The only thing ZOS can do to improve this is to put a lock system for the various dungeons, then have the players complete all the dungeons in normal first and then gradually move on to the dungeons vet + vet dlc (similar thing to do with trials).
In addition to this improving the loot system in the most difficult dungeons, players in this way will be pushed to improve themselves or be kicked by the same group.
There is only one problem with that, ZOS does nothing and keeps doing single player zones, and dlc where nobody goes after 2 days.

Casual is the opposite of hardcore, not of skilled. You should use the word noob for that.

Golevan wrote: »

It's a game ... just a game
Play and don't bother others to play

Yep gotta agree doesn’t matter what the skill level of the players playing I’m just glad they are here and the game isn’t dead

Without “casuals”, there would be no game for veteran players.

OP forgets that he does not make the rules.

The actual rules of playing content are simple.

Pay ZOS a fee to access the game and then play whatever content you want.

There is no skill requirement to attempt any content. Never has been.

Note, I said attempt, not clear. There is a difference.

If OP needs players tailored to his skills, then he needs to recruit those players himself. That is how things work, and have always worked.

It is not hard for anyone with a basic ability to communicate civilly to do this.

It is easy.

You can solo her if you play around 3:00-9:00 AM (EU/German time)
or
wait to complete quest next year after new chapter come.

You say casual players like its a bad thing. We (i am) are the players. I'm playing eso as the worlds most massive single player game because that's what they built to do.

Its so casual you can craft your very own set of yellow gear the minute you hit cp 160 with your own mats and skills and not worry about gear ever again and the game is too easy.

Lol multiplayer :P

The amount of effort required to change my rotation to work when im not the tank and the healer? Way too much effort.. it can happen when the planemeld is done.

The only thing i regret about not playing with others is what to do with crafting writs.. everything else i just destroy, but those 10k master writs seem like such a shame.

ESO has a mind-boggling amount of content, and people play it to various degrees, depending on the time and effort they want to put into it. The game is great from this perspective. If casual players bother you, then you are doing something wrong, because in solo content you don't need anyone else, and in group content, presumably you'll go in with a premade/organized group. If it's PUGs that bother you, either avoid them entirely or go in with a DPS character, so you'll help if damage is low. There's endgame guilds or discord-based groups, so you can play with other endgamers. Listing why the game does not enable player progression is not helping; the reason is that even when the game started, and there weren't much information or guides to go with, people who wanted to improve, did so. This game is mechanics-heavy, with great combat, and it requires some work to be ready for harder content. But the thing is, not everyone wants to, and since a casual playstyle is enough for the majority of things, they don't need to either. It's a lot of time and work, not everyone can do that, and not everyone enjoys that either.

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

OP forgets that he does not make the rules.

The actual rules of playing content are simple.

Pay ZOS a fee to access the game and then play whatever content you want.

There is no skill requirement to attempt any content. Never has been.

Note, I said attempt, not clear. There is a difference.

If OP needs players tailored to his skills, then he needs to recruit those players himself. That is how things work, and have always worked.

It is not hard for anyone with a basic ability to communicate civilly to do this.

This argument sounds depressingly familiar doesn't it (80k)?!

Inaya1 wrote: »

In the discussion...

I play the way I want and like to play, if other people don't like it, tough.
I'm just here to enjoy another ES game, so I will always play the way I play - not the way other people say I should play.

Personally, I don't touch group stuff anyway, except for occasionally jumping in on WB fights if I come across them.
I like doing all the quests, and sometimes just running around exploring to see what I can find. It's the way I play - I did it with Oblivion, Skyrim and now ESO. Don't like people doing that? Tough.

I'm not a big fan of MMO's, I prefer to play solo, and frankly the only reason I play ESO is that it's Elder Scrolls.

Zodiarkslayer wrote: »

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

OP forgets that he does not make the rules.

The actual rules of playing content are simple.

Pay ZOS a fee to access the game and then play whatever content you want.

There is no skill requirement to attempt any content. Never has been.

Note, I said attempt, not clear. There is a difference.

If OP needs players tailored to his skills, then he needs to recruit those players himself. That is how things work, and have always worked.

It is not hard for anyone with a basic ability to communicate civilly to do this.

Passive aggressive, but civil. I love it.

But seriously: ESO is a MMO, that is taylored to former Singleplayer RPG players. That is a fact! How many people came over from Skyrim, I wonder? There is no denying the fact that the standards for other MMO's don't apply here. AND it is one of the core reasons of its success. Don't expect that to change.

Where I have to say the OP ( @Inaya1 ) is right is the way the game teaches how to play itself. It just does not! Nobody plays the tutorials anymore. And if you start on a new chapter you get dumped in that zone, because it's what you payed for. All the basics of the game and specifically its mechanics are very poorly taught.

The result is that people, that are not putting in an effort and time to understand and learn (that is what CASUAL means to me anyways), have no real chance to improve and hence stay bad. And because of how the game rewards and how easy it is overall some even get to be CP500 or higher until they notice: S***, I am really bad at this!

A small portion will be ignorant whatsoever. So why bother about it?

A few things overall here;

The first is that not a lot of us spend a lot of time in ESO, especially those of us who're post-CP 850 and have cleared every raid hardmode there is (aside from this new one because obvious bugs are obvious). We're able to compete with leaderboards, have PvP competitive builds, and have cleared every vet-dungeon including hardmodes and we can still be very casual. Casual just means that you frequent the game with irregularity or even play the game in a calm, relaxed manner. Both would describe how 'casual' groups are. Just because they're relaxed and are infrequent on their playtime scheduling doesn't indicate whether or not someone is 'bad' and 'don't want to get better'.

The second thing is that, true, the tutorial doesn't teach you much - there's not been very many titles of both MMO and single player games that can teach you how to be an expert in that game in a month. I remember a very specific streamer's ragequit in vICP, arguably one of the easiest vet DLC dungeons now (including clearing the four challenges for some folks on their first go at the dungeon and my DPS is pretty damn average compared to most). That's not him being a 'casual', that was him coming into this game and intending to be on an expert play-level within a week and those expectations shattering his ego.

The third thing is, yes, while it's very irritating to deal with someone who doesn't want to learn - you can't force advice and you can't coerce them or bully them into taking it. It doesn't work in game, it doesn't work on this forum. That's why this environment, compared to others, has started getting known for it's toxicity and 'hate' on players who just want to play the game in a relaxed environment. So much so that some are literally afraid to ask questions because of how the community acts. So if people expect players who are struggling to take their advice, they also need to eat some of that humble pie and actually see how they're engaging another member. Until you start treating inexperienced people, or just people in general, with dignity and respect? You're not going to teach them a thing other than that you're part of the problem.

rptrainer wrote: »

I'm a casual player too but I'm not the kind of person who refused to learn. I want to try endgame content but quoting the others here.

Linaleah wrote: »

too many elitist players in this MMO lately. makes it into a very unwelcoming place.

I know there are still some players in eso who's willing to teach. So, for now endgame content is out of reach for me.

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