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Minor Brittle is overriden by other sources of minor maim
GaianSpirit
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https://www.esologs.com/reports/n8QhHxmA1GafvX4y#fight=last
https://www.esologs.com/reports/jQZhJqLdyz7GFDtV#fight=last
in these logs you can see that when minor maim from Heroic Slash is applied Minor Brittle is also removed, this results in very low uptimes of the minor brittle in real combar situations
https://www.esologs.com/reports/jQZhJqLdyz7GFDtV#fight=last
in these logs you can see that when minor maim from Heroic Slash is applied Minor Brittle is also removed, this results in very low uptimes of the minor brittle in real combar situations
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Stinkyremy✭✭✭✭✭Lmao. Both debuffs that the tank will have access to but you can;'t have them both,
How did they mess up frost staff so bad. Why won't they just listen to the community.15 -
SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Stinkyremy wrote: »How did they mess up frost staff so bad. Why won't they just listen to the community.
You must be new here ...
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Calm_Fury✭✭✭✭✭Stinkyremy wrote: »How did they mess up frost staff so bad. Why won't they just listen to the community.
You must be new here ...
Hahaha, perfect summary...
They broke animations this patch, which is crucial for combat. Breaking a new status effect is nothing in comparison.7 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well, look at the positive side, even if you are forced to drop minor main, it is not that good anymore.4 -
Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭That's a very annoying find. This isn't much of a deal when you have Frost/Frost magwarden in your group since he applies Chilled very very often. But can cause very low uptimes if using alternative sources of Minor Brittle such as 1-bar frost staff tanks or healers.0 -
Starlight_Whisper✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stinkyremy wrote: »Lmao. Both debuffs that the tank will have access to but you can;'t have them both,
How did they mess up frost staff so bad. Why won't they just listen to the community.
It's mysterious...how testing is done. It couldn't just be players on pts right?0 -
GaianSpirit✭✭✭Olupajmibanan wrote: »That's a very annoying find. This isn't much of a deal when you have Frost/Frost magwarden in your group since he applies Chilled very very often. But can cause very low uptimes if using alternative sources of Minor Brittle such as 1-bar frost staff tanks or healers.
Yeah I tried iceden in vAS+2 and vSS and in both cases the overall uptime was just 30 % because of Heroic Slash and there were also NBs running Dark Shade. Currently in this state it is not worth it trying to keep up minor brittle0 -
CaffeinatedMayhem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Stinkyremy wrote: »Lmao. Both debuffs that the tank will have access to but you can;'t have them both,
How did they mess up frost staff so bad. Why won't they just listen to the community.
Listen to the community, why would devs do that?
In all seriousness, "listening" to the community caused a lot of issues in earlier times. However, the ice staff debacle is so far the worst. Mostly because my favorite DPS class was nerfed to the point of only existing to provide a buff.0 -
FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Prediction: This will be in the minority of bugs that is actually fixed quickly. It just feels like the sort of thing that is due to a simple error, easy to find and remedy.Edited by FrancisCrawford on November 5, 2020 3:49PM1 -
GaianSpirit✭✭✭Starlight_Whisper wrote: »Stinkyremy wrote: »Lmao. Both debuffs that the tank will have access to but you can;'t have them both,
How did they mess up frost staff so bad. Why won't they just listen to the community.
It's mysterious...how testing is done. It couldn't just be players on pts right?
This test was done on live server. Its not mysterious, if you know how to read logs you'll see in the first test that tank is using Frozen Watcher (applies chilled while blocking) and applying minor brittle with a 80 % uptime. In test 2 the tank is using Heroic slash while blocking for the first 50 % and then using Heroic Slash, not blocking for 5 secs, then blocking on repeat. Everytime Slash is used minor brittle is removed and in the second half minor brittle is reapplied when minor maim from Slash runs out, roughly0 -
GaianSpirit✭✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »Prediction: This will be in the minority of bugs that is actually fixed quickly. It just feels like the sort of thing that is due to a simple error, easy to find and remedy.
yeah but fixing rp bugs first is more important, like portals and achievments0 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Minor brittle only on frost staff is a bad idea to begin with. It should just apply on frost status effect, chilled basically.
Frost is already generally behind other elements in terms of dps, and frost staff should have never been for tanking to begin with.
It's literally called destruction staff, my hunch is that they were lazy, so instead of improving the dps potential of lighting and especially frost, they took the least popular choice and convert it to a tanking weapon.2 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Minor brittle only on frost staff is a bad idea to begin with. It should just apply on frost status effect, chilled basically.
100% agree, if you want to make a weapon more damage viable you should give it damage buffs. Changing all chilled to proc minor brittle will be inline with lightning concussion, and then make ice staff get x1.5 or x2 the bonus from chilled, so it would balance a bit lower than fire staff.2 -
JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Minor brittle only on frost staff is a bad idea to begin with. It should just apply on frost status effect, chilled basically.
100% agree, if you want to make a weapon more damage viable you should give it damage buffs. Changing all chilled to proc minor brittle will be inline with lightning concussion, and then make ice staff get x1.5 or x2 the bonus from chilled, so it would balance a bit lower than fire staff.
There are also other things to keep in mind, one of the reasons why fire staff is so dominant is because of how blockade synergizes for dps.
I would say, that they need to do something similar for lighting and frost to make them competitive.
