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new macs with 64 bit arm processors
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any plans for ESO to support apple's new M1 chips? I def want to buy a new mac mini but i def want to run ESO on it. I know rosetta 2 runs intel based chip games but i havent a means to test eso on on the new mac mini. TombRaider has been reported to run well on it but i dont klnow if that is a 32 bit game or 64. Someone has experience with the new M1 mac minis? Is eso 32 bit or 64 bit?
Edited by linuxlady on November 18, 2020 6:44AM 0
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linuxlady✭✭✭✭Gattopardo wrote: »https://elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/59187
"All of this puts a burden on software developers like ZOS to port their products to the new architecture. It is a huge undertaking to port a product as old, large, and complex as ESO to a new CPU, with no certain outcome of success. Because of these factors, we will not be porting ESO to run on the new ARM-based Macs."
Meanwhile WoW got native Silicon support today ...
Guess i may have to check out WOW2 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭I think it is right , because if some one decided to use mobyle processor on pc, it is no point to port game on mobiles than.
Apple did the same with Flash some time ago, i am glad that they get the same now.
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linuxlady✭✭✭✭Overall, the M1’s GPU starts off very strong here. At both Normal and High settings it’s well ahead of any other integrated GPU, and even a discrete Radeon RX 560X. Only once we get to NVIDIA’s GTX 1650 and better does the M1 finally run out of gas.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested/3
graphics as good as an rx 560 is nothing to sneeze at..1 -
linuxlady✭✭✭✭i have an rx 570 so if i bought the mac mini it would be a little less capable than my current desktop0
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Stadia will ACTUALLLY MAKE SENSE NOW ;DDDDDDD
For mac users :DD
Not just for them - as well for those refusing to update to windows 10 - like me. Most newer games are just supporting DX12 and no longer DX11 - so I'm basically stranded with windows 8.1 in regards to new AAA games - could still update though or use stadia instead - I'm just not doing it now, because Google's new services had a tendency in the past to just poof - so I'll wait and see first. And if the new Mac will be a success is questionable as well - wouldn't be the first time that Apple would have to drop a project, which tried to reach too far out.Edited by Lysette on November 18, 2020 7:35AM2 -
linuxlady✭✭✭✭Yah i thought stadia might be a good idea but theres no addons i dont think i could play this game without addonsEdited by linuxlady on November 18, 2020 7:33AM1
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✭✭✭✭✭Yah i thought stadia might be a good idea but theres no addons i dont think i could play this game without addons
Actually I enjoy the game so much more since I have stripped my game from all add-ons. Those automated stuff too much and any sense of exploration was lost. But then again I found myself to use less and less HUD support in games to enhance my gaming experience - so I appreciate how light the original ESO HUD design is - not in my way, when I just want to explore and providing me with just those few information, which I currently need at a time - ESO light HUD design is helping immersion.Edited by Lysette on November 18, 2020 7:40AM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yah i thought stadia might be a good idea but theres no addons i dont think i could play this game without addons
Actually I enjoy the game so much more since I have stripped my game from all add-ons. Those automated stuff too much and any sense of exploration was lost. But then again I found myself to use less and less HUD support in games to enhance my gaming experience - so I appreciate how light the original ESO HUD design is - not in my way, when I just want to explore and providing me with just those few information, which I currently need at a time - ESO light HUD design is helping immersion.
I've never played ESO or any other TES game with add-ons or unofficial mods-- although that statement gets a bit iffy when it comes to Skyrim SE due to the Creation Club, except I think of those as "officially-offered" add-ons. When I watch Twitch and see streamers running around with all those ginormous pointers to nodes and chests, or immersed in PvP and PvE battles with all those extra displays cluttering up the screen, I have a hard time understanding why people like all that stuff getting in the way of seeing the actual game world. But to each their own.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!2 -
Eedat✭✭✭✭✭First of all, no. It's already officially confirmed that they're will be zero ARM support from Zenimax for ESO. Second, don't get a Mac for gaming. They are legitimately dumpster tier gaming machines. And that's not to simply bash Mac. Mac designs them to be work stations, not gaming machines. Mac isn't in the business of making machines with the raw processing power needed for gaming. A $1200 PC tower will run laps around a $3000 Mac at specifically gaming. Third, you are going to lose support for A LOT of games by getting an ARM Mac. Most of which will lose support permanently.
That's Mac's game. Forced exclusivity. If you need a Mac for other things, you're pretty much SOL. If you don't need it and gaming is your priority, PC is by far the better choice. It's not even a remotely close comparison.
