What are you talking about? I've literally been farming this all day yesterday and today and I've acquired several blues and purples within a few mins of each other.

today alone I've found 7 blues and 4 purples after farming for 1 hour.
It's all RNG

dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »

What are you talking about? I've literally been farming this all day yesterday and today and I've acquired several blues and purples within a few mins of each other.

today alone I've found 7 blues and 4 purples after farming for 1 hour.
It's all RNG

lol That never happens. 4 purples? The most you can loot on average a day is 2. 7 blues in one hour? They changed the loot table. I farm that place for 8 hours a day every day. I noticed the change immediately after the patch. There are cooldowns that exist on drop rates that give buffed chances to pull something. Something on the loot table was broken or was altered. I should know, this is all i do on a daily basis. And having logged on and looted on 4 different characters after 12-24hs since last looting and getting nothing for two days straight isn't an RNG problem. This is abnormal. I'v b

dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »

What are you talking about? I've literally been farming this all day yesterday and today and I've acquired several blues and purples within a few mins of each other.

today alone I've found 7 blues and 4 purples after farming for 1 hour.
It's all RNG

lol That never happens. 4 purples? The most you can loot on average a day is 2. 7 blues in one hour? They changed the loot table. I farm that place for 8 hours a day every day. I noticed the change immediately after the patch. There are cooldowns that exist on drop rates that give buffed chances to pull something. Something on the loot table was broken or was altered. I should know, this is all i do on a daily basis. And having logged on and looted on 4 different characters after 12-24hs since last looting and getting nothing for two days straight isn't an RNG problem. This is abnormal. I'v been looting that place for two weeks and last patch there was a 100% alteration of loot.

I'm not sure if you're trolling or not.

MajThorax wrote: »

Is there anything people don't complain about anymore?

There is ALWAYS something to complain about.

Anutyr wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

What's really harsh about Bthar-Zel is the pet leads. One week, one drop...total BS.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

https://ibb.co/fkWP35Y

Just completed it today.
Because all i do, is grind Bthar-Zel

How long did that take?

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Anutyr wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

What's really harsh about Bthar-Zel is the pet leads. One week, one drop...total BS.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

https://ibb.co/fkWP35Y

Just completed it today.
Because all i do, is grind Bthar-Zel

How long did that take?

I did mine in about 3 days, in a 5-6 days after release. Got dwarven slayer achievement on a fresh toon, so it was lots of kills. Tho my friend said they've got one lead outside B-Z but from the same humanoid automaton.
If you want to make your farm as comfortable as possible, you need speed buffs. To traverse, to -sadly- beat others to it. Mobs respawn pretty quickly in B-Z, but only if you clear entire structure and not stick to one room. Got about 3 leads from one room with a pond, others from various points.
The biggest problem these mobs have is loot, it's only lootable in like 10 to 15% of the time and most of the time it's trash and no leads.

dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »

Anutyr wrote: »

dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »

What are you talking about? I've literally been farming this all day yesterday and today and I've acquired several blues and purples within a few mins of each other.

today alone I've found 7 blues and 4 purples after farming for 1 hour.
It's all RNG

lol That never happens. 4 purples? The most you can loot on average a day is 2. 7 blues in one hour? They changed the loot table. I farm that place for 8 hours a day every day. I noticed the change immediately after the patch. There are cooldowns that exist on drop rates that give buffed chances to pull something. Something on the loot table was broken or was altered. I should know, this is all i do on a daily basis. And having logged on and looted on 4 different characters after 12-24hs since last looting and getting nothing for two days straight isn't an RNG problem. This is abnormal. I'v b

dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »

What are you talking about? I've literally been farming this all day yesterday and today and I've acquired several blues and purples within a few mins of each other.

today alone I've found 7 blues and 4 purples after farming for 1 hour.
It's all RNG

lol That never happens. 4 purples? The most you can loot on average a day is 2. 7 blues in one hour? They changed the loot table. I farm that place for 8 hours a day every day. I noticed the change immediately after the patch. There are cooldowns that exist on drop rates that give buffed chances to pull something. Something on the loot table was broken or was altered. I should know, this is all i do on a daily basis. And having logged on and looted on 4 different characters after 12-24hs since last looting and getting nothing for two days straight isn't an RNG problem. This is abnormal. I'v been looting that place for two weeks and last patch there was a 100% alteration of loot.

I'm not sure if you're trolling or not.

Not trolling at all.
I also farm plans all day long on 8 toons.
My main literally found 4 purples today less than an hour.

Yes there is a degree of RNG. Been playing for 7 years, so I know what I'm doing.

4 purples in less than an hour? Quite unlikely, but if true, they were dwemer motif pages at best, and maybe one of the usual, old, worthless, khajiit patterns. But don’t make it seem like you got the new dwarven patterns. Maybe 1 if you got real real real lucky, but I highly doubt it.

edit: This thread is about dwarven furnishing plans, not just any random purple and blue pages. Maybe people are talking about different things.

dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »

(...) It's all RNG

^ This. Always this.