Burning already does more damage, but then you throw 20 % extra damage with wall, and it's basically impossible to catch up.
At least for sorc and warden the go to staff choice should be frost and lightning respectively, i am tired of seeing fire only.2 -
Itzmichi✭✭✭✭✭@ZOS_GinaBruno Are you guys aware of this issue? I mean the thread been around for like 6 days now and you guys still didn't reply to it.Here, have a chill pill 💊!2 -
UtopianWarrior88✭✭✭I would like to also see this acknowledged - will this be dealt with in the next patch?2 -
QQKimchi✭I'd like to see this acknowledged as well. I've done several tests with a friend using minor main and checking brittle uptimes on a dummy.
Experiments were conducted using my friend's heroic slash, while I was supplying brittle using an infused frozen weapon enchant, icestaff backbar with a charged ice staff front bar.
Results are as follows
Minor brittle uptimes on one cast of wall of elements is 100% without the usage of low slash.
Minor brittle uptimes is reduced to 0% with the usage of low slash.
Logs can be found here
https://www.esologs.com/reports/4NrwnaxkpQTFm7RZ/#fight=1&type=auras&spells=debuffs&by=target2 -
GaianSpirit✭✭✭@ZOS_GinaBruno several of us want a confirmation this is being worked on or atleast been added to the list of priorities2
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Zymcio✭✭✭Patch 6.2.7
Still not working i mean with shadow image no problem but with heroic slash = rip
it can only work with heroic slash if the debuff from heroic slash near end like 3s down.1 -
ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Minor brittle only on frost staff is a bad idea to begin with. It should just apply on frost status effect, chilled basically.
100% agree, if you want to make a weapon more damage viable you should give it damage buffs. Changing all chilled to proc minor brittle will be inline with lightning concussion, and then make ice staff get x1.5 or x2 the bonus from chilled, so it would balance a bit lower than fire staff.
There are also other things to keep in mind, one of the reasons why fire staff is so dominant is because of how blockade synergizes for dps.
I would say, that they need to do something similar for lighting and frost to make them competitive.
Burning already does more damage, but then you throw 20 % extra damage with wall, and it's basically impossible to catch up.
At least for sorc and warden the go to staff choice should be frost and lightning respectively, i am tired of seeing fire only.
they could reduce the damage of burning, while also reducing the over the top bonus of flame blockade down to something like 12% or 10%. That could probably work.PvE Frost Warden Main and teacher. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX0 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Minor brittle only on frost staff is a bad idea to begin with. It should just apply on frost status effect, chilled basically.
100% agree, if you want to make a weapon more damage viable you should give it damage buffs. Changing all chilled to proc minor brittle will be inline with lightning concussion, and then make ice staff get x1.5 or x2 the bonus from chilled, so it would balance a bit lower than fire staff.
There are also other things to keep in mind, one of the reasons why fire staff is so dominant is because of how blockade synergizes for dps.
I would say, that they need to do something similar for lighting and frost to make them competitive.
Burning already does more damage, but then you throw 20 % extra damage with wall, and it's basically impossible to catch up.
At least for sorc and warden the go to staff choice should be frost and lightning respectively, i am tired of seeing fire only.
they could reduce the damage of burning, while also reducing the over the top bonus of flame blockade down to something like 12% or 10%. That could probably work.
Didn't mag get enough nerfs this patch? Slow down
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ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Minor brittle only on frost staff is a bad idea to begin with. It should just apply on frost status effect, chilled basically.
100% agree, if you want to make a weapon more damage viable you should give it damage buffs. Changing all chilled to proc minor brittle will be inline with lightning concussion, and then make ice staff get x1.5 or x2 the bonus from chilled, so it would balance a bit lower than fire staff.
There are also other things to keep in mind, one of the reasons why fire staff is so dominant is because of how blockade synergizes for dps.
I would say, that they need to do something similar for lighting and frost to make them competitive.
Burning already does more damage, but then you throw 20 % extra damage with wall, and it's basically impossible to catch up.
At least for sorc and warden the go to staff choice should be frost and lightning respectively, i am tired of seeing fire only.
they could reduce the damage of burning, while also reducing the over the top bonus of flame blockade down to something like 12% or 10%. That could probably work.
Didn't mag get enough nerfs this patch? Slow down
doesn't mean we can't buff them in other areas as well.PvE Frost Warden Main and teacher. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX0 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »Minor brittle only on frost staff is a bad idea to begin with. It should just apply on frost status effect, chilled basically.
100% agree, if you want to make a weapon more damage viable you should give it damage buffs. Changing all chilled to proc minor brittle will be inline with lightning concussion, and then make ice staff get x1.5 or x2 the bonus from chilled, so it would balance a bit lower than fire staff.
There are also other things to keep in mind, one of the reasons why fire staff is so dominant is because of how blockade synergizes for dps.
I would say, that they need to do something similar for lighting and frost to make them competitive.
Burning already does more damage, but then you throw 20 % extra damage with wall, and it's basically impossible to catch up.
At least for sorc and warden the go to staff choice should be frost and lightning respectively, i am tired of seeing fire only.
they could reduce the damage of burning, while also reducing the over the top bonus of flame blockade down to something like 12% or 10%. That could probably work.
Didn't mag get enough nerfs this patch? Slow down
doesn't mean we can't buff them in other areas as well.
Nowdays I just hope they fix things instead of balance swings, since they suck at balancing.2
