Doubt magicka sorcerer PvP build

RammsteinRko · April 2020

Hi everyone.
I have a question, I have been following an Alcast build for the Sorcerer Magicka PVP called Streak. (I don't know if I can put the link here)

He says he has Setup: Shacklebreaker - Bright Throat's - Blood Spawn, and attributes: 45k Magicka, 25k Health, 14k Stamina.

And I have the same Setup: 34k Magicka, 11k Health, 12k Stamina.

How is that possible? the only difference is that I have the same team in Epic, and he imagines that in Legendary. But that wouldn't explain the 15K Health difference.

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Thank you very much for reading me !!

Paramundo · April 2020

Did you spend your CP the same way? Did you use Buff-Food? Did u use Tristat Glyphs?

Daffen · April 2020

You might not have a buff-food active and you might not have unlocked all the undaunted passives (increases max health mag and stam by 2% for each individual armor type you are wearing, max 6%) in the build alcast uses double bloody mara.

Unified_Gaming · April 2020

Cyrodiil/ pvp gives 5k hp do test that. Alternatively use my build which is updated and tested extensively.

https://youtu.be/uFlzFk4WxN0

I use it in bgs, Cyrodiil and duels well

RammsteinRko · April 2020

Paramundo wrote: »

Did you spend your CP the same way? Did you use Buff-Food? Did u use Tristat Glyphs?

Daffen wrote: »

You might not have a buff-food active and you might not have unlocked all the undaunted passives (increases max health mag and stam by 2% for each individual armor type you are wearing, max 6%) in the build alcast uses double bloody mara.

Hello!
The truth is that I currently have 300CP only, but since they are not active in the BG, I thought it was not so important.

In catching him will he have active buff-food? I did not have them.
Is it possible then so much difference of health for the CP and buff-food?

Thanks for answering!!

RammsteinRko · April 2020

Unified_Gaming wrote: »

Cyrodiil/ pvp gives 5k hp do test that. Alternatively use my build which is updated and tested extensively.
https://youtu.be/uFlzFk4WxN0

I use it in bgs, Cyrodiil and duels well

The video looks very good !!

I like it

Paramundo · April 2020

I am pretty sure that alcast has Buff-Food and Cyrodiil-Buff active as Unified-Gaming said. Dependig on the food used that makes a difference of 7 to 10 k health.

Add things like undaunted passive and Tristat Glyphs and u have an explanation for the 15k.

Unified_Gaming · April 2020

RammsteinRko wrote: »

Unified_Gaming wrote: »

Cyrodiil/ pvp gives 5k hp do test that. Alternatively use my build which is updated and tested extensively.
https://youtu.be/uFlzFk4WxN0

I use it in bgs, Cyrodiil and duels well

The video looks very good !!

I like it

Thanks man and if you need further help just shout

Paramundo · April 2020

Unified_Gaming wrote: »

RammsteinRko wrote: »

Unified_Gaming wrote: »

Cyrodiil/ pvp gives 5k hp do test that. Alternatively use my build which is updated and tested extensively.
https://youtu.be/uFlzFk4WxN0

I use it in bgs, Cyrodiil and duels well

The video looks very good !!

I like it

Thanks man and if you need further help just shout

I also liked your video. Clear explanation and clearly adviced with the sidebar-information. Well done, sir. As a MadDk this will also help me fighting MagSorcs. ;-)

itscompton · April 2020

Unified_Gaming wrote: »

Cyrodiil/ pvp gives 5k hp do test that. Alternatively use my build which is updated and tested extensively.
https://youtu.be/uFlzFk4WxN0

I use it in bgs, Cyrodiil and duels well

Hi, can you explain how you're coming up with your damage mitigation numbers?

jaws343 · April 2020

Also, if you are using Bright Throat, you have to have a drink buff or you miss out on the extra stats from the 5 piece bonus of the set.

