Are you happy with how the Hollowjack motif is given out this year?
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WeerW3ir✭✭✭✭✭
✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »I think i cannot imagine a world where Everyone would be totaly satisfied... Cuz this just proves it
Or ... wait for it ... Are you ready? They could have done what they did with the Worm Cult motif and toned it down. No one is complaining about the Worm Cult motif drop rate. Like no one. It's called a happy medium. Take that one example out of the equation, ZoS simply don't do happy mediums. You see it with gear too. OP? Lets gut it. Something dropping too often? Lets hide it behind a paywall for new players hoping to get in on some of the action.
So many things they could have done, yet they chose to bind the motifs to the character, not even the account. Had they made them tradable like every other in game motif is/was, the market wouldn't be flooded and those needing the pages (new commers that haven't got the gold the scalpers are asking for) would have been able to trade what they needed. No market would have been flooded. But ZoS knew this. What you're seeing now is the ticket event evolving into something you yourself will probably take issue with in a year or 2. Like, everything behind rng bags none of which can be traded. With little or no hope of completing collection unless you pay 250 crns per ticket.
The funny thing i have the style since years... So this is not really touching me sadly.0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So...am I misrembering the many, many complaints about the Worm Cult motif drop rate when it first came out? Examples:
"The elusive worm cult motif"
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/405182/the-elusive-worm-cult-motif
"Are you happy with the worm cult motif drop rate?"
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/405049/are-you-happy-with-the-worm-cult-motif-drop-rate/
I mean, I'm glad people are happy with the drop rate now, but that's not how I remember it going down during its introductory Anniversary Event.4 -
CaffeinatedMayhem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Other (Please elaborate)VaranisArano wrote: »So...am I misrembering the many, many complaints about the Worm Cult motif drop rate when it first came out? Examples:
"The elusive worm cult motif"
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/405182/the-elusive-worm-cult-motif
"Are you happy with the worm cult motif drop rate?"
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/405049/are-you-happy-with-the-worm-cult-motif-drop-rate/
I mean, I'm glad people are happy with the drop rate now, but that's not how I remember it going down during its introductory Anniversary Event.
Kind of like Grave Dancer this year. I have yet to see a single page, despite getting 7 skulls every day, yet some people already have complete sets just from a few drops.
Edited by CaffeinatedMayhem on October 24, 2020 7:51PM1 -
driosketch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoI think i cannot imagine a world where Everyone would be totaly satisfied... Cuz this just proves it
Who does pulling a central achievement item completely out of the skulls satisfy?
All it shows is ZOS does not check achievements when they make changes. Case in point: Disastrously Bloody Mara is now called Corrupting Bloody Mara after the vampire changes. It still works for the achievement too, but the old name is left in the achievement page for this event.Main: Drio Azul ~ DC, Redguard, Healer/Magicka Templar ~ NA-PC
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Luke_Flamesword✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I kept in bank a lot of hollowjack pages, but month ago I thought that it won't be worth much more so I destroyed all of them
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Prof_Bawbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoProf_Bawbag wrote: »I think i cannot imagine a world where Everyone would be totaly satisfied... Cuz this just proves it
Or ... wait for it ... Are you ready? They could have done what they did with the Worm Cult motif and toned it down. No one is complaining about the Worm Cult motif drop rate. Like no one. It's called a happy medium. Take that one example out of the equation, ZoS simply don't do happy mediums. You see it with gear too. OP? Lets gut it. Something dropping too often? Lets hide it behind a paywall for new players hoping to get in on some of the action.
So many things they could have done, yet they chose to bind the motifs to the character, not even the account. Had they made them tradable like every other in game motif is/was, the market wouldn't be flooded and those needing the pages (new commers that haven't got the gold the scalpers are asking for) would have been able to trade what they needed. No market would have been flooded. But ZoS knew this. What you're seeing now is the ticket event evolving into something you yourself will probably take issue with in a year or 2. Like, everything behind rng bags none of which can be traded. With little or no hope of completing collection unless you pay 250 crns per ticket.
The funny thing i have the style since years... So this is not really touching me sadly.VaranisArano wrote: »So...am I misrembering the many, many complaints about the Worm Cult motif drop rate when it first came out? Examples:
"The elusive worm cult motif"
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/405182/the-elusive-worm-cult-motif
"Are you happy with the worm cult motif drop rate?"
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/405049/are-you-happy-with-the-worm-cult-motif-drop-rate/
I mean, I'm glad people are happy with the drop rate now, but that's not how I remember it going down during its introductory Anniversary Event.