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Maxx7410✭✭✭✭First of all, no. It's already officially confirmed that they're will be zero ARM support from Zenimax for ESO. Second, don't get a Mac for gaming. They are legitimately dumpster tier gaming machines. And that's not to simply bash Mac. Mac designs them to be work stations, not gaming machines. Mac isn't in the business of making machines with the raw processing power needed for gaming. A $1200 PC tower will run laps around a $3000 Mac at specifically gaming. Third, you are going to lose support for A LOT of games by getting an ARM Mac. Most of which will lose support permanently.
That's Mac's game. Forced exclusivity. If you need a Mac for other things, you're pretty much SOL. If you don't need it and gaming is your priority, PC is by far the better choice. It's not even a remotely close comparison.
and many times is better a PC to work than a MAC haha mac only wins in hardware design (in appearance)Edited by Maxx7410 on November 18, 2020 5:48PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭First of all, no. It's already officially confirmed that they're will be zero ARM support from Zenimax for ESO. Second, don't get a Mac for gaming. They are legitimately dumpster tier gaming machines. And that's not to simply bash Mac. Mac designs them to be work stations, not gaming machines. Mac isn't in the business of making machines with the raw processing power needed for gaming. A $1200 PC tower will run laps around a $3000 Mac at specifically gaming. Third, you are going to lose support for A LOT of games by getting an ARM Mac. Most of which will lose support permanently.
That's Mac's game. Forced exclusivity. If you need a Mac for other things, you're pretty much SOL. If you don't need it and gaming is your priority, PC is by far the better choice. It's not even a remotely close comparison.
and many times is better a PC to work than a MAC haha mac only wins in hardware design (in appearance)
At my job we charge an extra fee if the files were prepared on a pc. Macs are the standard.1 -
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✭✭Not sure why Apple is going back to its roots in this matter but even I can't blame ZoS for not wanting to remake the game around that architecture. You can also expect other companies to come to the same decision since it's just not worth the time and manpower it would take to remake or develop games for it. Bottom line is, nobody should have a Mac for gaming; you save money getting a PC anyway. Macs are really only intended for productivity tasks such as heavy video and photo editing.3 -
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✭✭Finedaible wrote: »Not sure why Apple is going back to its roots in this matter but even I can't blame ZoS for not wanting to remake the game around that architecture. You can also expect other companies to come to the same decision since it's just not worth the time and manpower it would take to remake or develop games for it. Bottom line is, nobody should have a Mac for gaming; you save money getting a PC anyway. Macs are really only intended for productivity tasks such as heavy video and photo editing.
CPU's have been stuck for a decade or more without any dramatic performance improvements. Clock speed is stuck in a narrow range. They can only scale out with cores which has diminishing returns for performance for must individual users. Both Intel and AMD are power hogs...and Apple wants minimal power and cooling requirements.
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linuxlady✭✭✭✭First of all, no. It's already officially confirmed that they're will be zero ARM support from Zenimax for ESO. Second, don't get a Mac for gaming. They are legitimately dumpster tier gaming machines. And that's not to simply bash Mac. Mac designs them to be work stations, not gaming machines. Mac isn't in the business of making machines with the raw processing power needed for gaming. A $1200 PC tower will run laps around a $3000 Mac at specifically gaming. Third, you are going to lose support for A LOT of games by getting an ARM Mac. Most of which will lose support permanently.
That's Mac's game. Forced exclusivity. If you need a Mac for other things, you're pretty much SOL. If you don't need it and gaming is your priority, PC is by far the better choice. It's not even a remotely close comparison.
and many times is better a PC to work than a MAC haha mac only wins in hardware design (in appearance)
At my job we charge an extra fee if the files were prepared on a pc. Macs are the standard.
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✭✭✭✭✭Gattopardo wrote: »https://elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/59187
"All of this puts a burden on software developers like ZOS to port their products to the new architecture. It is a huge undertaking to port a product as old, large, and complex as ESO to a new CPU, with no certain outcome of success. Because of these factors, we will not be porting ESO to run on the new ARM-based Macs."
Meanwhile WoW got native Silicon support today ...
Guess i may have to check out WOWFirst of all, no. It's already officially confirmed that they're will be zero ARM support from Zenimax for ESO. Second, don't get a Mac for gaming. They are legitimately dumpster tier gaming machines. And that's not to simply bash Mac. Mac designs them to be work stations, not gaming machines. Mac isn't in the business of making machines with the raw processing power needed for gaming. A $1200 PC tower will run laps around a $3000 Mac at specifically gaming. Third, you are going to lose support for A LOT of games by getting an ARM Mac. Most of which will lose support permanently.
That's Mac's game. Forced exclusivity. If you need a Mac for other things, you're pretty much SOL. If you don't need it and gaming is your priority, PC is by far the better choice. It's not even a remotely close comparison.
and many times is better a PC to work than a MAC haha mac only wins in hardware design (in appearance)
At my job we charge an extra fee if the files were prepared on a pc. Macs are the standard.