Erissime · July 2020

is there ANY magicka sorc that actually works in practice? I'm tired sick of light armours with high magicka which theoretically is supposed to do damage - in stead all I find are bloody immortals who barely take any damage at all ( yeah I got as high as 45k with bright throat and alifq and other tweaks) - and all I Do is die from mix blades attacks - what is WRONG with this class? All the insta skills are useless and the ones which MAY make a difference are sooooo slow that we die before we cast it (or while at it anyhow) . Idk what the past of it is ( new player here) - but currently it is very frustrating. And adding heavy armours and 2 handed (which SEEM to be the only actually working - around it) cripples it completely.

Dracane · July 2020

Erissime wrote: »

is there ANY magicka sorc that actually works in practice? I'm tired sick of light armours with high magicka which theoretically is supposed to do damage - in stead all I find are bloody immortals who barely take any damage at all ( yeah I got as high as 45k with bright throat and alifq and other tweaks) - and all I Do is die from mix blades attacks - what is WRONG with this class? All the insta skills are useless and the ones which MAY make a difference are sooooo slow that we die before we cast it (or while at it anyhow) . Idk what the past of it is ( new player here) - but currently it is very frustrating. And adding heavy armours and 2 handed (which SEEM to be the only actually working - around it) cripples it completely.

Because they only implement those 10% of fight against very bad people in those montages in which they win. They as well die or fail all other times. Magsorc is simply not the god class that youtubers and forumeers would like you to believe. Me and my partner we remove Magsorcs during the event like it was nothing. It is the easiest class to kill and they have no damage to back it up.

In all honesty, Sorcerer is alright when you build them very tanky with sword and board and shield stack and a lot of sustain. You can of course not kill anyone other than the worst of plebs. Where Magsorc shines is smallscale; when they have someone to protect them. Then they can make actual use of their range to produce persistent damage.

But for solo it's very much useless and helpless. Absolute bottom tier. (mainly thanks to light armor being too weak and them having no % mititgations like other classes)

Major_Lag · July 2020

Erissime wrote: »

is there ANY magicka sorc that actually works in practice? I'm tired sick of light armours with high magicka which theoretically is supposed to do damage - in stead all I find are bloody immortals who barely take any damage at all ( yeah I got as high as 45k with bright throat and alifq and other tweaks) - and all I Do is die from mix blades attacks - what is WRONG with this class? All the insta skills are useless and the ones which MAY make a difference are sooooo slow that we die before we cast it (or while at it anyhow) . Idk what the past of it is ( new player here) - but currently it is very frustrating. And adding heavy armours and 2 handed (which SEEM to be the only actually working - around it) cripples it completely.

Forget about heavy armor on a magsorc, at least if you want to be able to kill anyone who isn't a complete potato - certainly not if you are playing solo or in a small group.
Of course using heavy can work perfectly fine in the large Cyrodiil zergs - but then again, the barrier to entry there is really really low, so that is pretty much par for the course.

You say you are a new-ish player - do you have a good understanding of how ESO PvP works on a mechanical level?
Long story short, you will never be able to kill a decent player in 1v1 unless you can either burst them or DoT them to death. And magsorc doesn't have access to any DoTs worth mentioning (delayed burst "pseudo DoTs" notwithstanding), so really you need to set up a solid burst.

Also, never underestimate the importance of line of sight. Streak can be used not only offensively but also defensively, to quickly duck behind cover and heal or reapply buffs.

Unified_Gaming · July 2020

itscompton wrote: »

Unified_Gaming wrote: »

Cyrodiil/ pvp gives 5k hp do test that. Alternatively use my build which is updated and tested extensively.
https://youtu.be/uFlzFk4WxN0

I use it in bgs, Cyrodiil and duels well

Hi, can you explain how you're coming up with your damage mitigation numbers?

The damage reduction values include cp and the minor protection and potenates. These are multiplicative btw - the usep build calculator shows the mitigation values for you which is an easier to see it. Hope that helps.

