I am shocked ! The majority of players dont have perfect gears or only few pcs.

FatFred · November 2020

I was asking around in main cities, do people gold out their non-perfect gears, as the price of materials is not cheap for a poor player like me, I have to make my decision carefully. They told me that perfected gears are super hard to get, you have to run vtrials with a PvE guild regularly and not always drop the things you want. Some people have been playing ESO for 3-5 years, they don't have perfected gears at all.
Can I just upgrade any sets I like, don't have to save wax for perfect false gods and Relequen

Vevvev · November 2020

There are quite a few people with a deep seated fear of veteran content. Also some people had lucky RNG in normal and terrible RNG in vet so only have the non-perfect version.

Fennwitty · November 2020

Golding your non-perfect gear can help get you to the level you can join the +difficulty trials to start collecting the perfect gear

Maybe hold off on jewelry but golding armor and weapons isn't too bad costwise.

Araneae6537 · November 2020

I love vet dungeons but trials... we’ll see. So I don’t have any perfected gear, but I do gold everything but my jewelry. For me, the cost is too great for the added benefit, even with the plating passive, etc.

Shantu · November 2020

Most players don't give a hoot about vet trial content. Join any guild that runs vet trial progressions. You'll be surprised at what a small percentage of members actually participate. While I would be interested in exact numbers, in my experience, whether the content is too difficult, they don't have the time and/or desire to perfect skills and theory crafting, or they're just into other things, people chasing perfected gear make up a very minuscule portion of the player base.

nukk3r · November 2020

FatFred wrote: »

I was asking around in main cities, do people gold out their non-perfect gears, as the price of materials is not cheap for a poor player like me, I have to make my decision carefully. They told me that perfected gears are super hard to get, you have to run vtrials with a PvE guild regularly and not always drop the things you want. Some people have been playing ESO for 3-5 years, they don't have perfected gears at all.
Can I just upgrade any sets I like, don't have to save wax for perfect false gods and Relequen

At some point you'll have more golden upgrade mats than you'll have gear to upgrade. Even gilding the jewelry will become trivial.

redspecter23 · November 2020

I'd guess that the vast majority of players would not be capable of farming vet trials for perfected gear unless they are being carried. Maybe 95%+ With that being said, I also believe that plenty of players have perfected gear that would never have that gear if they were in a group entirely composed of players of their skill level.

Remember that there are many play styles. Some people just have little interest in optimal gear. They may not know about or care about any metagame choices. Some of these players may have a huge interest in accumulating gold and materials and use those mats on the gear they do have. A player can have 50 million gold, entire golded out gear sets and none of it is perfected.

Arjuna1696 · November 2020

Gold away! In many cases, the difference perfected gear makes is MUCH smaller than the difference experience / practice / knowledge provide. Especially w/ Relequen - 1k stam just doesn't make that much of a marginal difference compared to golded nonperf Relequen. Getting really good at keeping your stacks up will also boost your dps much more than that 1k stam would.

Sephyr · November 2020

For me, I haven't had much need for them. I know they're better than my sets that I've already farmed out on vet, but given I've retired from raiding all together aside for some fun runs? It just didn't make too much of a difference. I may now because there's the stickerbook, but I'm not looking forward to it.

Tandor · November 2020

Vevvev wrote: »

There are quite a few people with a deep seated fear of veteran content. Also some people had lucky RNG in normal and terrible RNG in vet so only have the non-perfect version.

Those few people are dwarfed by the number of people who simply have no interest in veteran content, or indeed in "endgame". For many MMORPG players the enjoyment is in the journey rather than the destination, let alone in treating the destination as some sort of competition.

WySoSirius · November 2020

Arjuna1696 wrote: »

Gold away! In many cases, the difference perfected gear makes is MUCH smaller than the difference experience / practice / knowledge provide. Especially w/ Relequen - 1k stam just doesn't make that much of a marginal difference compared to golded nonperf Relequen. Getting really good at keeping your stacks up will also boost your dps much more than that 1k stam would.

