Please help a stupid noob with my magsorc skill bars

OmenRIP · November 2020

Hello (again and again and again...)

As always, TL;DR

I’m now PvE-only CP415 2-pet magsorc with a mixture of 7 MS (I know I know...), 5 Necropotence armor (all armor purple) and two gold MS staffs, 1 inferno with Shock Glyph and a gold quest one with a Weapons Enhancement glyph. Using Mage mundus.

My primary is DD heavy and backup is mostly AOE. Now don’t laugh 😆

Primary

Force Pulse
CA
Hardened Wall
Volatile Familiar
Twilight Matriarch
Destruction Ultimate (non-morphed)

Backup

Crit Surge
Liquid Lightning
Blockade of Storms
Volatile Familiar
Twilight Matriarch
Atronach Ultimate

My strategy is Backup>Crit Surge (and AOE as necessary)>Primary/CA/Hardened Ward, then Force Pulse/Light Attack, etc. until Crit Surge/CA/Hardened Ward runs out. Rinse and repeat.

Now, I have 2 big PS4 problem:

1) Even with the new PlayStation 2-bar add-on, I’m having much trouble (even with practice) changing from primary to backup bars. It seems worse during dolmens and large overland boss fights. Even though I press the new bar to change back to primary, sometimes it doesn’t change. Or, it does change to the Primary bar, but CA won’t work. Very frustrating!

2) Sometimes my other new bar, which is set to tri-potions, clears out, leaving me without potions during the fight. I use these tri’s mainly to get more magicka.

Because of these problems, I want to go to Light/Heavy attack only, so that my 3 buttons can be allocated to primary attack/defense. So, my new setup would be:

Primary

Crit Surge
CA
Hardened Ward
Etc.

Backup

Force Pulse
Crystal Frags
Liquid Lightning
Etc.

I’ll never, ever, EVER get to Mage 10 (I’m at 2 now). Some posts on the web suggest slotting Inner Light, which I can do, but I don’t know where to put it. Also, do I need an AOE? I can put Inner Light there too to keep it up during bar changes.

Am I barking up the wrong tree? Somehow, I have 3 training dummies in my house (Clockwork, vet 1, vet 2), so I can practice any changes until I get them thru my thick skull. But I don’t want to learn button presses then find out that I could have done better.

If you found the time to read this whole post, please respond. I’m at the point now that I want to take this toon to 810 before I start another character. I want to practice my new skills/rotations so I don’t look like an idiot casting Crit Surge 5x in a row before I realize I’m on the Backup bar 😄

gatekeeper13 · November 2020

I cannot help you with improving bar swap cause I play on PC. But I can tell you what I do in my 2pet magsorc, who has a pretty simple roation.

1) Use MS + False God + Maw of the Infernal. nSS is a VERY easy trial to complete so you can farm FG with no problem. You can drop MS for Medusa if you dont want to use CA and slot an AoE there.
2) Get MS precise inferno front bar with fire enchant. Maelstrom inferno backbar infused with weapon dmg enchant. Normal Maelstrom is very easy to complete, perfected in backbar is actually useless imho (drops in veteran).
3) 1bar: Elemental Weapon + Daedric Prey + Fragments + Familiar + Tormentor + Mages Guild Ultimate. If it takes you too long to lvl up Mages, use destruction staff ultimate or Overload temporarily. Good thing with Mages ultimate is that it also provides extra magicka recovery through the passive.

2bar: Wall of Elements, Critic. Surge, CA, Familiar, Tormentor - Atro Ultimate

4) Your spammable will be Elemental Weapon which will benefit from Maelstrom inferno staff and WoE and also proc your Monster set. Daedric Prey and WoE should be up at all times if possible. And ofc have your Surge and CA activated at all times too. (Surge can save you gold from spell power potions). Start with WoE, switch, activate pets, daedric and then elemental till WoE ends. Insert LA between skills.

5) For CP, check Alcast's Magicka sorcerer (also check the rotation there). I am too lazy to experiment with CP so I just used his allocation. It works.

