Different platform, different region, different meta

Xiomaro · October 2020

Just a little reminder as we all forget this from time to time.

PC EU has a different meta to PC NA, which has a different meta to Xbox NA, which has a different meta to Playstation EU.

Likewise, IC, Cyrodiil, BGs and duels all work differently. As does CP vs no CP.

I say this because all too often, I see people saying "X build is OP, everyone is running it". And I think to myself; "I've literally never seen someone run that" or even "there's no way someone would run that. That sounds like a terrible build". And it would be easy but foolish to conclude that that person must be a "zergling" or something. But your local meta matters a lot, so you can't always presume that. Most of my experience is with high MMR BGs on PC EU and I can say that the meta in deathmatch right now is tanky classes with Crimson Twilight backbar, Malacath plus whatever sets work on your class (often it's another proc like Syvarra/Grothdar). We don't get heavy attack builds, we don't see Harbinger trolls, we certainly don't get werewolves - and when you do see any of those kinda builds, they get crushed or ignored. But that doesn't mean those builds aren't decent in some other zone in a different meta.

I know from experience in other games that Europeans often seem to lean towards more defensive game play while North America tends to go for a more aggressive style. I can't say if the same is true of ESO but in a defensive meta, glass cannon builds are difficult to pull off. While in a more aggressive meta, you'll have slightly fewer tanks overall so a glass cannon burst build will have a better time.

My point is - it's worth mentioning which region, platform and zone you PVP in when giving your opinion. I've just put "PC EU No CP" in my signature so my opinions have some context from now on.

Recapitated · October 2020

It's surprising to me that the disparity across game regions persists. Not across environments like duels vs BGs but same MMR, same BGs mode, different region. That's odd. I would expect things to be roughly the same by the end of a patch after a few rounds of mutual build adjustments.

Xiomaro · October 2020

Recapitated wrote: »

It's surprising to me that the disparity across game regions persists. Not across environments like duels vs BGs but same MMR, same BGs mode, different region. That's odd. I would expect things to be roughly the same by the end of a patch after a few rounds of mutual build adjustments.

It's the mentality difference. You see it in other games, too. NA seems to be driven by fragging, EU is driven to stay alive. I'm not sure why that is. It's even more different when you look at Asia in other games, they tend to be a little more co-operative in mentality over personal plays. So you'd probably see more tank/peelers and healer/supports.

Edit to mention that these are sweeping statements that don't apply to all players in a region, of course

Recapitated · October 2020

Guess I'll take your word for it. FWIW I don't really see Thews or WWs in PC NA BGs much although I didn't play much this patch.

Unfadingsilence · October 2020

Xiomaro wrote: »

Just a little reminder as we all forget this from time to time.

PC EU has a different meta to PC NA, which has a different meta to Xbox NA, which has a different meta to Playstation EU.

Likewise, IC, Cyrodiil, BGs and duels all work differently. As does CP vs no CP.

I say this because all too often, I see people saying "X build is OP, everyone is running it". And I think to myself; "I've literally never seen someone run that" or even "there's no way someone would run that. That sounds like a terrible build". And it would be easy but foolish to conclude that that person must be a "zergling" or something. But your local meta matters a lot, so you can't always presume that. Most of my experience is with high MMR BGs on PC EU and I can say that the meta in deathmatch right now is tanky classes with Crimson Twilight backbar, Malacath plus whatever sets work on your class (often it's another proc like Syvarra/Grothdar). We don't get heavy attack builds, we don't see Harbinger trolls, we certainly don't get werewolves - and when you do see any of those kinda builds, they get crushed or ignored. But that doesn't mean those builds aren't decent in some other zone in a different meta.

I know from experience in other games that Europeans often seem to lean towards more defensive game play while North America tends to go for a more aggressive style. I can't say if the same is true of ESO but in a defensive meta, glass cannon builds are difficult to pull off. While in a more aggressive meta, you'll have slightly fewer tanks overall so a glass cannon burst build will have a better time.

My point is - it's worth mentioning which region, platform and zone you PVP in when giving your opinion. I've just put "PC EU No CP" in my signature so my opinions have some context from now on.

100% there have been so many times i seen someone drop a build video from PC NA and with my main account being on xbox NA I would just lol at the sets they are running and would only think wow here they are 1vXing like its nothing but over here they would be dropped within a second on trying to fight low CP guys over here. And then the same can be said when console is on an old meta setup and since I been playing on PC NA as well now I would think nope console would not make it a second haha

Jaimeh · October 2020

On the PvE side of things, from what I've seen in end-game raiding groups anyway, meta is pretty much the same on PC NA and EU across roles for given trials. Can't say for other content, or platforms though.

Dunning_Kruger · October 2020

Non tanks on PC Na? Doesn’t seem likely to me. Elder Sustain Online pretty global Rn. Nobody wants to get exposed. Nobody wants to die.

JayKwellen · October 2020

I recently started running in Cyrodiil with a friend who migrated recently from PCNA to XBNA, and his own personal experiences on the matter are exactly the same as what you said. Honestly I sometimes find it crazy just how different it is even though it's the same exact region. Not only the meta itself but even the gameplay in Cyrodiil and how the big groups behave, how often or unoften the map changes, the general 'flow' of cyrodiil itself - both apparently noticeably different on each platform.

For real though, y'all don't have a Thews tank and WW infestation over in the EU? Oh what a dream! I usually can't go more than a few minutes in Cyrodiil these days without running into a Thews necro or a WW running that new incredibly annoying Grimhallow build (or any build honestly - as a mag character every WW is annoying as hell no matter what they're doing. Would at least be nice if they had a dodgeroll animation so I could stop shooting my spectral bow into thin air lol).

