Xiomaro wrote: »

Unleashed Terror is definitely right up there as one of the most over performing proc sets. The damage it does is in line with all the other DOT procs. What makes it OP is the fact that it can be applied AOE, lasts 10 seconds and only has a cooldown per target. And that cooldown also happens to be 10 seconds so you can get close to 100% uptime on it.

I really need to test this, I purge it and before I know it I have it right back on me. Very few debuffs scare me like this one does lol.

Xiomaro wrote: »

Unleashed Terror is definitely right up there as one of the most over performing proc sets. The damage it does is in line with all the other DOT procs.

How can it overperform and be in line with other sets at the same time?

Either way, unleashed, azure blight, maelstrom 2H axe, plus stampede on a stam sorc is wicked fun.

Crit resistance is nullified by him using Malacath

12k from Unleashed .... Stamplar doesnt have much modifiers for a Proc. In BG so cant be CP

Must have actually been the full duration.

The increase has to be from Malacath + penetration.

The combination of Unleashed Terror + Maelstrom 2h with spammable gap closers is just plain ludicrous, especially since the ground AOE DOT on Stampede will automatically reapply the Maelstrom 2h DOT to multiple targets with no cooldown.

Blatantly broken carry set, cant believe they made a balance pass on sheer venom but not this. New gear in mmos is usually stronger than older gear, but come on man, this just looks like a blatant effort to sell dlc.

12k in 5 seconds? On a warden with built-in minor protection?

...Are you sure you're wearing any armor at all? Seriously though, I think you're just reading it wrong or the death recap isn't accurate. There's absolutely no way it could be correct, because there's literally no way unleashed is ticking for 2400/second.

The biggest unleashed proc I've suffered was 3,995 over 6 ticks, or a whopping 665/tick. Mind you, that's on a medium armor wearing DK built for quickness and smashing things, not tanking damage for any kind of extended period.

On its own it's actually kind of underwhelming imo, and really only a problem when you run into those people who are stacking multiple proc sets and/or malacath.

Bashev wrote: »

JayKwellen wrote: »

On its own it's actually kind of underwhelming imo, and really only a problem when you run into those people who are stacking multiple proc sets and/or malacath.

Good that there are not so many of those.

Oh wait a second .....

You just described 90% of the noCP players.

It gives the developers a clue as to how they solve the issue, though.

It's true that minus Malacath and multiple procs, each individual proc isn't too bad. The issue is multiple things procing from a single GCD and damage multipliers like Malacath. Every proc is balanced to basically the same numbers since Stonethorn. In theory every proc should be as good as the others but they're not because of proc conditions. The best procs are the ones with the most favourable proc conditions.

The problem with Unleashed Terrror is that you can combine it with Merciless Charge and Syvarra and basically just hit Stampede on your vMA bar then bar swap and Syvarra will proc as well. This applies 3 very powerful AOE procs with a single GCD. Not to mention that you can run this with Malacath.

Another example is Nightblades with poison procs. The one combo that I seriously can't survive (albeit on a fairly squishy build) is BRP bow, Syvarra and Venomous Smite. A Nightblade can proc all 3 if they open with Magnum Shot. In open world you could probably do snipe into Magnum Shot for some extra up front burst. It's genuinely insane because the Magnum Shot also stuns you, so you're immediately on the back foot.

The simple solution would be to introduce a global cooldown to procs. Even just a 1 second cooldown would prevent half of the cheese while leaving the less OP procs intact.

Qbiken wrote: »

The simple solution would be to introduce a global cooldown to procs. Even just a 1 second cooldown would prevent half of the cheese while leaving the less OP procs intact

It's a simple solution, but haven't we learned anything from making general global changes to stuff? It never ends well because a global cooldown on procsets doesn't affect everything in the same way.

All procs aren't equally oppressive and shouldn't be treated as such. I'm not defending the procmeta we currently have, but the most simple solution isn't to add a global cooldown to procs (would actually require lots of work since you need to decide what a "proc" is and what sets should fall under this category) but to disable malacath from boosting damage sources that can't critically strike to begin with (which in most cases are procs).

I mean, the best solution would be to create more difficult proc conditions for the big offenders but Stonethorn pulled in the opposite direction unfortunately.

An Unleashed Terror nerf is definitely coming sooner or later. It'll probably be something like a 10 second cooldown on the user rather than per target. That would bring it right into line with stuff like Venomous Smite at least.

Xiomaro wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

The simple solution would be to introduce a global cooldown to procs. Even just a 1 second cooldown would prevent half of the cheese while leaving the less OP procs intact

It's a simple solution, but haven't we learned anything from making general global changes to stuff? It never ends well because a global cooldown on procsets doesn't affect everything in the same way.

All procs aren't equally oppressive and shouldn't be treated as such. I'm not defending the procmeta we currently have, but the most simple solution isn't to add a global cooldown to procs (would actually require lots of work since you need to decide what a "proc" is and what sets should fall under this category) but to disable malacath from boosting damage sources that can't critically strike to begin with (which in most cases are procs).

I mean, the best solution would be to create more difficult proc conditions for the big offenders but Stonethorn pulled in the opposite direction unfortunately.

An Unleashed Terror nerf is definitely coming sooner or later. It'll probably be something like a 10 second cooldown on the user rather than per target. That would bring it right into line with stuff like Venomous Smite at least.

IMHO making procs scale with offensive stats like stam/mag etc would be the best solution.
Its clear that Zos can't balance the current flat damage sets.
With Stat scaling introduced, wearing multiple strong procsets simply wouldn't be a good option anymore, you couldnt have toxic a.. Builds with 40k hp and 2k weapon damage getting carried by offensive procs purely.