EmEm_Oh · July 2020

Dracane wrote: »

Erissime wrote: »

is there ANY magicka sorc that actually works in practice? I'm tired sick of light armours with high magicka which theoretically is supposed to do damage - in stead all I find are bloody immortals who barely take any damage at all ( yeah I got as high as 45k with bright throat and alifq and other tweaks) - and all I Do is die from mix blades attacks - what is WRONG with this class? All the insta skills are useless and the ones which MAY make a difference are sooooo slow that we die before we cast it (or while at it anyhow) . Idk what the past of it is ( new player here) - but currently it is very frustrating. And adding heavy armours and 2 handed (which SEEM to be the only actually working - around it) cripples it completely.

Because they only implement those 10% of fight against very bad people in those montages in which they win. They as well die or fail all other times. Magsorc is simply not the god class that youtubers and forumeers would like you to believe. Me and my partner we remove Magsorcs during the event like it was nothing. It is the easiest class to kill and they have no damage to back it up.

In all honesty, Sorcerer is alright when you build them very tanky with sword and board and shield stack and a lot of sustain. You can of course not kill anyone other than the worst of plebs. Where Magsorc shines is smallscale; when they have someone to protect them. Then they can make actual use of their range to produce persistent damage.

But for solo it's very much useless and helpless. Absolute bottom tier. (mainly thanks to light armor being too weak and them having no % mititgations like other classes)

Every class is a YouTube God Class. Everyone has the better build.

Until you actually try it.

I disagree with your assessment on sorcs. I can't kill everyone, and I don't expect to, but I hold my own in Cyro.

Sorcs are actually a good support class as well. You and your partner weren't fighting properly dps-spec sorcs. Put me up against a Templar, yeah I get rekt rather quick with jab spamming, but if I'm with a partner who is also a sorc, it's a hell of a wipefest. I've been on the other end of a dual-sorc team wreaking havoc on another faction. Same goes with 2 Templars running around and not dying.

So basically what I'm saying is, once again, it comes down to the individual build, but shouldn't be used as a general statement about that class.

Dracane · July 2020

EmEm_Oh wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Erissime wrote: »

is there ANY magicka sorc that actually works in practice? I'm tired sick of light armours with high magicka which theoretically is supposed to do damage - in stead all I find are bloody immortals who barely take any damage at all ( yeah I got as high as 45k with bright throat and alifq and other tweaks) - and all I Do is die from mix blades attacks - what is WRONG with this class? All the insta skills are useless and the ones which MAY make a difference are sooooo slow that we die before we cast it (or while at it anyhow) . Idk what the past of it is ( new player here) - but currently it is very frustrating. And adding heavy armours and 2 handed (which SEEM to be the only actually working - around it) cripples it completely.

Because they only implement those 10% of fight against very bad people in those montages in which they win. They as well die or fail all other times. Magsorc is simply not the god class that youtubers and forumeers would like you to believe. Me and my partner we remove Magsorcs during the event like it was nothing. It is the easiest class to kill and they have no damage to back it up.

In all honesty, Sorcerer is alright when you build them very tanky with sword and board and shield stack and a lot of sustain. You can of course not kill anyone other than the worst of plebs. Where Magsorc shines is smallscale; when they have someone to protect them. Then they can make actual use of their range to produce persistent damage.

But for solo it's very much useless and helpless. Absolute bottom tier. (mainly thanks to light armor being too weak and them having no % mititgations like other classes)

Every class is a YouTube God Class. Everyone has the better build.

Until you actually try it.

I disagree with your assessment on sorcs. I can't kill everyone, and I don't expect to, but I hold my own in Cyro.

Sorcs are actually a good support class as well. You and your partner weren't fighting properly dps-spec sorcs. Put me up against a Templar, yeah I get rekt rather quick with jab spamming, but if I'm with a partner who is also a sorc, it's a hell of a wipefest. I've been on the other end of a dual-sorc team wreaking havoc on another faction. Same goes with 2 Templars running around and not dying.

So basically what I'm saying is, once again, it comes down to the individual build, but shouldn't be used as a general statement about that class.

Sorcerer can only wreak havoc on bad players. Sorcerer damage is the easiest to avoid and hard counter. In fact, no other class has as many hard counters against it. Almost all your damage can be reflected and nullified by shimmering shield and wings or ball of lightning. Other classes can purge your curse and eliminate your entire combo. Since they are usually forced to build for a lot of sustain and tankiness, even that which gets through is barely a threat.

