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Do you prefer old frost staff for tanking? Or the one after the changes?
zvavi
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I made the post in the wrong section again, so editted to something more appropriate, discuss 
Edited by zvavi on November 13, 2020 11:17PM 0
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Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Don't forget to use the Support search tool every once in awhile, @zvavi.
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zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Taleof2Cities thanks mate, I posted in the wrong subforum again, obviously the help in zos's section didn't help. I have tried these solutions to the extreme. Creat exception for launcher? I creat exception for the whole folder. Remake the program data folder? Reinstalled the game. Stop using VPN? I didn't. So ye.
On the discussion's new title, I prefer the old ice staff tbh. I prefer the snare and lower cost on wall much more than the projectile shield, and the bigger shield on a heavy attack, is much less useful than the taunt imo. U get 17% hp more shield, but lose a gcd+resources to taunt.3 -
AcadianPaladin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Liked and used old ice staff. Now use lightning staff since I do not like the ice staff changes. To me, the beauty of the ice staff was a ranged taunt without having to slot a skill. The price was a 'casting time' for the heavy attack but, to me, it was well worth it. New ice staff has nothing I want.PC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo5 -
Aertew✭✭✭✭AcadianPaladin wrote: »Liked and used old ice staff. Now use lightning staff since I do not like the ice staff changes. To me, the beauty of the ice staff was a ranged taunt without having to slot a skill. The price was a 'casting time' for the heavy attack but, to me, it was well worth it. New ice staff has nothing I want.
What if you were DPSing? Then DPS cant use ice staff. Also doesnt that mean it was too powerful since all the tanks would use Ice staff?0 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AcadianPaladin wrote: »Liked and used old ice staff. Now use lightning staff since I do not like the ice staff changes. To me, the beauty of the ice staff was a ranged taunt without having to slot a skill. The price was a 'casting time' for the heavy attack but, to me, it was well worth it. New ice staff has nothing I want.
What if you were DPSing? Then DPS cant use ice staff. Also doesnt that mean it was too powerful since all the tanks would use Ice staff?
1. Ice staff is still not leaning towards dps.
2. A lot of tanks still preferred lightning.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭My magden dps used frost staff on front bar and resto on back bar. It was very easy to learn how / when to intentionally bring a boss to me or to never taunt if I didn't want too.
Frost heavy attack: Only when I specifically wanted a WB to stay put instead of run all over the place chasing squishies when there was no tank around. I never ever taunted a foe away from a tank who was holding aggro on a boss. Having this 'free' taunt came in handy often enough to enjoy the flexibility but not enough to justify wasting a slot for taunt.
Resto heavy attack: To restore magicka. No reason to ever use the frost staff for this purpose since the resto does it better.
My actual dk main tank ran s&b front and either s&b, lightning or frost staff on back. Even for my tank the only advantage of the frost staff was freeing up a slot. So, with that advantage gone now, my tank won't run a frost staff anymore at all.
Edited by AcadianPaladin on November 15, 2020 12:10PMPC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I prefer the new version. It was a slow and clunky taunt anyway and this change makes frost staff a more viable option for healers as well.
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✭✭New. It isn't perfect but its slightly better.
The CC removal didn't really bother me. Adds that can be CC'd I would chain in and they would get cleaved to death. Bosses were immune so /shrug.0 -
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✭I like the new. It fits my play style better. I like the strong shields from heavy attacks and the distance combo taunt/root.Giraffon - Beta Lizard - For the Pact!0 -
Dragonredux✭✭✭✭✭Honestly it would be in a good spot if they moved the taunt to Elemental Susceptibility and gave a cost it would at least compete with Inner Fire instead of Inner Fire being better in every way.
Sure losing free resources + taunt sucks but considering how many enemies knock you around and interrupt your heavy, I honestly don't mind. This also prevents new players from stealing your aggro or at least mitigate as there is less likely people using frost clench than people using a standard game mechanic.0 -
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✭Visually I find staff using tanks an abomination. Who ever heard story of a tank with a staff...0 -
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✭playing with using it from a healer now it doesn't taunt but buffs and shields - not sure yet. Biggest problem is the horrible in your face animation that stops you seeing what is going on when it's used. Never really liked it much when tanking but that's probably more lack of skill with it and the range of warden skills for debuffing.
Edited by etchedpixels on November 18, 2020 7:01PMToo many toons not enough time0 -
Lowbowski5✭✭I love the new changes because now im not worried if I see a dps throwing heavy attacks with a ice staff
it adds access to another taunt earlier than you can probably get the undaunted inner fire , however the way I tank (resto/sword and shield) I've been using inner fire for a long time and its nice to switch my resto to a Masters Ice staff when the group has enough survivability. This way I can bump my damage up by 1000 just from taunting, if you use a infused staff with a weapon damage glyph.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I still prefer the lightning staff over the frost staff for the back bar. I do not find the changes made, nor the previous design, of the frost staff beneficial enough to use for tanking.
As long as the frost staff is restricted by being part of a damage weapon line I think it will remain a novelty for those who want to magicka tank. In reality, that is fine.0 -
Wyrd88✭✭✭✭I'm still running with lightning. Actually, I'm now using frost over lightning even less then before changes.
You won't get any decent uptime on brittle with it anyway, frost blockade lost it's snare which was the part of the reason to use frost over lightning, I still don't want to waste my magika on blocking, and shield is too situational, so it's almost on the border of uselessness.
So, lightning>frost even more then before.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I prefer the old ice staff, but more than anything, I don't like the visual shield of the new ice staff, it's too intrusive.0