As for the general tankiness of EU vs NA, I'm not entirely sure about that one though. Maybe we have more players playing more glassy builds, but for real we also have a serious infestation of people who still build super tanky and them just sit on their backbar furiously smashing block until their ult is up.

systema555 · October 2020

Very astute observation !

Which explains why most ppl ccing a build might not perform as well as expected...

Unless ofc your run the cheesest of all...

That being said here is my backfeed for PC EU nocp cyro

75% use at least 1 proc set
75% are stamina
75% are dps

most used class are:
sDen, sNecro, sNB,mSorc, sSorc, mDen,

Most recent meta:
for solo/duo
3xprocs sNB
3xprocs sSorc
crimson+alessian sDen
and mostly a variation of procs + heavy set for most others

Have fun !
vvvvv

Bergzorn · October 2020

systema555 wrote: »

Most recent meta:
for solo/duo
3xprocs sNB
3xprocs sSorc
crimson+alessian sDen
and mostly a variation of procs + heavy set for most others

...reads on ...

systema555 wrote: »

Have fun !

Uhm, how?

Firstmep · October 2020

systema555 wrote: »

Very astute observation !

Which explains why most ppl ccing a build might not perform as well as expected...

Unless ofc your run the cheesest of all...

That being said here is my backfeed for PC EU nocp cyro

75% use at least 1 proc set
75% are stamina
75% are dps

most used class are:
sDen, sNecro, sNB,mSorc, sSorc, mDen,

Most recent meta:
for solo/duo
3xprocs sNB
3xprocs sSorc
crimson+alessian sDen
and mostly a variation of procs + heavy set for most others

Have fun !
vvvvv

Alessian? I though it was crimson+syvarra on everything, everywhere, maybe crimson+ev+malubeth.
I haven't come across a lot oh high hp regen builds.

Waffennacht · October 2020

Firstmep wrote: »

systema555 wrote: »

Very astute observation !

Which explains why most ppl ccing a build might not perform as well as expected...

Unless ofc your run the cheesest of all...

That being said here is my backfeed for PC EU nocp cyro

75% use at least 1 proc set
75% are stamina
75% are dps

most used class are:
sDen, sNecro, sNB,mSorc, sSorc, mDen,

Most recent meta:
for solo/duo
3xprocs sNB
3xprocs sSorc
crimson+alessian sDen
and mostly a variation of procs + heavy set for most others

Have fun !
vvvvv

Alessian? I though it was crimson+syvarra on everything, everywhere, maybe crimson+ev+malubeth.
I haven't come across a lot oh high hp regen builds.

With the up coming changes, expect to see more. Or at least builds that incorporate it more

Mr_Nobody · October 2020

I recall it has been like 2 years or so since EU players learned to click spells on top of light attacks. But they will catch up, eventually.

Goregrinder · October 2020

Bergzorn wrote: »

systema555 wrote: »

Most recent meta:
for solo/duo
3xprocs sNB
3xprocs sSorc
crimson+alessian sDen
and mostly a variation of procs + heavy set for most others

...reads on ...

systema555 wrote: »

Have fun !

Uhm, how?

Uh you throw said gear on and just have fun!

FirmamentOfStars · October 2020

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

I recall it has been like 2 years or so since EU players learned to click spells on top of light attacks. But they will catch up, eventually.

Mostly PC EU meta for PvP is ahead of the other platforms. Normally you see builds fromm PC EU meta getting used more and more often on PC NA a few weeks or months after and even later on console.

aslancik12 · October 2020

that's why na player never kill eu players

do not understand me wrong.I am not meaning that they are noob.I just know that a burst and full agrasive sorc or dk or templar never could kill a player who builded eternal vigor + malubeth + pariah necro

Xiomaro · October 2020

I mean, let's be clear. No region is better or worse than any other. What works and doesn't work in your region is dependent on what other people are playing. That's basically what metagaming is; using out of game information to inform in-game decisions. If you know what kind of builds most people are running, you can build to counter that.

If you take a slow, defensive but tanky and combo-dependent build to another region that might favour speed and burst, you're probably gonna get swarmed and not be able to land combos because you can't catch anyone.

Likewise, if you take a speedy burst build to a slow and tanky meta where people stick together, you're going to have trouble killing anything and every time you engage, one stun and you're dead.

I don't even know what the meta truly looks like in regions other than PC EU. The only knowledge I have of other regions is from watching people like Fengrush or some of the console content creators. I respect all of them but I also notice things that work differently on PC EU.

Noctus · October 2020

Xiomaro wrote: »

I mean, let's be clear. No region is better or worse than any other. What works and doesn't work in your region is dependent on what other people are playing. That's basically what metagaming is; using out of game information to inform in-game decisions. If you know what kind of builds most people are running, you can build to counter that.

If you take a slow, defensive but tanky and combo-dependent build to another region that might favour speed and burst, you're probably gonna get swarmed and not be able to land combos because you can't catch anyone.

Likewise, if you take a speedy burst build to a slow and tanky meta where people stick together, you're going to have trouble killing anything and every time you engage, one stun and you're dead.

I don't even know what the meta truly looks like in regions other than PC EU. The only knowledge I have of other regions is from watching people like Fengrush or some of the console content creators. I respect all of them but I also notice things that work differently on PC EU.

EU PC is the epitome of meta. playstyles of valeraprogib or xyz, decimus, mayorz or that jaxaxa guy i recently talked about will work everywhere. thats a simple truth. the only reason why another build might work better on console is becouse ppl there doesnt give a *** about cookiecutter builds like we do and thus a glasscannon sorc build will get faster kills than an EU PC meta build. what is the meta ..... tanky builds especially healthstacking warden.