Yeah, and that's why i said they eventually struck a happy medium. It got tweaked. Hollowjack never got tweaked, it's been shoved behind a paywall of sorts if some total noob hopes to get it all this event. It's no longer tradable (hence the 100k chest, legs etc prices), worm cult is obtained fairly easily during the event. No one said there was never ever an issue with WC.
The other problem, there's also trash mementos in the loot pool. So those bags don't even guarantee you a drop. Granted, HJ weapons seem to be low value in stores.Edited by Prof_Bawbag on October 24, 2020 7:13PM1 -
Contaminate✭✭✭✭✭
✭Other (Please elaborate)For Hollowjack specifically, I don’t much care about it. It’s ugly and was basically garbage for the first few years. It’s nice to have the value of something go up for a change.
But as a concept of Crown-Crate’ing a motif, as that’s basically what the grab bags are at the price of 500 crowns (2 ticks) each, is really dirty and reeks of bad company ethics.7 -
Starlight_Whisper✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoI should be... going to sell those pages for ridiculous🤣 prices that only crown sellers will buy in years to come. Sadly though...I have a conscious and voted no.
It's just not fair for new players to get a motif this way. Motifs count towards rngess points to calculate writs. It wouldn't matter of it was a style page but it's a motif. Also linked to achievement.
I think just add pages to stealing or fishing.Edited by Starlight_Whisper on October 24, 2020 7:57PM2 -
WeerW3ir✭✭✭✭✭
✭Oh no. Anyway
I have a question from all of you. Lets say you play eso. And imagine that what if zos would have decide we add Seasonal rewards into the loot pool. Like a gear which only drops in year 4. And a gear which only drops in year 5.
Considering this. Would you accept it, that you cannot get that style anymore because its way too old and Just makes the loot table more complicated? (Exactly like fishing. Year 1-3 nothing. Yay all fine. After year 3 the fishing is horrible because way too much possible loot and its feels sometimes like you fishing in a very dirty pond and you get more trash than fish?)
This is what is happening now. The game is not a new game. This event is not the first. The loot table is already too big. Sooner or later they have to take away if they want to add. And im sure you know about this. Cannot add without taking eventually. Not because of money, not because of chaos, just because its LOGICAL.0 -
LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoCannot add without taking eventually. Not because of money, not because of chaos, just because its LOGICAL.
It would be logical if they would just reduce the drop rate drastically (so that the pieces would go from 1k gold to 20-30k, still obtainable for an average player who's willing to grind them and wont make them go broke if they decide to buy missing pages).
The problem is, spending your tickets on boxes would mean that you won't be able to collect indrik berries and feathers without buying tickets from crown store. And unlike extra offers from previous events (furnishings, group repair kits and such), hollowjack motif is linked to the main event achievement, and without it you cannot even buy the event house with gold. And on top of that you're not even guaranteed to get hollowjack pages, there's skeletal marionette and apple-bobbing cauldron parts as well.
That's just too many levels on bs in my opinion.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoOh no. Anyway
I have a question from all of you. Lets say you play eso. And imagine that what if zos would have decide we add Seasonal rewards into the loot pool. Like a gear which only drops in year 4. And a gear which only drops in year 5.
Considering this. Would you accept it, that you cannot get that style anymore because its way too old and Just makes the loot table more complicated? (Exactly like fishing. Year 1-3 nothing. Yay all fine. After year 3 the fishing is horrible because way too much possible loot and its feels sometimes like you fishing in a very dirty pond and you get more trash than fish?)
This is what is happening now. The game is not a new game. This event is not the first. The loot table is already too big. Sooner or later they have to take away if they want to add. And im sure you know about this. Cannot add without taking eventually. Not because of money, not because of chaos, just because its LOGICAL.
no, because this situation is DIFFERENT. this motif is STILL required for holiday meta achievement. the holiday achievement is STILL required to purchase an advertised home with gold
there is NOTHING logical about removing crucial part of the event achievement WITHOUT at a minimum modifying achievement itself.
this mentality of "it doesn't affect me personaly, therefore its fine" is incredibly toxic.Edited by Linaleah on October 24, 2020 9:01PMdirty worthless casual.
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Langdon64✭✭✭✭NoNo. Not at all. If this is a sign of things to come, then they should start adding them to Treasure Maps or Antiquities.2
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NoOh no. Anyway
I have a question from all of you. Lets say you play eso. And imagine that what if zos would have decide we add Seasonal rewards into the loot pool. Like a gear which only drops in year 4. And a gear which only drops in year 5.