Must agree here. The little difference from regular to perfected for most content isn't going to impact most players imo

Guyle · November 2020

Golding out any gear really boils down to cost vs value. If you are new or not the wealthiest player, it may not make sense to gold out any gear, regardless of if it is perfected or not. The improvements from golding out gear are generally pretty small, and if you aren't into hardcore pvp or vet content, really not that necessary. That said, a lot of players would gold out non-perfected gear, because getting a complete set of perfected isn't the easiest thing to do. Prior to Elsweyr it was a lot harder to get perfected sets, as the only perfected sets that actually existed came from Asylum Sanctorium and Cloudrest, which are some of the hardest if not THE hardest pieces of group content in the game. Perfected asylum weapons only come from completing vAS+2 or getting a high enough score on the leaderboard when AS is the weekly. The particulars of how different types of gear drop in vCR meant you had to at least clear it on +1 to get more than just perfected weapons, or again weekly leaderboard scores. It would take a long long time to get a full set of perfected gear from the weekly boards. Compound that with the drop rates, meant only a small handful of players were completing perfected sets prior to a year and a half ago. Sunspire and Kyne's Aegis are markedly easier on vet compared to Cloudrest and Asylum Sanctorium, but you still have to contend with the drop rates, so it really isn't that surprising most ppl don't have perfected sets. The extra buff they bring generally isn't worth it to the majority of the playerbase.

SirAndy · November 2020

Why in the world would anyone wait for perfected gear before they start upgrading sets to gold?

PS: I even have a full set of golden CP160 Trainee gear
PPS: Heck, i even have a golden level 1 Bucket and Broom!

El_Borracho · November 2020

Not surprised by this. I couldn't imagine having to farm perfected gear in a pug group.

But at the same time, you don't need perfected gear to get perfected gear. Why wouldn't someone gold out their non-perfected weapons and monster sets, at the very least?

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe · November 2020

Here's the thing. Perfected gear is never, ever a necessity; its only purpose is to push out maximum dps in a min max build. You can still achieve superb dps without it, and indeed, you would only notice a slight difference from the trouble it is to actually farm perfected. (I speak as someone who has perfected gear, tested it, and knows the difference). I would highly, highly suggest farming and golding out the normal sets of Siroria, Relequen, False Gods, etc., because you need them as a stepping stone if you ever do wish to farm the perfected versions.

Guyle · November 2020

SirAndy wrote: »

Why in the world would anyone wait for perfected gear before they start upgrading sets to gold?

PS: I even have a full set of golden CP160 Trainee gear
PPS: Heck, i even have a golden level 1 Bucket and Broom!

Damnit, I want the bucket and broom

gatekeeper13 · November 2020

Perfected gear is not necessary to complete hard content. If you cant complete a vet trial, it's not because your gear is not perfected. It's because you are not skilled enough yet to complete it.

Difference is so minimal it's only useful for scoreboards. For those who care about scoreboards, to be precise.

So, if you want to upgrade your sets to gold, just go for it. Doesnt matter if it's perfected or not.

Faiza · November 2020

Tandor wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

There are quite a few people with a deep seated fear of veteran content. Also some people had lucky RNG in normal and terrible RNG in vet so only have the non-perfect version.

Those few people are dwarfed by the number of people who simply have no interest in veteran content, or indeed in "endgame". For many MMORPG players the enjoyment is in the journey rather than the destination, let alone in treating the destination as some sort of competition.

^ This. I did my first vet trial last night and while it was a fun experience, its just not something I'm interested in doing frequently. I have a demanding job and am dedicated ensuring that my playtime in the game is just that..."playtime".

Juhasow · November 2020

If someone is playing 3-5 years and didn't get perfected gear then he/she was avoiding getting it instead of trying to get it.

Danikat · November 2020

Shantu wrote: »

Most players don't give a hoot about vet trial content. Join any guild that runs vet trial progressions. You'll be surprised at what a small percentage of members actually participate. While I would be interested in exact numbers, in my experience, whether the content is too difficult, they don't have the time and/or desire to perfect skills and theory crafting, or they're just into other things, people chasing perfected gear make up a very minuscule portion of the player base.

That would be me. I'm in two guilds who run trials and I've never even considered joining.

I'm sure I could learn how to do it if I wanted to, but it's not something which interests me, especially not running the same things over and over and over hoping for a specific drop. I'd want to do it once or twice for the story but that's about it and at that point it's not worth the hassle.

But mostly it's the time commitment which puts me off. My free time is very erratic, there's no way I could commit to being online at the same time every week to do trials with a static group. On top of that I only have a few hours each night (and not every day) to play and I'd rather spend that time doing things I enjoy, in my case mainly exploring and doing quests, than rehearsing for trials I'd only want to run once or twice.

I don't mind theory crafting but I'm not interested in the gear treadmill process of developing a build and grinding for gear so I can use it to...grind for slightly better gear, to use to grind for yet more gear. I'd much rather find something which is good enough and stick to using that so I can focus on having fun.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · November 2020

A few things to consider, of course, there is no right or wrong answer.

First the difference between purple and gold equipment matters a lot for weapons, but little for armor/Jewelry (the exception being that it matters a bit more for jewelry if using traits like bloodthirsty or infused).