I highly doubt any good player could ever die to a magicka sorcerer, at least the majority of classes. Unless you are a DK without wings or a nightblade without teleport shade, you have nothing to fear from this class. Templar on the other hand has no real counters. Everything is undodgeable, unreflectable and they have the finest gap closer of all. This class can wreak havoc, for nothing can stop its offensive kit. Sorcerer on the other hand has no momentum at all. Way too many counters exist.

Erissime · September 2020

Alright, I have had a bit more runs with said sorc, and I see apparently they were a pretty bad class as I notice since the last update things too have improved, and I can actually hold my own a lot more decently in pvp. And no, I haven't improved, either my built nor my skill ( didn't play that much pvp since my last post) - but thanks all for giving me a much more realistic view of that class ( and a lot more like what I was experiencing for real)- than all those rather intimidating youtube-builds and things I've tried to find online in order to better myself, but at least it doesn't feel so very much frustrating anymore to wield 2 staves and a light armour ( indeed the right one for such a class). So thank you again - and my apologies for the complaints. I remain still rather new to it, and I guess there are no real ... "gods" in pvp. One lives and dies while trying to do their best. Cheers and happy gaming everyone!

GrimTheReaper45 · September 2020

Also been having a hard time getting my magsorc updated since ive came back to the game. Tired out a few build and it never seems to fall into a good place, either I have enough damage to actually have a noticeable impact on a player but I cant survive or im doing decent with surviving but i can line up burst combos over a several minute fight and none of them ever seem to make a dent in the person im fighting health.

universal_wrath · September 2020

Magicka sorcer used to be the strongest class of all, but I gyess there were many nerfs to it and buffs to other classes as well as new sets to effectly use against sorcs. One of the greastest nerf of magicka sorcer in my opinion is that most of its important skills scale with max magicka and some with both max magicka and health like pets and shields. If you want to build a magicka sorcerer, you only have 1 build for it. Build the highest max magicka pissible so sets like ancient grace, necropotence, alfiq, abd bright throats are almost exculsivly used by magicka sorcerer. Other classes can mix and match with spell damage sets as well as proc sets, if you try to do that on magicka sorcerer you severly effect its shields and pets.

Another thing is speed which was signture of both magicka abd stamina sorcerer, but now every class has access to major expedtion and some sort of gap closer to keep up with the speed and streaks of magicka sorcerer. Also new buffed steed mundus and newly interduced wild hunt ring are sub nerf to magicka sorcerer.

Another point would probably be the newly buffed proc sets and malacth ring which made it very hard for everyone to survive.

Another point is their sustain is related to max stamina via dark conversion.

Last point is healing and shields nerfs, sorcerer do not have any healing modiefiers and compensated for the twilight high tooltip, but it was reduced 2 or 3 times I believe. First time would be the overall 60% healing reduction. Second is that twilight now scale with both max mag8cka and spell damage. Also thing and I could be wrong on that is that it had its tooltip reduced in latest patch. Shields also capped of both max health and magicka in weird way.

To wrap up, magicka sorcerer needs to build up fir max magicka, stamiba, health and spell damage at the same time. I could be wring on that as ut has been a while since I played PvP on my magsorc.

hirins · September 2020

i use mag sorc only in cp pvp... sustain is what makes sorc alive, dark conversion and streak has become game changer. so stamina the issue, i for example use monster mask with stamina regen + very important to remember (not always works) is to understand that streak is really something that will surprise enemy.. if facing group of opponents when they chase you: shield + healing + turn around (dodge roll if enough stamina), streak trough them, + attack (curse, frags if proc, spammable..), pick 1 target, if it works good!!!, after dark conv, shield, healing and again streak, attack... works in theory, in practise often different story.... mag sorc is really squishy and i straggle myself with ideas how to overcome it, i use bloodspawn monster, i have shields on both bars.. still super hard to fight against dk, stam wardens, even stam sorcs... against templars doable, night blades with detection pot doable, necros duable.. im thinking about sword and board, but there are no viable heals, as pets are nerfed for max magica build atm

