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Ice staff and sword and shield are tank only?
Aertew
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Why are ice staff and sword/shield tank only. I get that the shield is good for tanks but I always loved using sword and shield in games whenever I could just because it was a nice defence and looked cool. Ice staff also seems to have a cool asthetic. Now I could become a tank. But 1. That requires I know what I'm doing when I que in dungeons or trials, and 2. I won't even do DPS, which is what I like. I don't mind healing staff since obviously that is a thing that makes sense. But being able to use those 2 weapons would be great. healers and tanks can already use DPS weapons as a off-hand. I understand, yeah I could use the weapons I want in questing which I will do. But the fact that the game talks about allowing you to play however you want while clearly restricting some things is a bit counter-productive. It would be cool if tanks and healers got their own skill line. Obviously certain classes work better for certain roles so there's that. But allowing anyone to use any weapon rather than saying. No you can't because you lose DPS.
Of course you can say "Well don't do dungeons and trials" but why should I have to avoid the end-game and a good chunk of the game just because I want to use a certain weapon even though the game says I can.
It's just teasing.
Of course you can say "Well don't do dungeons and trials" but why should I have to avoid the end-game and a good chunk of the game just because I want to use a certain weapon even though the game says I can.
It's just teasing.
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Aertew✭✭✭✭You will lose at most 10% of your damage I think, so, not so bad.
Still, in trials and veteran dungeons I dont think people will want you losing DPS. It sucks because I feel like sword and shield looks so cool. Same with ice staff. I hope to mabye use ice staff on my warden and use sword and shield on a templar.0 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You will lose at most 10% of your damage I think, so, not so bad.
Still, in trials and veteran dungeons I dont think people will want you losing DPS. It sucks because I feel like sword and shield looks so cool. Same with ice staff. I hope to mabye use ice staff on my warden and use sword and shield on a templar.
I promise you. As long as you pull your weight people won't complain too much. I will tell you though, 2h looks pretty badass as well, and gives u tons of survivability in it's toolkit in case you need it, some classes even have dps gain from using it over dual wield. (I am currently sucker for the warden class, so much aoe damage
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Aertew✭✭✭✭You will lose at most 10% of your damage I think, so, not so bad.
Still, in trials and veteran dungeons I dont think people will want you losing DPS. It sucks because I feel like sword and shield looks so cool. Same with ice staff. I hope to mabye use ice staff on my warden and use sword and shield on a templar.
I promise you. As long as you pull your weight people won't complain too much. I will tell you though, 2h looks pretty badass as well, and gives u tons of survivability in it's toolkit in case you need it, some classes even have dps gain from using it over dual wield. (I am currently sucker for the warden class, so much aoe damage)
Yeah I want to make a templar and give it a 'Paladin' look with a hammer and shield. Mabye give it a 2-handed hammer or axe on the back?1 -
ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭You will lose at most 10% of your damage I think, so, not so bad.
Still, in trials and veteran dungeons I dont think people will want you losing DPS. It sucks because I feel like sword and shield looks so cool. Same with ice staff. I hope to mabye use ice staff on my warden and use sword and shield on a templar.
In veteran dungeons and solo pve, provided you're the only provider of minor brittle in your group, it's more dps to use double frost than double fire staff as of this patch. it still has a bit of a way to go with trials. but we are getting there.PvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX2 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Use 1 Hand and Shield if you want. Just don't use Puncture in group content unless you are the tank because its a taunt.
Also, that's not what play the way you like means. The Devs most recently described it as: "One of our mantras for ESO is "play the way you want," and in this case, it means any class can fulfill any role (tank, dps, support/healer). ...To be clear, our goal is for every class to be viable, not necessarily optimal, in any role without heavily relying on non-class skill lines."