There are some areas where the Mac is the standard, yes. However, PCs are the standard in most of the business world.
Edit: Stadia is an option for playing ESO on apple silicone.Edited by idk on November 18, 2020 7:41PM1 -
linuxlady✭✭✭✭https://www.reddit.com/r/macgaming/comments/jw5ir4/wow_on_m1_macbook_air_4050fps_on_high/
Meanwhile, WOW natively supports mac m1 chips and gets great performance reviews..
https://youtu.be/GTtOf3RHrgo Edited by linuxlady on November 18, 2020 9:59PM1 -
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This is true, however the apple cpu are decent but not amazing, 90% of an cpu is cache and branch prediction anyway.Finedaible wrote: »Not sure why Apple is going back to its roots in this matter but even I can't blame ZoS for not wanting to remake the game around that architecture. You can also expect other companies to come to the same decision since it's just not worth the time and manpower it would take to remake or develop games for it. Bottom line is, nobody should have a Mac for gaming; you save money getting a PC anyway. Macs are really only intended for productivity tasks such as heavy video and photo editing.
CPU's have been stuck for a decade or more without any dramatic performance improvements. Clock speed is stuck in a narrow range. They can only scale out with cores which has diminishing returns for performance for must individual users. Both Intel and AMD are power hogs...and Apple wants minimal power and cooling requirements.
And the gpu is the power hug in games who negate small cpu benefitst.
Now the apple cpu probably work much better on an low performance chromebook setup who would not run serious games anyway because then you need an serious gpu who kills the purpose.
But think Apple don't care much about gaming outside mobile devices there they make money.
On the other hand PS5 and Xbox serial 2 run with an AMD cpu/ gpu , AMD has made huge advantages since PS4 there cpu was slow.
But now performance looks amazing. And they will use this setup and improved versions in laptops.Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
AyeshaBelladonna✭✭✭✭✭Gattopardo wrote: »https://elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/59187
"All of this puts a burden on software developers like ZOS to port their products to the new architecture. It is a huge undertaking to port a product as old, large, and complex as ESO to a new CPU, with no certain outcome of success. Because of these factors, we will not be porting ESO to run on the new ARM-based Macs."
Meanwhile WoW got native Silicon support today ...
Guess i may have to check out WOWFirst of all, no. It's already officially confirmed that they're will be zero ARM support from Zenimax for ESO. Second, don't get a Mac for gaming. They are legitimately dumpster tier gaming machines. And that's not to simply bash Mac. Mac designs them to be work stations, not gaming machines. Mac isn't in the business of making machines with the raw processing power needed for gaming. A $1200 PC tower will run laps around a $3000 Mac at specifically gaming. Third, you are going to lose support for A LOT of games by getting an ARM Mac. Most of which will lose support permanently.
That's Mac's game. Forced exclusivity. If you need a Mac for other things, you're pretty much SOL. If you don't need it and gaming is your priority, PC is by far the better choice. It's not even a remotely close comparison.
and many times is better a PC to work than a MAC haha mac only wins in hardware design (in appearance)
At my job we charge an extra fee if the files were prepared on a pc. Macs are the standard.
There are some areas where the Mac is the standard, yes. However, PCs are the standard in most of the business world.
Edit: Stadia is an option for playing ESO on apple silicone.
Stadia is not an option for Apple users. There is no iOS support.
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Well, WOW is not very demanding, it was not demanding at launch 15 years ago.https://www.reddit.com/r/macgaming/comments/jw5ir4/wow_on_m1_macbook_air_4050fps_on_high/
Meanwhile, WOW natively supports mac m1 chips and gets great performance reviews..https://youtu.be/GTtOf3RHrgo
I guess they just emulated it as in why not.
Edited by zaria on November 18, 2020 10:43PMGrinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭AyeshaBelladonna wrote: »Stadia is not an option for Apple users. There is no iOS support.
You seem to be suggesting that all Apple users are iOS users, which is not true.
However, if you're wanting to run Stadia under iOS, the following might be of interest to you:
https://9to5google.com/2020/11/06/stadia-browser-stadium-iphone-ipad/I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!1 -
Eedat✭✭✭✭✭https://www.reddit.com/r/macgaming/comments/jw5ir4/wow_on_m1_macbook_air_4050fps_on_high/
Meanwhile, WOW natively supports mac m1 chips and gets great performance reviews..https://youtu.be/GTtOf3RHrgo
WoW is 16 years old and can be run on a toaster. You can run WoW on practically anything made in the past 10 years.