Considering this. Would you accept it, that you cannot get that style anymore because its way too old and Just makes the loot table more complicated? (Exactly like fishing. Year 1-3 nothing. Yay all fine. After year 3 the fishing is horrible because way too much possible loot and its feels sometimes like you fishing in a very dirty pond and you get more trash than fish?)
This is what is happening now. The game is not a new game. This event is not the first. The loot table is already too big. Sooner or later they have to take away if they want to add. And im sure you know about this. Cannot add without taking eventually. Not because of money, not because of chaos, just because its LOGICAL.
This would all be fine and dandy if there weren't holiday achievements associated with getting the motif. If they had changed the requirements to allow completing the holiday achievements without needing to use event tickets and real money, probably no one would be complaining. But that's not what happened, and so here we are.
In short: yes, you are correct about the loot table and all, but it ignores the bigger problem.7 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oh no. Anyway
I have a question from all of you. Lets say you play eso. And imagine that what if zos would have decide we add Seasonal rewards into the loot pool. Like a gear which only drops in year 4. And a gear which only drops in year 5.
Considering this. Would you accept it, that you cannot get that style anymore because its way too old and Just makes the loot table more complicated? (Exactly like fishing. Year 1-3 nothing. Yay all fine. After year 3 the fishing is horrible because way too much possible loot and its feels sometimes like you fishing in a very dirty pond and you get more trash than fish?)
This is what is happening now. The game is not a new game. This event is not the first. The loot table is already too big. Sooner or later they have to take away if they want to add. And im sure you know about this. Cannot add without taking eventually. Not because of money, not because of chaos, just because its LOGICAL.
All analogies break down eventually, but in your fishing analogy, its like they removed the achievement fish without changing the requirements for Master Angler.
That's one way to shrink the loot table, but its not the best way.2 -
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✭NoWhen I read the Festival announcement, I rushed to guild stores. I thought: maybe I undersood it wrong, but I'd better buy all Hollowjack right now. I managed to buy all pieces before prices went up. Pieces like Belts and Axse were about 5k, Chests were the most expensive - 30k. Gloves were the rares item: I found only 3 listed in TTC and bought them for 25k.
Now imagine I didn't do it: so no Hollowjack and no eachivement and... no event house for me - I yet have to buy it! Event tickets? Well, I don't have an opportunity to play every day. Guild stores? I managed to save 300k gold for a house, I don't have gold for expensive motif...
Now imagine a new player who has no gold, but who wants a house and all achivements...4 -
Ragged_Claw✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoI've trashed so may of these pages over the years because they were clogging my bank/boxes and I wish I'd held on to them to give them to friends who haven't been playing as long. This is a grubby way of doing it imo, the amount of tickets to spend if you want the masks, motif and memento would be insane. Why couldn't they have put each thing in the event vendor for 10 tickets each, even split the Hallowjack motif into armour and weapons if they wanted them to be more expensive? I mean, I know why, which is why it sucks.PC EU & NA4 -
Dojohoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭NoAlthough I have the style on my pc-na account and the cottage and achievements, this really stinks because it has achievements tied to owning the set as well as getting that cottage.
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Jaimeh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoThe moment event tickets appeared in the crown store, they started thinking of ways to monetize aspects of events. It doesn't surprise me, given how ZOS' marketing model is introducing a seemingly innocuous feature, hook people, and then progressively monetize it, but it's indeed a veryunfair to new players, who will have to either spend their tickets on grab bags, or spend a lot of gold in traders. Old, event-exclusive motifs should have increased drop rates, not being locked behind a pay-wall, whether it'd be RL money or in-game gold.5 -
WeerW3ir✭✭✭✭✭
✭Oh no. Anyway
I have a question from all of you. Lets say you play eso. And imagine that what if zos would have decide we add Seasonal rewards into the loot pool. Like a gear which only drops in year 4. And a gear which only drops in year 5.
Considering this. Would you accept it, that you cannot get that style anymore because its way too old and Just makes the loot table more complicated? (Exactly like fishing. Year 1-3 nothing. Yay all fine. After year 3 the fishing is horrible because way too much possible loot and its feels sometimes like you fishing in a very dirty pond and you get more trash than fish?)