After you make your build, practice on a dummy to learn the rotation. It's a VERY easy and simple rotation that can give you good dps. (I do 70k on trial dummy)

Xynode also has a pretty easy magsorc build you can use.

Recapitated · November 2020

You should spend as little time as possible on the back bar. Why?

1) Your backbar trait should be infused. Wall of Elements, being a weapon ground DOT, ensures that your WD glyph is procced reliably and has maximum uptime no matter which bar you're on. Glyphs are only procced with LAs and weapon abilities. So you don't benefit from spending more time on that bar.

2) Your front bar trait should be something else, precise or sharpened. When you're on the backbar you don't get the benefit of the Shock glyph or the front trait as you don't have a weapon DOT to proc them while you're on the backbar, just light attacks and possibly a spammable. So you lose out from those the more time you spend on the backbar.

3) When you get the Maelstrom staff, which is really easy right now on normal, you'll lose a set bonus on the backbar.

So you should place your least used skills on the back and the most used ones on the front. There are other wrinkles — sorc has a passive that increases stats based on the number of class skills you have slotted, but that is secondary. This reasoning is also why you would out Inner Light/Bound Aegis on the frontbar if using. That's where you need all your juice.

You are better off getting used to that ASAP than unlearning your rotation in the future.

You don't need liquid lightning for most content, just not worth it. So really aside from maybe buffing with CA/Surge the only thing you need from your backbar is Wall. Obviously your pets can be activated on the front bar (Twilight activation is not worth sacrificing a spammable, only do it during downtime).

Get in front of a dummy and practice bar swapping after wall of element. Don't do a rotation, just slot it on both bars in the same slot and practice LA > Wall > Swap. Try to get the animation cancel to be as fast as possible, I.e. one wall per second. Once you know that timing you should be OK. Instead of having a key bind for bar swapping, you can have different keys to switch to different bars. I don't know how practical that is on PS but what it means for me is if I want to be on backbar and I'm not sure which bar I'm on I don't need to look for a visual, I just press my backbar button and either I already was on it or I am on it now. Or vice versa.

Be aware that there is a bug with Daedric Curse that freezes your character visuals. You should be using Curse.

Use Thief or Shadow mundus.

siddique · November 2020

Drop the scamp.

Use tormentor.
Mother's sorrow, False gods, and Zaan/Maw of the Infernal.

Front bar:
Force pulse, crystal fragments, bound aegis/hardened ward, daedric prey, tormentor

Back bar:
Crit surge, channeled acceleration, mystic orb, unstable wall, tormentor

OmenRIP · November 2020

siddique wrote: »

Drop the scamp.

Use tormentor.
Mother's sorrow, False gods, and Zaan/Maw of the Infernal.

Front bar:
Force pulse, crystal fragments, bound aegis/hardened ward, daedric prey, tormentor

Back bar:
Crit surge, channeled acceleration, mystic orb, unstable wall, tormentor

Unfortunately I need the Twilight Matriarch for emergency healing. In addition, playing only solo I’ll most likely never get Mystic Orb.

But thanks for the reply!

Fennwitty · November 2020

OmenRIP wrote: »

I’ll never, ever, EVER get to Mage 10 (I’m at 2 now).

Mage's Guild? That's mainly from collecting books and a little bit you can get for doing Mage's Guild dailies. Using the skills doesn't train it up.

OmenRIP · November 2020

Recapitated wrote: »

You should spend as little time as possible on the back bar. Why?

1) Your backbar trait should be infused. Wall of Elements, being a weapon ground DOT, ensures that your WD glyph is procced reliably and has maximum uptime no matter which bar you're on. Glyphs are only procced with LAs and weapon abilities. So you don't benefit from spending more time on that bar.

2) Your front bar trait should be something else, precise or sharpened. When you're on the backbar you don't get the benefit of the Shock glyph or the front trait as you don't have a weapon DOT to proc them while you're on the backbar, just light attacks and possibly a spammable. So you lose out from those the more time you spend on the backbar.

3) When you get the Maelstrom staff, which is really easy right now on normal, you'll lose a set bonus on the backbar.