What Blizzard does and doesn't bring over is their business. The point is Mac makes it a point to make life absolute hell for developers by switching it's architecture practically on a schedule to force exclusivity. It's not developer's responsibility to buy into Mac's cat and mouse game. The fallout of whatever drops Mac support is 100% on Mac's head, not the game devs.
Also, the M1 chip's performance is equivalent to budget tier GPUs that are almost 5 years old. That's supposed to be impressive in 2020?
Don't buy a Mac for gaming. They are absolutely and utterly atrocious at it. They aren't designed for it. It's like trying to use a screwdriver to drive a nail.5 -
linuxlady✭✭✭✭https://www.reddit.com/r/macgaming/comments/jw5ir4/wow_on_m1_macbook_air_4050fps_on_high/
Meanwhile, WOW natively supports mac m1 chips and gets great performance reviews..https://www.reddit.com/r/macgaming/comments/jw5ir4/wow_on_m1_macbook_air_4050fps_on_high/
Meanwhile, WOW natively supports mac m1 chips and gets great performance reviews..https://youtu.be/GTtOf3RHrgo
WoW is 16 years old and can be run on a toaster. You can run WoW on practically anything made in the past 10 years.
What Blizzard does and doesn't bring over is their business. The point is Mac makes it a point to make life absolute hell for developers by switching it's architecture practically on a schedule to force exclusivity. It's not developer's responsibility to buy into Mac's cat and mouse game. The fallout of whatever drops Mac support is 100% on Mac's head, not the game devs.
Also, the M1 chip's performance is equivalent to budget tier GPUs that are almost 5 years old. That's supposed to be impressive in 2020?
Don't buy a Mac for gaming. They are absolutely and utterly atrocious at it. They aren't designed for it. It's like trying to use a screwdriver to drive a nail.
nobody has a better integrated cpu/gpu on the market today. their arm chips really look to be on par with a ryzen 5 apu but at a fraction of the size and power consumption. They aren't atrocious.... they aren't looking ideal for gaming but they have made a great initial offering on mac and i def look forward to the new mac desktops. presumably they would offer something significantly more powerful than an m1 for a 27inch imac desktop with a 5k or maybe a 6k display...
If they get it working to the point that ios and/or tvos apps are fully integrated and working flawlessly, i could see a mac mini in my future for sure. it would be a bit of a downgrade compared to my current gaming rig but it would also use a whole lot less juice and take up a whole lot less space..
i have to admit that i'd prefer to game with linux but this initial offering from apple is really impressive.Edited by linuxlady on November 19, 2020 12:05AM1 -
linuxlady✭✭✭✭Perhaps after Zeni sees how great these offerings are they may change their mind... give it some time they might come around... though yes i have read that their initial comments yesterday indicate that they a\have no plans currently.... lets hope their plans change.
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Shootsfoot✭✭✭https://www.reddit.com/r/macgaming/comments/jw5ir4/wow_on_m1_macbook_air_4050fps_on_high/
Meanwhile, WOW natively supports mac m1 chips and gets great performance reviews..https://youtu.be/GTtOf3RHrgo
You can't possibly make a fair comparison of WoW's graphics and ESO's graphics.2 -
linuxlady✭✭✭✭Shootsfoot wrote: »https://www.reddit.com/r/macgaming/comments/jw5ir4/wow_on_m1_macbook_air_4050fps_on_high/
Meanwhile, WOW natively supports mac m1 chips and gets great performance reviews..https://youtu.be/GTtOf3RHrgo
You can't possibly make a fair comparison of WoW's graphics and ESO's graphics.
im saying they have wow available natively for mac m1 chipset and eso doesn't. i make no claims beyond that.1 -
linuxlady✭✭✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »AyeshaBelladonna wrote: »Stadia is not an option for Apple users. There is no iOS support.
You seem to be suggesting that all Apple users are iOS users, which is not true.
However, if you're wanting to run Stadia under iOS, the following might be of interest to you:
https://9to5google.com/2020/11/06/stadia-browser-stadium-iphone-ipad/
i checked the app store on my iphone se 2020 version i cant find stadium browser
but i did find stadia available for download. i bet google will be happy to take the money of people running m1 chips for sure
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Shootsfoot✭✭✭Shootsfoot wrote: »https://www.reddit.com/r/macgaming/comments/jw5ir4/wow_on_m1_macbook_air_4050fps_on_high/
Meanwhile, WOW natively supports mac m1 chips and gets great performance reviews..https://youtu.be/GTtOf3RHrgo
You can't possibly make a fair comparison of WoW's graphics and ESO's graphics.
im saying they have wow available natively for mac m1 chipset and eso doesn't. i make no claims beyond that.
And I'm saying there is a reason for that. WoW's graphics are running on a 16 year old engine.3
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