DeepElf · November 2020

Don't listen to those who underestimate Sorcerer class. Try use daedric mines (5 volatile Daedric mines around you), haunting curse. As ultimate you can use fighter guilds ultimate Dawnbreaker of Smiting. After using that you can attack with Crystal Fragments and Mages' Fury skills. And of course you should use two of this shields: Harness magicka, hardened ward, healing war

It's so good when you get used. I have been playing sorcerer since years and it's quite good charecter. I'm almost always in top of the team in battlegrounds and sometimes second. I get 20-30 kills sometimes. At least like 10. And many assists as well.

As dueling also it's good. I use mage's light (Radiant Magelight) which Increases the radius of the reveal. You and nearby allies cannot be stunned from sneak attacks while slotted. Reduces the cost as the ability ranks up. So as it's written it's super useful against sneak attacks. Combined with daedric mines I can say surprise attacks on me becomes surprise for the attacker actually lol.

So you should check all sets in eso by yourself. You should discover the skills by yourself. Check the morphs and read carefully about what they do.

UrbanMonk · November 2020

Most of the comments from *Exp Players* here have one thing in common...USED TO. Sorcs were strong no doubt. But that was a different age. Now you can still build them strong but they are not God tier anymore. But then you can be much worse...*mag cough blade cough...*

I main a magden while I play other classes too except a Magsorc but going against them is not what it used to be.

@RammsteinRko - Alcast builds are ok to start with but they won't take you very far. As you get experience you should focus on your own playstyle and improve your setup accordingly. Builds from @Unified_Gaming are very balanced and more importantly updated instead being ages old. I'd no doubt reccomend them.

DeepElf · November 2020

UrbanMonk wrote: »

Most of the comments from *Exp Players* here have one thing in common...USED TO. Sorcs were strong no doubt. But that was a different age. Now you can still build them strong but they are not God tier anymore. But then you can be much worse...*mag cough blade cough...*

I main a magden while I play other classes too except a Magsorc but going against them is not what it used to be.

@RammsteinRko - Alcast builds are ok to start with but they won't take you very far. As you get experience you should focus on your own playstyle and improve your setup accordingly. Builds from @Unified_Gaming are very balanced and more importantly updated instead being ages old. I'd no doubt reccomend them.

I'm playing since 2016 so I think I'm not unexperienced player by the way.
Just let people enjoy whatever class they wanna play.
There is no God class or no God Race.
A player with better build and skills can easily defeat so called "god classes or races"

UrbanMonk · November 2020

DeepElf wrote: »

UrbanMonk wrote: »

Most of the comments from *Exp Players* here have one thing in common...USED TO. Sorcs were strong no doubt. But that was a different age. Now you can still build them strong but they are not God tier anymore. But then you can be much worse...*mag cough blade cough...*

I main a magden while I play other classes too except a Magsorc but going against them is not what it used to be.

@RammsteinRko - Alcast builds are ok to start with but they won't take you very far. As you get experience you should focus on your own playstyle and improve your setup accordingly. Builds from @Unified_Gaming are very balanced and more importantly updated instead being ages old. I'd no doubt reccomend them.

I'm playing since 2016 so I think I'm not unexperienced player by the way.
Just let people enjoy whatever class they wanna play.
There is no God class or no God Race.
A player with better build and skills can easily defeat so called "god classes or races"

@DeepElf -Not trying to be rude, but time is irrelevant as to experience. I know players playing since and before launch and more than 1200 CP, but I'd not call them experienced when it comes to any form of competitive PvE or PvP.

Regarding the term "GOD TIER" it simply signifies, certain class/race/gear combination are Stronger than the counterparts in a certain scenario at a certain time, which keeps changing from patch to patch.

But again same combo of Class/Race/Gear can not be expected to perform similar in unexperienced hands. So this "GOD TIER" terminology exists and does not at same time...