So you should place your least used skills on the back and the most used ones on the front. There are other wrinkles — sorc has a passive that increases stats based on the number of class skills you have slotted, but that is secondary. This reasoning is also why you would out Inner Light/Bound Aegis on the frontbar if using. That's where you need all your juice.

You are better off getting used to that ASAP than unlearning your rotation in the future.

You don't need liquid lightning for most content, just not worth it. So really aside from maybe buffing with CA/Surge the only thing you need from your backbar is Wall. Obviously your pets can be activated on the front bar (Twilight activation is not worth sacrificing a spammable, only do it during downtime).

Get in front of a dummy and practice bar swapping after wall of element. Don't do a rotation, just slot it on both bars in the same slot and practice LA > Wall > Swap. Try to get the animation cancel to be as fast as possible, I.e. one wall per second. Once you know that timing you should be OK. Instead of having a key bind for bar swapping, you can have different keys to switch to different bars. I don't know how practical that is on PS but what it means for me is if I want to be on backbar and I'm not sure which bar I'm on I don't need to look for a visual, I just press my backbar button and either I already was on it or I am on it now. Or vice versa.

Be aware that there is a bug with Daedric Curse that freezes your character visuals. You should be using Curse.

Use Thief or Shadow mundus.

You’ve given me a lot of information to digest and work out in my mind.

One thing, on the PS4 there’s not dedicated keys for front and back bar; you have to swap back and forth with 1 toggle. On top of that, since I’m using 2 MS staffs, it’s sometimes difficult to quickly see what bar I’m on.

If you don’t mind, I’ll come back and comment on your other thoughts. Hopefully I’ll have some useful thoughts on my own 🙂

Thank you for such an informative post!

Countdownical · November 2020

siddique wrote: »

Unfortunately I need the Twilight Matriarch for emergency healing. In addition, playing only solo I’ll most likely never get Mystic Orb.

But thanks for the reply!

In situations without Twilight Matriarch, you use Crit Surge which when activated, will heal you when you do damage. So as long as you have a damage-over-time ability on the target, or using spammables on it, you will be healed. It's quite strong actually! You can easily solo stuff in vet no-death runs with it.

But if you still prefer the pet, that's totally fine! Just saying, Crit surge has strong potential

barney2525 · November 2020

The only thing I would add would be about the Mage2 reference. Since you refer to 'button pressing', I am going to assume you are on console and thus can not use addons.

I would recommend using google to find maps of the zones that show you where all the books/scrolls are in each zone and just clearing them zone by zone. You won't be stuck on Mage 2 for very long.

OmenRIP · November 2020

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

I cannot help you with improving bar swap cause I play on PC. But I can tell you what I do in my 2pet magsorc, who has a pretty simple roation.

1) Use MS + False God + Maw of the Infernal. nSS is a VERY easy trial to complete so you can farm FG with no problem. You can drop MS for Medusa if you dont want to use CA and slot an AoE there.
2) Get MS precise inferno front bar with fire enchant. Maelstrom inferno backbar infused with weapon dmg enchant. Normal Maelstrom is very easy to complete, perfected in backbar is actually useless imho (drops in veteran).
3) 1bar: Elemental Weapon + Daedric Prey + Fragments + Familiar + Tormentor + Mages Guild Ultimate. If it takes you too long to lvl up Mages, use destruction staff ultimate or Overload temporarily. Good thing with Mages ultimate is that it also provides extra magicka recovery through the passive.

2bar: Wall of Elements, Critic. Surge, CA, Familiar, Tormentor - Atro Ultimate

4) Your spammable will be Elemental Weapon which will benefit from Maelstrom inferno staff and WoE and also proc your Monster set. Daedric Prey and WoE should be up at all times if possible. And ofc have your Surge and CA activated at all times too. (Surge can save you gold from spell power potions). Start with WoE, switch, activate pets, daedric and then elemental till WoE ends. Insert LA between skills.

5) For CP, check Alcast's Magicka sorcerer (also check the rotation there). I am too lazy to experiment with CP so I just used his allocation. It works.

After you make your build, practice on a dummy to learn the rotation. It's a VERY easy and simple rotation that can give you good dps. (I do 70k on trial dummy)

Xynode also has a pretty easy magsorc build you can use.

gatekeeper13, as always, a great post!