A very good poor mans way to upgrade is to gold your weapon and all your enchants (Kuta are relatively cheap and you only need one per piece). You get the full benefit of the enchant with a gold glyph on a purple piece.

Second, the difference between the normal and perfected version of a set usually amounts to like 1k magic or similar. It is not going to make or break a build. Unless you are pushing vet trial scores, you wont notice the difference, and if you are pushing vet trial scores, well, you probably have perfected anyways. I have a gold set of Siroria in the bank still that I used before farming my perfected set. If you are actively farming the perfected stuff, I would probably wait, but if you arent, the reality is that you wont notice the difference anyhow.

Third, Gold mats arent that hard to get if you do crafting writs. I dont think twice about golding out gear because I have thousands of gold mats. But Admittedly, if you are new, or havent devoted time to leveling a few alts for writs, that can be an undertaking. That said, if you are in this game for the long haul, you are downright foolish to not have at least half a dozen toons to do writs with. You wont be poor by spring. LOL

If someone deleted my account today (assuming I made a second one), first thing I do is power level one toon of each class and set them up for writs. There is no better way to spend a bit of time each day to be wealthy. I havent needed to do writs consistently in years. They give you everything you need to play at end game. Gold, Crafting Mats, Soul Gems, Repair Kits, etc.

Araneae6537 · November 2020

nukk3r wrote: »

FatFred wrote: »

I was asking around in main cities, do people gold out their non-perfect gears, as the price of materials is not cheap for a poor player like me, I have to make my decision carefully. They told me that perfected gears are super hard to get, you have to run vtrials with a PvE guild regularly and not always drop the things you want. Some people have been playing ESO for 3-5 years, they don't have perfected gears at all.
Can I just upgrade any sets I like, don't have to save wax for perfect false gods and Relequen

At some point you'll have more golden upgrade mats than you'll have gear to upgrade. Even gilding the jewelry will become trivial.

Not when you consider how much you can sell chromium plating for! Without even being in a major trading hub, they sell fast at 125k, meaning that right now the price to gold a jewelry piece is 500k if I remember right (including plating passive because it would be crazy not to). I mean, if there’s nothing you want to buy I guess... The only chromium plating I actually used rather than sold was to make some furnishings so you know where my money disappears to!

zaria · November 2020

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

A few things to consider, of course, there is no right or wrong answer.

First the difference between purple and gold equipment matters a lot for weapons, but little for armor/Jewelry (the exception being that it matters a bit more for jewelry if using traits like bloodthirsty or infused).

A very good poor mans way to upgrade is to gold your weapon and all your enchants (Kuta are relatively cheap and you only need one per piece). You get the full benefit of the enchant with a gold glyph on a purple piece.

Second, the difference between the normal and perfected version of a set usually amounts to like 1k magic or similar. It is not going to make or break a build. Unless you are pushing vet trial scores, you wont notice the difference, and if you are pushing vet trial scores, well, you probably have perfected anyways. I have a gold set of Siroria in the bank still that I used before farming my perfected set. If you are actively farming the perfected stuff, I would probably wait, but if you arent, the reality is that you wont notice the difference anyhow.

Third, Gold mats arent that hard to get if you do crafting writs. I dont think twice about golding out gear because I have thousands of gold mats. But Admittedly, if you are new, or havent devoted time to leveling a few alts for writs, that can be an undertaking. That said, if you are in this game for the long haul, you are downright foolish to not have at least half a dozen toons to do writs with. You wont be poor by spring. LOL

If someone deleted my account today (assuming I made a second one), first thing I do is power level one toon of each class and set them up for writs. There is no better way to spend a bit of time each day to be wealthy. I havent needed to do writs consistently in years. They give you everything you need to play at end game. Gold, Crafting Mats, Soul Gems, Repair Kits, etc.

This, gold out the weapons if you are using the set. Golding out the rest depend on wealth and if you want to keep using the set over time or you are actively seeking the perfected or other sets.

nukk3r · November 2020

Araneae6537 wrote: »

nukk3r wrote: »

FatFred wrote: »

I was asking around in main cities, do people gold out their non-perfect gears, as the price of materials is not cheap for a poor player like me, I have to make my decision carefully. They told me that perfected gears are super hard to get, you have to run vtrials with a PvE guild regularly and not always drop the things you want. Some people have been playing ESO for 3-5 years, they don't have perfected gears at all.
Can I just upgrade any sets I like, don't have to save wax for perfect false gods and Relequen

At some point you'll have more golden upgrade mats than you'll have gear to upgrade. Even gilding the jewelry will become trivial.