This is what is happening now. The game is not a new game. This event is not the first. The loot table is already too big. Sooner or later they have to take away if they want to add. And im sure you know about this. Cannot add without taking eventually. Not because of money, not because of chaos, just because its LOGICAL.
no, because this situation is DIFFERENT. this motif is STILL required for holiday meta achievement. the holiday achievement is STILL required to purchase an advertised home with gold
there is NOTHING logical about removing crucial part of the event achievement WITHOUT at a minimum modifying achievement itself.
this mentality of "it doesn't affect me personaly, therefore its fine" is incredibly toxic.
i love that you always my quite opposite. but maybe because i have different opinion than you. does no t make me toxic? eh...
beside nobody said its not affecting me o.OEdited by WeerW3ir on October 24, 2020 10:56PM0 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sounds like I made a huge mistake about a month ago. I had many many Hollowjack motifs and trashed them. Didn't even really need the inventory space I was just tired of looking at them.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."3 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oh no. Anyway
I have a question from all of you. Lets say you play eso. And imagine that what if zos would have decide we add Seasonal rewards into the loot pool. Like a gear which only drops in year 4. And a gear which only drops in year 5.
Considering this. Would you accept it, that you cannot get that style anymore because its way too old and Just makes the loot table more complicated? (Exactly like fishing. Year 1-3 nothing. Yay all fine. After year 3 the fishing is horrible because way too much possible loot and its feels sometimes like you fishing in a very dirty pond and you get more trash than fish?)
This is what is happening now. The game is not a new game. This event is not the first. The loot table is already too big. Sooner or later they have to take away if they want to add. And im sure you know about this. Cannot add without taking eventually. Not because of money, not because of chaos, just because its LOGICAL.
no, because this situation is DIFFERENT. this motif is STILL required for holiday meta achievement. the holiday achievement is STILL required to purchase an advertised home with gold
there is NOTHING logical about removing crucial part of the event achievement WITHOUT at a minimum modifying achievement itself.
this mentality of "it doesn't affect me personaly, therefore its fine" is incredibly toxic.
i love that you always my quite opposite. but maybe because i have different opinion than you. does no t make me toxic? eh...
beside nobody said its not affecting me o.O
You can have whatever opinion you like.
But if I, as a player who knocked out the Hollowjack motif the first year and who owns the house, decided that I was going to take the stance that "I want better RNG for the new rewards, so it's logical that ZOS should remove these old Hollowjack motif rewards from easy access even though they are still required for achievements, the event house, and crafting knowledge"...I think it would be reasonable for someone to characterize my stance as "I got mine! Screw the new players!"
Charitably, that probably wasn't what you were aiming for.
Certainly, I agree with you that ZOS has reasons to reduce event reward bloat.
But its a major reason why I, as a player who knocked out the Hollowjack motif the first year it wad offered, don't agree with your justification for removing older motif rewards from the common loot pool to the much harder access through the Grab Bag. There are ways to reduce event reward bloat that don't lock items required for event achievements/event houses/crafting knowledge behind limited quantities of event tickets. Instead, ZOS chose a method of reducing the event reward bloat that effectively screwed over new players. I'm not in favor.5 -
SimonBelmont✭✭✭NoWith Event Tickets available in the Crown Store, it seems less like a "pay for convenience" business model, and more like a "pay to win" business model.Edited by SimonBelmont on October 24, 2020 11:22PM3
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Maotti✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoI have this achievement already on several characters. So i'm not affected by it.
But ZoS, this is not how you encourage newer players to participate in the event.Edited by Maotti on October 24, 2020 11:53PMPC EU7 -
JoeCapricorn✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoThey should really, seriously reverse course on this and add Hollowjack back to Plunder Skulls
If a motif is available through gameplay, even if it comes once a year, it should ALWAYS be available through gameplay.
By that, I mean, the pages should then be TRADEABLE WITH OTHER PLAYERS AND NOT BOUND.
Don't lock it behind event tickets. Don't make people choose between this or the last Indrik. I'm personally not very affected by this since I've had the complete Hollowjack set on my main since the first event, but new players come to ESO all the time and they shouldn't be screwed over.
I come across Master Writs that require the Hollowjack motif. What if someone was holding onto one of those thinking that this motif would drop around this time of year only to find out that now you can only get it through event tickets or for 100k gold on guild traders.I simp for vampire lords and Glemyos Wildhorn4 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoI answered 'No' but honestly I am glad that they are out of the Plunder Skull loot table.
The easy answer seems to be to de-couple the motif requirement from the house.
Then Hollowjack is just an another expensive (and honestly pretty fugly...) motif.0 -
ganzaeso✭✭✭✭NoThis is very unfair to new players just starting out the event and a complete monetization of the house, the motif, the achievement and basically the event.
@ZOS_GinaBruno
I think this is a very bad trend to start.
I have the motif learned on 35 Characters, so I am less affected, but I still do not like the trend.(Math before coffee, except after 3, is not for me)2 -
SydneyGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Other (Please elaborate)If they aren't going to drop from plunder skulls any more, then they need to be removed as a requirement to get the event achievements.5