I’ve been trying to farm Necropotence from the 3 overland bosses that I can do, but the only purple item that dropped was a bow.

I’ve been trying to follow alcasthq and all of his builds, but many of the things he suggests will take lots of time and or money (Julianos) to get. Without doing overland bosses or public dungeons I’m not making enough money to purchase some of those items Maybe I should skip more Necropotence and go for False God as you said (I was planning to go all Necropotence as was suggested somewhere else).

EDIT: I just searched for the requirements on nSS and since I only play solo (I can’t even talk right with that stupid virtual keyboard), I guess I’ll never get False God unless it’s for sale somewhere.

Also, at the suggestion of another player, I put a gold glyph of shock on my front MS inferno staff. The thing is, the handle of the staff shows the shock animation, but I’ve NEVER seen any instance of it doing shock damage (I wish I had the addons PC players have). So there’s something I have setup wrong there. The back MS lightning staff I put a gold weapons enhancement on it, but as I said in my first post, I use the front MS Inferno/Shock staff for main fight duty.

I’ve gone thru maelstrom once already on normal (very interesting to say the least 😄), so I can go again to get the staff.

I’ve also used alcasthq’s CP info; like you I’m too lazy or stupid to figure all of that out 🙂

Unfortunately again on the PS4, there doesn’t seem to be a way to see the log of the damage using anything I’ve found in the options settings. The Clockwork training dummy does write to chat, but only shows total damage, time, and dps. I don’t see much on my individual attacks in any meaningful way after the fight.

It’s going to take some time for me to digest all that you’ve told me. I hope you don’t mind if I come back to the thread and ask you a couple more questions or to comment on what I’m proposing.

Thanks again so much for your time!

OmenRIP · November 2020

barney2525 wrote: »

The only thing I would add would be about the Mage2 reference. Since you refer to 'button pressing', I am going to assume you are on console and thus can not use addons.

I would recommend using google to find maps of the zones that show you where all the books/scrolls are in each zone and just clearing them zone by zone. You won't be stuck on Mage 2 for very long.

Thanks for that tip. When I read what’s required to advance in the mages guild I just said no. I’m not playing Everquest anymore 🙂. But I did get thru the psijic quests using an excellent write up on the web; without that I would’ve been at 1 in that too.

I’m using (what I think) is a great set of maps at game-maps.com. It does show the book locations, but I never really thought about it much since I’ve probably picked up dozens of lore books along the way. I’ll get the quest started and start gathering the library. I’d love to get Mystic Orb.

Thanks for the tip!

RodneyRegis · November 2020

I'd look elsewhere for build tips - Xynode is great, he goes through his builds in great detail. Alcast is a god, but he doesn't get hit, and plays in groups which are optimised for every facet of the game. His builds are very much end-game and have very little room for sustain or L2P issues.

Mage's guild is nice to have but by no means vital. If you only have a handful of alts then go for it, it doesn't take too long. Mystic Orb is not going to be a game-changer though.

When you say you are running 7 MS, then say "I know I know" - if you know, why run 7 pieces? Even if you don't want to farm a monster set, just run a couple of willpower rings from the guild store, it will improve your stats.

If you have the muck minder lightning staff then consider a heavy attack build - no more sustain issues, and you can drop the mage mundus and go for something more offensive, or even run lady or lord for survivability. you can also put spell damage glyphs on your jewelry.

Mage plus necropetence is probably overkill in any case.

RodneyRegis · November 2020

As for the shock glyph, turn on combat numbers and go to your dummy and just fire off LAs. You will see the glyph firing when you see an extra number. If you have a shock glyph it will fire, regardless of the rest of your setup, unless you are running poisons.

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/32697/~/why-does-the-combat-text-have-different-colors-and-positions-on-the-screen?

siddique · November 2020

OmenRIP wrote: »

siddique wrote: »

Drop the scamp.

Use tormentor.
Mother's sorrow, False gods, and Zaan/Maw of the Infernal.