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/57025
So you certainly can be viable playing with ice staff (it's gotten some improvements) or 1 hand and shield as a damage dealer. That doesn't mean you'll be optimal or that groups will want to have you along if they feel your weapon choices are losing sufficient DPS.2 -
bakthi✭✭✭
You could make a stamina Templar with 2h weapon on the front bar and a bow on the back. That's not really outside the norm. I do like using 2-handers on my stamina characters; when running around solo, Brawler is pretty great. So are most of the rest of the skills, really.You will lose at most 10% of your damage I think, so, not so bad.
Still, in trials and veteran dungeons I dont think people will want you losing DPS. It sucks because I feel like sword and shield looks so cool. Same with ice staff. I hope to mabye use ice staff on my warden and use sword and shield on a templar.
I promise you. As long as you pull your weight people won't complain too much. I will tell you though, 2h looks pretty badass as well, and gives u tons of survivability in it's toolkit in case you need it, some classes even have dps gain from using it over dual wield. (I am currently sucker for the warden class, so much aoe damage)
Yeah I want to make a templar and give it a 'Paladin' look with a hammer and shield. Mabye give it a 2-handed hammer or axe on the back?Army of me:CP810+: Breton Templar healer, Redguard stamina Warden, Imperial DK tank, Altmer magicka Sorceror, Orc stamina Sorceror/werewolf, Nord Necromancer tank, Khajit TG/DB Nightblade, Bosmer stamina Necromancer, Argonian Warden healer, Dunmer magicka DK, Nord Nightblade tank
Second account, CP400+: Breton magicka Warden, Nord Nightblade healer/solo vampire, Bosmer stamina Templar/werewolf, Dunmer magicka Necromancer, Orc stamina DK, Argonian Warden tank0 -
pihlaja✭✭✭In my opinion, ice staff has been made much friendlier for casual playing with the latest patch, with moving the taunt away from the heavy attack and wall not snaring mobs, so go for it if you like. I think thematically it also fits well for wardens, and I’m prepared to run frost backbar on my warden healer for the minor brittle and the “shield” when running with tanks who prefer backbaring lightning staff.
Edit. I also use frost-frost while questing with her. Just for fun...
(but then again, I also wear winterborn on her when questing, so I might not be in a position to recommend anything 
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BXR_Lonestar✭✭✭✭✭
✭I happen to have a Jorvulds Ice Staff on my new Warden Healer, so I was playing around with proccing shields last night, and it was pretty fun. I'm thinking that I'll probably run Ice Staff on my healers now for the extra defensive capabilities, as my group's tank runs lightning staff back bar, so my lightning staff is a bit duplicative.
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Recapitated✭✭✭✭DPS as a role only makes sense in a group context where you have someone acting as a meat shield for you. The whole point is to drop your defenses so you can go full damage.
SNB makes perfect sense on damage-dealing builds in PVP for this reason. If you made it viable on PVE DPS it would create problems in pvp.0 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You will lose at most 10% of your damage I think, so, not so bad.
Still, in trials and veteran dungeons I dont think people will want you losing DPS. It sucks because I feel like sword and shield looks so cool. Same with ice staff. I hope to mabye use ice staff on my warden and use sword and shield on a templar.
I promise you. As long as you pull your weight people won't complain too much. I will tell you though, 2h looks pretty badass as well, and gives u tons of survivability in it's toolkit in case you need it, some classes even have dps gain from using it over dual wield. (I am currently sucker for the warden class, so much aoe damage)
Yeah I want to make a templar and give it a 'Paladin' look with a hammer and shield. Mabye give it a 2-handed hammer or axe on the back?
Idk, in my head anything that has a shield, paladin or not, is fighting the bosses head to head (and not hitting it from safety while flailing around the shield) so it doesn't make sense to me to have a sword and board damage dealer build for group content. That's why big hammer brawler makes a lot more sense to me. I can see your issue with bow backbar though, and it is sad that bow/dual wield in backbar is much better for PvE, can't have a full brawler kinda feel without losing damage.0 -
itscompton✭✭✭✭✭
✭I can say it's a great weapon to use for the solo arena's now. Between the shield from heavy attacks and the ranged shield from WoE I was able to swap Pale Order for Malacath's in a few of the boss fights in vVH and keep myself healed with only sweeps.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You will lose at most 10% of your damage I think, so, not so bad.