Not when you consider how much you can sell chromium plating for! Without even being in a major trading hub, they sell fast at 125k, meaning that right now the price to gold a jewelry piece is 500k if I remember right (including plating passive because it would be crazy not to). I mean, if there’s nothing you want to buy I guess... The only chromium plating I actually used rather than sold was to make some furnishings so you know where my money disappears to!

Usually I don't sell, nor buy golden mats, so they cost me nothing. I don't mean to sound arrogant but 500k isn't really much for me and I'm willing to lose potential profit if I can improve the gear I'll use myself.

VaranisArano · November 2020

My rule of thumb is to gold out gear I intend to be using for a while. My PVP gear and my main PVE tanking sets got golded out. I don't usually follow big swings in the meta, so unless you are score-pushing or really want every edge in PVP, I'd recommend waiting to gold any sets that suddenly become the new meta unless you think ZOS will leave them alone for a couple updates.

My personal "new player regret" was golding out two pieces of Whitestrake's Retribution. It was my starter tank set and, while I really liked it, I just outgrew the need for it as I got more experienced. I still have the gold pieces as a memento.

Waffennacht · November 2020

Not about to try and get 12 peeps together.

If I was in a guild that could do it quickly id go for the gear

But my trial experiences have been really long waits of disappointment. I do not want to spend hours for maybe a few pieces.

Again because Im not in a guild that does such things

Kwoung · November 2020

Interesting thread

To the OP's point, once you have played the game for a couple of months, if you learned how to make gold, which is quite easy actually, golding out your gear is trivial. I gold out gear just to get comparative results when testing new builds, most of which are failures and end up being deconned, even before the sticker book.

As for vet content and the minimal bonus from the gear received from it now, totally not worth it to most players. To elaborate, you can hit 90K DPS in non-perfected gear, it is much more about your build and getting the exact timing down on your rotation. I have guildmates with sub-810 CP in purple gear hitting 75K DPS, which I cannot manage to hit at 810 with gold gear, due to my lack of twitch skills/timing.

Vet content is also a HUGE jump in difficulty in this game in DLC's. So while my casual guild can do all normal trials and vet Craglorn with ease, we get spanked on the first boss in DLC vet trials, as we are not a bunch of high DPSers, and it is not fun to do. It is basically a no-win and a ton of frustration, so we stopped even trying. There are so many other parts of this game that feel rewarding and fun, there is no point in beating your head against a wall.

So yes, the few who can manage to mash their buttons at the exact right millisecond are able to do vet, the rest of us can't, it is how the game was designed unfortunately. Go ahead and upgrade your non-perfected versions, as chances are you will be wearing them for a long time.

cnyanes · November 2020

No no no!! Don't use those fictional materials in a fictional environment on those fictional armors!! You risk going to fictional hell!! Oh sorry, that would be hell, period.

Tannus15 · November 2020

Depends on which perfected gear you're talking about.

Sunspire perfected gear is relatively easy to get, and you can be "carried" a few times while you learn the ropes without messing up a group. I'll happily take people new to trials in there as long as I have a decent portal team and support roles.

Cloudrest is another matter. A +0 clear isn't too difficult as long as you've got 2 solid dps for each portal team and the supports are solid, but that only drops weapons. To get armour you need +1 which means a 3rd tank and the portal gets harder and there is a mechanic that can wipe the group, especially in execute. I don't like taking people in to vCR+1 unless they are already comfortable with the mini mechanics and their DPS is decent.

All the arena / trial weapon sets are either bad in PvE or backbar only which mitigates the usefulness of the perfected bonus anyway.

I'd hold out for perfected sunspire gear if you're in or willing to join a vet trials guild. If you're just pugging I'd gold out non perfected.
Cloud rest just gold the normal gear.

relentless_turnip · November 2020

I have done VMA I think 3 maybe 4 times and have done the new arena twice on vet. I have done both excessively on normal. I am predominantly a PvP player and just want to get my gear and get out. The perfected stat imo is such a small bonus and I don't enjoy replaying the content so it makes no sense to do it on vet. Especially when most the arena weapon I use are back barred. Its a case of the result not justifying the means for me.

SteveCampsOut · November 2020

Tandor wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

There are quite a few people with a deep seated fear of veteran content. Also some people had lucky RNG in normal and terrible RNG in vet so only have the non-perfect version.

Those few people are dwarfed by the number of people who simply have no interest in veteran content, or indeed in "endgame". For many MMORPG players the enjoyment is in the journey rather than the destination, let alone in treating the destination as some sort of competition.

Yeah, I'm more addicted to leveling than I am to "end content"! That's why I now have 3 accounts!