Front bar:
Force pulse, crystal fragments, bound aegis/hardened ward, daedric prey, tormentor

Back bar:
Crit surge, channeled acceleration, mystic orb, unstable wall, tormentor

Unfortunately I need the Twilight Matriarch for emergency healing. In addition, playing only solo I’ll most likely never get Mystic Orb.

But thanks for the reply!

Fortunately, crit surge is an exponentially better heal than Twilight Matriarch. If you wish to make a viable build, I highly suggest dropping Matriarch, it is nothing but bad. If you activate crit surge, and are doing damage, you will be constantly getting healed, try it once and you'll see what I mean.

If you do not wish to get Mystic Orb, you can use Degeneration (Mages Guild) or Boundless Storm or Lightning Flood even in its place. With the same build I can solo most world bosses, including those in Summerset. Crit Surge keeps me alive.

The_Camper · November 2020

Just a quick question. Why 7 MS? Don't have good monster pieces?

Even if you don't have good monster pieces, replace those 2 MS with 2 Trainee pieces, which will give you 1.4k HP and MAG. extra hp means you can drop a trystat glyph or two and put them max mag glyphs on them. either way this will give you 3k-4k extra max mag than you have now.

and try alcasts 1 bar magsorc setup for lazy builds. it can clear vet arenas without even having to bar swap. since you have trouble bar swapping reliably.

OmenRIP · November 2020

The_Camper wrote: »

Just a quick question. Why 7 MS? Don't have good monster pieces?

Even if you don't have good monster pieces, replace those 2 MS with 2 Trainee pieces, which will give you 1.4k HP and MAG. extra hp means you can drop a trystat glyph or two and put them max mag glyphs on them. either way this will give you 3k-4k extra max mag than you have now.

and try alcasts 1 bar magsorc setup for lazy builds. it can clear vet arenas without even having to bar swap. since you have trouble bar swapping reliably.

I have 5 pieces of MS armor and 2 MS staffs. I want to swap out the head and shoulders of the MS armor, but I can’t find anything better to replace it with (I’m only playing solo PvE). I keep checking the guild vendors, but they have nothing better than I have on now ☹️ Also I’m terrible unlocking chests, so I’m upping legerdemain to make it easier to pick locks. THEN I can look for Trainee.

Thanks for the tips!

OmenRIP · November 2020

siddique wrote: »

OmenRIP wrote: »

siddique wrote: »

Drop the scamp.

Use tormentor.
Mother's sorrow, False gods, and Zaan/Maw of the Infernal.

Front bar:
Force pulse, crystal fragments, bound aegis/hardened ward, daedric prey, tormentor

Back bar:
Crit surge, channeled acceleration, mystic orb, unstable wall, tormentor

Unfortunately I need the Twilight Matriarch for emergency healing. In addition, playing only solo I’ll most likely never get Mystic Orb.

But thanks for the reply!

Fortunately, crit surge is an exponentially better heal than Twilight Matriarch. If you wish to make a viable build, I highly suggest dropping Matriarch, it is nothing but bad. If you activate crit surge, and are doing damage, you will be constantly getting healed, try it once and you'll see what I mean.

If you do not wish to get Mystic Orb, you can use Degeneration (Mages Guild) or Boundless Storm or Lightning Flood even in its place. With the same build I can solo most world bosses, including those in Summerset. Crit Surge keeps me alive.

I really hate to lose my twilight, she’s been with me from the beginning. Also, she’s given me critical heals hundreds of times to keep me from dying.

I do see that Crit Surge does heal when I’m doing damage. But it doesn’t heal if I’m running around trying to avoid boss AOE. Maybe it’s because I’m on a PS4 that makes it so difficult for me. If I could attach a keyboard/mouse combo to the PS4 and use it for eso, I would do it in a second. I’m so used to using a keyboard/mouse for gaming; it’s been a struggle using the PS4 controller. Stupid me, I thought I could just get on my computer and play my character from the PS4, but it doesn’t work that way. I was VERY surprised that I also couldn’t transfer characters to another server. I’m a programmer-maintaining 3 sets of code instead of 1 is a no-no. Zenimax should at least convert my character to PC accessibility. Maybe now that Microsoft owns them. One can only wish.

siddique · November 2020

OmenRIP wrote: »

siddique wrote: »

OmenRIP wrote: »

siddique wrote: »

Drop the scamp.