Still, in trials and veteran dungeons I dont think people will want you losing DPS. It sucks because I feel like sword and shield looks so cool. Same with ice staff. I hope to mabye use ice staff on my warden and use sword and shield on a templar.
I expect there are casual guilds that would permit it a S&B build. Especially for normal trials since they are fairly easy. I expect the frost staff would be even more acceptable given the recent changes. Regardless, with both, you cannot use the taunt because then you would be tanking.0 -
MellowMagic✭✭✭✭You can run snb dps if you want, jabs will still be way better then powerslam so maybe just use heroic slash for the ult gain occasionally. You just cant expect one sword and a shield to provide more damage then two swords. Warden dps with an ice staff is pretty viable now.0 -
Starlight_Whisper✭✭✭✭✭
✭You will lose at most 10% of your damage I think, so, not so bad.
Still, in trials and veteran dungeons I dont think people will want you losing DPS. It sucks because I feel like sword and shield looks so cool. Same with ice staff. I hope to mabye use ice staff on my warden and use sword and shield on a templar.
I promise you. As long as you pull your weight people won't complain too much. I will tell you though, 2h looks pretty badass as well, and gives u tons of survivability in it's toolkit in case you need it, some classes even have dps gain from using it over dual wield. (I am currently sucker for the warden class, so much aoe damage)
I remember when bow/bow used to a joke. Then people made it work.0 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Starlight_Whisper wrote: »You will lose at most 10% of your damage I think, so, not so bad.
Still, in trials and veteran dungeons I dont think people will want you losing DPS. It sucks because I feel like sword and shield looks so cool. Same with ice staff. I hope to mabye use ice staff on my warden and use sword and shield on a templar.
I promise you. As long as you pull your weight people won't complain too much. I will tell you though, 2h looks pretty badass as well, and gives u tons of survivability in it's toolkit in case you need it, some classes even have dps gain from using it over dual wield. (I am currently sucker for the warden class, so much aoe damage)
I remember when bow/bow used to a joke. Then people made it work.
I wanna do a bow bow with the new arena weapon, but the bow just won't drop
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Starlight_Whisper✭✭✭✭✭
✭Starlight_Whisper wrote: »You will lose at most 10% of your damage I think, so, not so bad.
Still, in trials and veteran dungeons I dont think people will want you losing DPS. It sucks because I feel like sword and shield looks so cool. Same with ice staff. I hope to mabye use ice staff on my warden and use sword and shield on a templar.
I promise you. As long as you pull your weight people won't complain too much. I will tell you though, 2h looks pretty badass as well, and gives u tons of survivability in it's toolkit in case you need it, some classes even have dps gain from using it over dual wield. (I am currently sucker for the warden class, so much aoe damage)
I remember when bow/bow used to a joke. Then people made it work.
I wanna do a bow bow with the new arena weapon, but the bow just won't drop
Sacrifice a goat is the secret0 -
hexentb16_ESO✭✭✭✭Ice staff can still be used for dps. Just like before you just need to be careful that you don't accidentally taunt.0
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Starlight_Whisper✭✭✭✭✭
✭hexentb16_ESO wrote: »Ice staff can still be used for dps. Just like before you just need to be careful that you don't accidentally taunt.
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zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Starlight_Whisper wrote: »Starlight_Whisper wrote: »You will lose at most 10% of your damage I think, so, not so bad.
Still, in trials and veteran dungeons I dont think people will want you losing DPS. It sucks because I feel like sword and shield looks so cool. Same with ice staff. I hope to mabye use ice staff on my warden and use sword and shield on a templar.
