The silent mag nerfs.

zvavi · November 2020

Mag skills are designed to be cost 300~ compare to stam skills. With minor magicka steal nerf to 168 instead of 300 (which translates to around 135 instead of 250 magicka per second) magicka takes a hit compare to stamina in any group that doesn't run hollowfang (already 1 support set that stamina groups don't need to bring).

Which means it hits:
Un optimized trial groups.
Dungeon groups.
Solo play.

Please balance mag skill costs after nerfing mag steal.

Kurat · November 2020

zvavi wrote: »

Mag skills are designed to be cost 300~ compare to stam skills. With minor magicka steal nerf to 168 instead of 300 (which translates to around 135 instead of 250 magicka per second) magicka takes a hit compare to stamina in any group that doesn't run hollowfang (already 1 support set that stamina groups don't need to bring).

Which means it hits:
Un optimized trial groups.
Dungeon groups.
Solo play.

Please balance mag skill costs after nerfing mag steal.

Except there is no stam groups. 99% trial groups are full mag. All the pve content is built for mag. You may pull less dps on dummy and lost some sustain but at the end of the day mag is still king for every content due to better survivability, support, cleave dmg etc.

zvavi · November 2020

Kurat wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

Mag skills are designed to be cost 300~ compare to stam skills. With minor magicka steal nerf to 168 instead of 300 (which translates to around 135 instead of 250 magicka per second) magicka takes a hit compare to stamina in any group that doesn't run hollowfang (already 1 support set that stamina groups don't need to bring).

Which means it hits:
Un optimized trial groups.
Dungeon groups.
Solo play.

Please balance mag skill costs after nerfing mag steal.

Except there is no stam groups. 99% trial groups are full mag. All the pve content is built for mag. You may pull less dps on dummy and lost some sustain but at the end of the day mag is still king for every content due to better survivability, support, cleave dmg etc.

I agree that a lot of the content is just not built for melee (vAS, vCR, vCT) but with relequen buffs, ranged la nerfs, mag cost nerfs, we should see stam groups pretty soon for every other trial.

Aznarb · November 2020

You also miss the part where minor and major intellect was doubled this patch.

Grandchamp1989 · November 2020

The sustain hit for ele drain is pretty noticable.
I don't much enjoy it but what can I do.
They buffed potion recovery but 40% of poop is still poop.

But since the patch Ele Drain doesn't even applyto dummy's so can't even test it properly.... (Submitted a ticket on it)

The nerf to ranged LA's is somewhat of a compromis, but then you have someone like Templar's who is basicly in melee distance, but get the penalty of a ranged build.... And yes you're at a huge disadvantage in melee range compared to range. This game is hugely unbalanced in terms of mechs for stam (+ templar) vs Magicka builds.
But then again they need to unbreak the LA weaving...

Then you got random nerfs to PVE tank buffs and debuffs but a huge buff to penetration nobody asked for.

Honestly, this patch is a huge mess.

I do enjoy that I don't have to hoard gear sets anymore do.... That's something.

zvavi · November 2020

Aznarb wrote: »

You also miss the part where minor and major intellect was doubled this patch.

I didn't, because endurance got the same buff.

NeillMcAttack · November 2020

Why does everyone fail to mention the recovery buffs!?

Zodiarkslayer · November 2020

Maybe they want all to use False God's Devotion and the like. The ressource gain of these trial sets got buffed, right? 2400ish per kill now, was it?

Anyways, the way they go with this patch is away from old play styles, especially away from too much dominace of mag DD in literally all aspects of the game. Maybe thats a good thing.

And that Templars get no love is a different problem, independent of general Magbuild viability.

People will adopt. Or opt to quit.

Aznarb · November 2020

zvavi wrote: »

Aznarb wrote: »

You also miss the part where minor and major intellect was doubled this patch.

I didn't, because endurance got the same buff.

So what ?
Magcost didn't increase, but both regen buff increase and we lose a bit on ele drain.
If anything that a direct buff and made you less dependent of magicka steal which is nice.

You really gonna tell me you're jealous because stam got like 3% more ? Really ?
Stam in PvE need love, this patch is good for them, hope we gonna see a bit more of them.
Doesn't change the fact that mag comp will always be the easy way to go.

zvavi · November 2020

Aznarb wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

Aznarb wrote: »

You also miss the part where minor and major intellect was doubled this patch.

I didn't, because endurance got the same buff.

So what ?
Magcost didn't increase, but both regen buff increase and we lose a bit on ele drain.
If anything that a direct buff and made you less dependent of magicka steal which is nice.

You really gonna tell me you're jealous because stam got like 3% more ? Really ?
Stam in PvE need love, this patch is good for them, hope we gonna see a bit more of them.
Doesn't change the fact that mag comp will always be the easy way to go.

What stam needs in pve is less dungeons/trials that screw them up cause mechanics are anti melee (uhm stone garden ahm). Sustain wise they are Infront of mag even on previous patches, dmg wise, they are around the same (if not a bit better).