Use tormentor.
Mother's sorrow, False gods, and Zaan/Maw of the Infernal.

Front bar:
Force pulse, crystal fragments, bound aegis/hardened ward, daedric prey, tormentor

Back bar:
Crit surge, channeled acceleration, mystic orb, unstable wall, tormentor

Unfortunately I need the Twilight Matriarch for emergency healing. In addition, playing only solo I’ll most likely never get Mystic Orb.

But thanks for the reply!

Fortunately, crit surge is an exponentially better heal than Twilight Matriarch. If you wish to make a viable build, I highly suggest dropping Matriarch, it is nothing but bad. If you activate crit surge, and are doing damage, you will be constantly getting healed, try it once and you'll see what I mean.

If you do not wish to get Mystic Orb, you can use Degeneration (Mages Guild) or Boundless Storm or Lightning Flood even in its place. With the same build I can solo most world bosses, including those in Summerset. Crit Surge keeps me alive.

I really hate to lose my twilight, she’s been with me from the beginning. Also, she’s given me critical heals hundreds of times to keep me from dying.

I do see that Crit Surge does heal when I’m doing damage. But it doesn’t heal if I’m running around trying to avoid boss AOE. Maybe it’s because I’m on a PS4 that makes it so difficult for me. If I could attach a keyboard/mouse combo to the PS4 and use it for eso, I would do it in a second. I’m so used to using a keyboard/mouse for gaming; it’s been a struggle using the PS4 controller. Stupid me, I thought I could just get on my computer and play my character from the PS4, but it doesn’t work that way. I was VERY surprised that I also couldn’t transfer characters to another server. I’m a programmer-maintaining 3 sets of code instead of 1 is a no-no. Zenimax should at least convert my character to PC accessibility. Maybe now that Microsoft owns them. One can only wish.

I play on ps4 as well. I understand the reliance on matriarch, I relied on it for the longest time but once I got used to crit surge I never looked back.

But if you insist on using matriarch and a double pet build, I'd go for something like:

Front bar: force pulse, crystal frag, daedric prey, scamp, twilight

Backbar: scamp, channeled acceleration, hardened ward/lightning flood/daedric mines, unstable wall, twilight.

zvavi · November 2020

OmenRIP wrote: »

siddique wrote: »

OmenRIP wrote: »

siddique wrote: »

Drop the scamp.

Use tormentor.
Mother's sorrow, False gods, and Zaan/Maw of the Infernal.

Front bar:
Force pulse, crystal fragments, bound aegis/hardened ward, daedric prey, tormentor

Back bar:
Crit surge, channeled acceleration, mystic orb, unstable wall, tormentor

Unfortunately I need the Twilight Matriarch for emergency healing. In addition, playing only solo I’ll most likely never get Mystic Orb.

But thanks for the reply!

Fortunately, crit surge is an exponentially better heal than Twilight Matriarch. If you wish to make a viable build, I highly suggest dropping Matriarch, it is nothing but bad. If you activate crit surge, and are doing damage, you will be constantly getting healed, try it once and you'll see what I mean.

If you do not wish to get Mystic Orb, you can use Degeneration (Mages Guild) or Boundless Storm or Lightning Flood even in its place. With the same build I can solo most world bosses, including those in Summerset. Crit Surge keeps me alive.

I really hate to lose my twilight, she’s been with me from the beginning. Also, she’s given me critical heals hundreds of times to keep me from dying.

I do see that Crit Surge does heal when I’m doing damage. But it doesn’t heal if I’m running around trying to avoid boss AOE. Maybe it’s because I’m on a PS4 that makes it so difficult for me. If I could attach a keyboard/mouse combo to the PS4 and use it for eso, I would do it in a second. I’m so used to using a keyboard/mouse for gaming; it’s been a struggle using the PS4 controller. Stupid me, I thought I could just get on my computer and play my character from the PS4, but it doesn’t work that way. I was VERY surprised that I also couldn’t transfer characters to another server. I’m a programmer-maintaining 3 sets of code instead of 1 is a no-no. Zenimax should at least convert my character to PC accessibility. Maybe now that Microsoft owns them. One can only wish.