There really aren’t that many containers there to loot anyway.

Minyassa wrote: »

Is there something weird they did with these mobs that makes them only drop a lead for one person, or makes having the killing shot absolutely necessary, or some other strangeness? Or do people just not know how tagging works?

You are dealing with people. People can be uninformed, superstitious, inconsiderate, or outright jerks, or some combination of those. Only the "uninformed" can be talked out of behaving like that, and even then they need to believe that you, a random stranger in a game, have the correct information. I have stopped trying to change how people behave unless they are friends or at least guild mates, or possibly fellow victims to a particularly nasty random DLC dungeon who are communicating well and honestly want to clear it despite a lack of experience.

Minyassa wrote: »

TiaFrye wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Anutyr wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

What's really harsh about Bthar-Zel is the pet leads. One week, one drop...total BS.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

https://ibb.co/fkWP35Y

Just completed it today.
Because all i do, is grind Bthar-Zel

How long did that take?

I did mine in about 3 days, in a 5-6 days after release. Got dwarven slayer achievement on a fresh toon, so it was lots of kills. Tho my friend said they've got one lead outside B-Z but from the same humanoid automaton.
If you want to make your farm as comfortable as possible, you need speed buffs. To traverse, to -sadly- beat others to it. Mobs respawn pretty quickly in B-Z, but only if you clear entire structure and not stick to one room. Got about 3 leads from one room with a pond, others from various points.
The biggest problem these mobs have is loot, it's only lootable in like 10 to 15% of the time and most of the time it's trash and no leads.

I don't understand the part about beating others to it. Tagging a mob gives everyone who tags it a chance to get loot and xp and leads from it. I can understanding wanting to optimize your farming time and get more done with the time you have, but I do not understand the competitive stuff I've been seeing in there. I gave up because I was seeing people rush ahead to do their damnedest to kill things before I could even get close enough for a ranged shot, as if my getting a shot in would somehow affect their outcome. Is there something weird they did with these mobs that makes them only drop a lead for one person, or makes having the killing shot absolutely necessary, or some other strangeness? Or do people just not know how tagging works?

It's just hard to understand how tagging works. I grouped this one dude and we both got the lead within seconds of grouping. Called each other good luck charms and went our way.

redlink1979 wrote: »

dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »

(...) It's all RNG

^ This. Always this.

not always, there is really cooldown on purple recipes/motifs which can drop from mobs or container
everyone I know who was atleast once for bigger farming for themselves know, are informed there is cooldonw for such "quality", rare drops when they get single purple recipe they jsut know there is no sense to continue farming for this right now, it is time to stop it and wait like maybe until next time because not everyone have time at all to wait hours just to be able to return to farming

Minyassa wrote: »

TiaFrye wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Anutyr wrote: »

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

What's really harsh about Bthar-Zel is the pet leads. One week, one drop...total BS.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

https://ibb.co/fkWP35Y

Just completed it today.
Because all i do, is grind Bthar-Zel

How long did that take?

I did mine in about 3 days, in a 5-6 days after release. Got dwarven slayer achievement on a fresh toon, so it was lots of kills. Tho my friend said they've got one lead outside B-Z but from the same humanoid automaton.
If you want to make your farm as comfortable as possible, you need speed buffs. To traverse, to -sadly- beat others to it. Mobs respawn pretty quickly in B-Z, but only if you clear entire structure and not stick to one room. Got about 3 leads from one room with a pond, others from various points.
The biggest problem these mobs have is loot, it's only lootable in like 10 to 15% of the time and most of the time it's trash and no leads.

I don't understand the part about beating others to it. Tagging a mob gives everyone who tags it a chance to get loot and xp and leads from it. I can understanding wanting to optimize your farming time and get more done with the time you have, but I do not understand the competitive stuff I've been seeing in there. I gave up because I was seeing people rush ahead to do their damnedest to kill things before I could even get close enough for a ranged shot, as if my getting a shot in would somehow affect their outcome. Is there something weird they did with these mobs that makes them only drop a lead for one person, or makes having the killing shot absolutely necessary, or some other strangeness? Or do people just not know how tagging works?

If people were okay with forming groups for farming there would be no problem. But they don't want, most of the times. And it's either you, or someone else. That's why I suggested some speed buff. It has been like that since system was introduced, sadly. Especially with farming in small areas with limited amount of mobs like BZ or ruins at Stros M'Kay.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

What's really harsh about Bthar-Zel is the pet leads. One week, one drop...total BS.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Oh wow.I farmed all the pet parts in like 2 hours.

50k is a good deal. I can't find them for under 120k on PC NA.

So there goes another 2 million to have all the motif pages again.

I completely agree that whatever is worth a lot drops less since update 26.

RNG is biased. Because when I farm a public dungeon for a specific set, in a 200 item run, i get 20 gloves, 10 shoulders, but only 1 jerkin, or pants, or staff or blade.

And of the favorable traits, i get 1 from the 20 gloves, maybe 2.

Same with all favorable drops.

But trash, i get 150 out of 200 like clockwork.