I promise you. As long as you pull your weight people won't complain too much. I will tell you though, 2h looks pretty badass as well, and gives u tons of survivability in it's toolkit in case you need it, some classes even have dps gain from using it over dual wield. (I am currently sucker for the warden class, so much aoe damage)
I remember when bow/bow used to a joke. Then people made it work.
I wanna do a bow bow with the new arena weapon, but the bow just won't drop
Sacrifice a goat is the secret
I managed without! I don't like the new arena though, the more I run it the more my tactics change to nukefest.0 -
MirandaSharp✭✭✭✭It's all about what armor you wear. Just use medium armor and build for max stamina, weapon damage and crit chance and you'll dps just fine with sword and shield. Just stay away from pierce armor to avoid taunting.
Alcast made a sword and shield build for vateshran arena lately, maybe you can take a look at his build as a base?
On the other hand people may think you're joking or queued using the wrong role when they see you with a shield as dps... As they say: -The proof is in the pudding, right? So if you can just do the job, who cares what gear you use...0 -
Icy_Waffles✭✭✭✭✭You will lose at most 10% of your damage I think, so, not so bad.
Still, in trials and veteran dungeons I dont think people will want you losing DPS. It sucks because I feel like sword and shield looks so cool. Same with ice staff. I hope to mabye use ice staff on my warden and use sword and shield on a templar.
I promise you. As long as you pull your weight people won't complain too much. I will tell you though, 2h looks pretty badass as well, and gives u tons of survivability in it's toolkit in case you need it, some classes even have dps gain from using it over dual wield. (I am currently sucker for the warden class, so much aoe damage)
Yeah I want to make a templar and give it a 'Paladin' look with a hammer and shield. Mabye give it a 2-handed hammer or axe on the back?
I made a Templar for questing- 2H back bar and sword and board front bar- the dash etc. I wouldn’t do serious content with him as it’s not nearly as viable- even 10% damage loss is huge.
It does sort of suck- but it is what it is.0 -
TheRealDrRat✭✭Of course not. The sword and board only used as a secondary accessory on tanks; in its true form, the sword and board is the strongest of weapons. Go to menu, activity finder, battlegrounds, and random battleground - once you get through the tediously long load screen you will then witness the power, might, and potential of the true form of the sword and board: the PVP META!
Quit whining dude, go use a bow or some ***. Tanks rarely get any exciting updates in this game, in fact all they've seen this year are a pocket full of nerfs and now you want them to further nerf tanking for your personal benefit? Get out of here, just play the damn game how it is. Either that or take a break from the game your thinking way too much about it.0 -
CaptainVenom✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hm, so long as you have a taunt and a way to protect yourself from getting killed, you should be able to use any weapon. However, your tank job will be easier with 1-h & Shield or Frost Staff.
If you intend to do DPS with 1-h, you can do it. Power Slam may work as a spammable if you want, but you'll need to rely on AoE skills as well, such as class skills (which not all classes got a reliable AoE, such as Sorcerer), 1-h Deep Slash, Soul Splitting Trap, Caltrops, etc. It may a little unorthodox, but it should work. Just don't use Puncture if you're DPS, since it will remove Tanks taunt and make boss angry at you lolEdited by CaptainVenom on November 20, 2020 11:59AM🌈 Ride with Pride🌈
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MindOfTheSwarm✭✭✭✭✭
✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »You will lose at most 10% of your damage I think, so, not so bad.
Still, in trials and veteran dungeons I dont think people will want you losing DPS. It sucks because I feel like sword and shield looks so cool. Same with ice staff. I hope to mabye use ice staff on my warden and use sword and shield on a templar.
In veteran dungeons and solo pve, provided you're the only provider of minor brittle in your group, it's more dps to use double frost than double fire staff as of this patch. it still has a bit of a way to go with trials. but we are getting there.
Fellow Ice Waifu spitting truth as always
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