Get used to crit surge, best defense is offense. If u need more defense in addition to it slot a shield. I liked my matriarch too. Then they nerfed her damage by 50%.

Banana · November 2020

Add 1 piece domihaus and the pale order mythic ring and soloing is a piece of ***

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · November 2020

why not try this, at mo iam doing vids on all mag builds but not up yet, this is a simple med weave build, valkin, mother sorrow, seducer, front bar frags, necro orb, both pets and mage light, bk bar lquid lighting, wall of elements, both pets, mage light, ult front bar atro, bk bar shooting star, jewelry all bloodthristy with spell damage and mundus the shadow, front bar flame staff bk lighting staff, rotation, is mgelight bk bar, heavy attack, wall of of elements, liquid lighting, front bar mage light, med attack, necro orb, med attack, frag, mage light, ma, frag then the same again

Jaimeh · November 2020

OmenRIP wrote: »

One thing, on the PS4 there’s not dedicated keys for front and back bar; you have to swap back and forth with 1 toggle. On top of that, since I’m using 2 MS staffs, it’s sometimes difficult to quickly see what bar I’m on.

You can use the outfit system to change the look of the staves, so it will be easier visually to distinguish the bars.

Indigogo · November 2020

Jaimeh wrote: »

You can use the outfit system to change the look of the staves, so it will be easier visually to distinguish the bars.

This is a really helpful tip. I always have a big flashy staff as my main bar, it helps a lot.

OmenRIP · November 2020

Jaimeh wrote: »

OmenRIP wrote: »

One thing, on the PS4 there’s not dedicated keys for front and back bar; you have to swap back and forth with 1 toggle. On top of that, since I’m using 2 MS staffs, it’s sometimes difficult to quickly see what bar I’m on.

You can use the outfit system to change the look of the staves, so it will be easier visually to distinguish the bars.

Thank you! I’m using an outfit now, but I never thought about changing the staffs!

OmenRIP · November 2020

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

why not try this, at mo iam doing vids on all mag builds but not up yet, this is a simple med weave build, valkin, mother sorrow, seducer, front bar frags, necro orb, both pets and mage light, bk bar lquid lighting, wall of elements, both pets, mage light, ult front bar atro, bk bar shooting star, jewelry all bloodthristy with spell damage and mundus the shadow, front bar flame staff bk lighting staff, rotation, is mgelight bk bar, heavy attack, wall of of elements, liquid lighting, front bar mage light, med attack, necro orb, med attack, frag, mage light, ma, frag then the same again

You’ve got a lot of info there 🙂. I need to parse what you’re saying and try it on a dummy. In addition, some of the items you mention I’ll never get due to me playing strictly solo PvE.

Thank you for your response!

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · November 2020

OmenRIP wrote: »

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

why not try this, at mo iam doing vids on all mag builds but not up yet, this is a simple med weave build, valkin, mother sorrow, seducer, front bar frags, necro orb, both pets and mage light, bk bar lquid lighting, wall of elements, both pets, mage light, ult front bar atro, bk bar shooting star, jewelry all bloodthristy with spell damage and mundus the shadow, front bar flame staff bk lighting staff, rotation, is mgelight bk bar, heavy attack, wall of of elements, liquid lighting, front bar mage light, med attack, necro orb, med attack, frag, mage light, ma, frag then the same again

You’ve got a lot of info there 🙂. I need to parse what you’re saying and try it on a dummy. In addition, some of the items you mention I’ll never get due to me playing strictly solo PvE.

