferences.
proc sets that deal damage are backwards, as they are not augmented by anything outside of themselves (other then malacath) and thus we cater skills / armor / build around letting procs do their thing.
your not playing, your just supporting procs to do the playing for you. its like sitting in a chair telling little kids how to play a game while you watch.
Waffennacht wrote: »@Araneae6537 Alcast doesnt list proc sets because he is far more a PvE player; those set ups are more like beginner's builds or are very outdated.
By the true definition of proc sets, yes there are a ton that don't actually fit the profile of being OP. However, players are typically thinking of the prominent sets, such as unleashed terror, 2h vMA combined with stampede.
Or Zaan + Vateshran destro staff etc
As for OP classes, they always change based on sets available, nerfs, and buffs. ATM you will see people saying: WWs are OP, stamden is OP, Magden can be called it, any Proc set up, Necro thews gets called out here and there.
Chokethorn got better when other sets got worse
Araneae6537 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »@Araneae6537 Alcast doesnt list proc sets because he is far more a PvE player; those set ups are more like beginner's builds or are very outdated.
By the true definition of proc sets, yes there are a ton that don't actually fit the profile of being OP. However, players are typically thinking of the prominent sets, such as unleashed terror, 2h vMA combined with stampede.
Or Zaan + Vateshran destro staff etc
As for OP classes, they always change based on sets available, nerfs, and buffs. ATM you will see people saying: WWs are OP, stamden is OP, Magden can be called it, any Proc set up, Necro thews gets called out here and there.
Chokethorn got better when other sets got worse
That makes sense — both about the sets and the classes — thank you! I would ask where you would recommend I look for PvP build info for different classes, but it sounds like right now it would just be “wear this armor”...
"Proc" sets should never have a guaranteed chance. They basically stop being proc sets and just mean free damage. They should never have been anywhere near the sheer power they are now. It's clearly a case of what looks balanced on paper without factoring in actual pvp at all. If 2 people are fighting, 1 with proc sets and 1 with stat sets, of equal skill/build efficacy, without blocking, dodging, los'ing, out ranging they'd be somewhat balanced. Factoring in any of the aforementioned things slides things towards the proc sets favor.