Thank you for your response!

yep not sure if you dont do dungeons what to use a helms

Seminolegirl1992 · November 2020

I main a non pet sorc so I doubt I'm being very helpful...but oh well. In case you decide to switch things up. I reliably can get 69k dps on it at the moment using this build, bar setup, and rotation:

Front Bar: Force Pulse, Crystal Frags, Haunting Curse, Inner Light, Bound Aegis, Atro ult

Back Bar: Unstable Wall, Mystic Orb (it's still better even without group setting...the damage over time is absolutely worth it), Lightning Flood, Hardened Ward (or Channel Accel), Bound Aegis, Destro Ult

5 piece Medusa (or Mother's Sorrow), 5 piece Perfected False God's (Julianos if not?), 2 piece Maw of the Infernal (or Illambris, Valkyn). Front bar Mother's Sorrow precise staff. Or Medusa. Back bar infused Maelstrom staff.

The matriarch is far too costly a heal. "Oh s#$%" heals are not as effective as heals like Crit Surge that can stay active for 30+ seconds while you do damage, constantly healing you. I used to rely on it as well but wasting two bar slots for it is not worth it. Offense is the best defense. When you need to slot a heal, take off Inner Light on the front bar for your Crit Surge heal. Being a solo player should not change anything I've mentioned....orb is that useful and the head/shoulder pieces can be solo dungeoned.

Rotation: Start back bar on Unstable, LA, Orb, LA, Lightning, LA
Swap to Front bar
Haunting Curse, LA, Crit Surge, LA, Force Pulse weave, hitting Crystal Frags when it procs. Atro ult. Reapply back bar dots. Rinse repeat.

OmenRIP · November 2020

Seminolegirl1992 wrote: »

I main a non pet sorc so I doubt I'm being very helpful...but oh well. In case you decide to switch things up. I reliably can get 69k dps on it at the moment using this build, bar setup, and rotation:

Front Bar: Force Pulse, Crystal Frags, Haunting Curse, Inner Light, Bound Aegis, Atro ult

Back Bar: Unstable Wall, Mystic Orb (it's still better even without group setting...the damage over time is absolutely worth it), Lightning Flood, Hardened Ward (or Channel Accel), Bound Aegis, Destro Ult

5 piece Medusa (or Mother's Sorrow), 5 piece Perfected False God's (Julianos if not?), 2 piece Maw of the Infernal (or Illambris, Valkyn). Front bar Mother's Sorrow precise staff. Or Medusa. Back bar infused Maelstrom staff.

The matriarch is far too costly a heal. "Oh s#$%" heals are not as effective as heals like Crit Surge that can stay active for 30+ seconds while you do damage, constantly healing you. I used to rely on it as well but wasting two bar slots for it is not worth it. Offense is the best defense. When you need to slot a heal, take off Inner Light on the front bar for your Crit Surge heal. Being a solo player should not change anything I've mentioned....orb is that useful and the head/shoulder pieces can be solo dungeoned.

Rotation: Start back bar on Unstable, LA, Orb, LA, Lightning, LA
Swap to Front bar
Haunting Curse, LA, Crit Surge, LA, Force Pulse weave, hitting Crystal Frags when it procs. Atro ult. Reapply back bar dots. Rinse repeat.

I really like your ideas about a non pet spec. It really irks me that we have to waste 2 slots on each bar for them ☹️. Mystic Orb is going to be a challenge, since I don’t think I have anything in the undaunted skill line. Any other suggestions for a substitute?

My back bar MS staff is infused, but my front bar just says shock damage (I added a shock glyph to the infernal staff). I’m not sure that’s right, but it was suggested somewhere on the web.

I’m going to try for the maelstrom staff again when I get my courage up 🙂

My muscle memory will take a big hit, but I’m going to try what you suggest. Thank you.

RodneyRegis · November 2020

Indigogo wrote: »

Jaimeh wrote: »

You can use the outfit system to change the look of the staves, so it will be easier visually to distinguish the bars.

This is a really helpful tip. I always have a big flashy staff as my main bar, it helps a lot.

What an excellent idea! I'm gonna do that!

RodneyRegis · November 2020

OmenRIP wrote: »

My back bar MS staff is infused, but my front bar just says shock damage

Your front bar staff must have a trait.

OmenRIP · November 2020

RodneyRegis wrote: »

OmenRIP wrote: »

My back bar MS staff is infused, but my front bar just says shock damage

Your front bar staff must have a trait.

I see it now. It just says “Increase chance to apply status effects by 220%”. I guess that’s bad ☹️