Clockwork city needs to be added to base game

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With the upcoming new Item set collection system (sticker book) a base game source is needed for the Transmutation Station.

Since the only one in game available outside of guild halls where people have spent crowns to purchase a Transmutation Station is the Clockwork city.

Let it be the first reward earned next month in the daily login rewards.

Thanks
  • CrashTest
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    Or they could just add unlocked transmute stations to crafting areas outside Clockwork City.
  • PTTE
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    You can buy one with writ vouchers lol you're Overreacting
  • Nairinhe
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    Unlike jewelry crafting, transmutation is available even if you don't own the DLC, so unlikely that'll happen.
    Also, you don't have to spend crowns to buy station, AFAIK, you can buy it for vouchers from Rolis.
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    Totally forgot you can buy the station with writ vouchers because that's how I purchased mine. My bad.

    They still need to add base game access to it somewhere for new players who just purchased the base game.
  • PTTE
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    Hotdog_23 wrote: »
    Totally forgot you can buy the station with writ vouchers because that's how I purchased mine. My bad.

    They still need to add base game access to it somewhere for new players who just purchased the base game.

    Why would a new player have any need for a transmutation station? They don't even have traits researched lol
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    PTTE wrote: »
    Hotdog_23 wrote: »
    Totally forgot you can buy the station with writ vouchers because that's how I purchased mine. My bad.

    They still need to add base game access to it somewhere for new players who just purchased the base game.

    Why would a new player have any need for a transmutation station? They don't even have traits researched lol

    Correct, @PTTE, and the lowest players can reconstruct gear is at CP160 anyways ...
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    You can also buy it with gold from guild traders in case you don't have vouchers or crowns. And most guilds nowadays have it in their guild house.
  • Gythral
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    What about guild or friends houses, both of which are accessable to most & many have transmute stations as well as crafting stations...
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  • Aliyavana
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    It doesnt make much sense for transmutation stations to be outside clockwork city since its rare clockwork tech.
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    They'd place a transmute station in a base game area instead, probably Craglorn.

    If you need a transmute station and are on PC EU just hit me up, I've got one in my primary house. My social guild also has a guildhall containing every single crafting station in the game, a trials dummy, and a transmute station.
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  • xclassgaming
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    Alot of guild halls these days have one, and i'm sure if you ask nicely in zone chat, someone with one will let you use theirs in their home.
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    CrashTest wrote: »
    Or they could just add unlocked transmute stations to crafting areas outside Clockwork City.

    This would make significantly more sense.

    I have a transmutation station in my main home. They are fairly cheap to buy in-game.
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    Nairinhe wrote: »
    Unlike jewelry crafting, transmutation is available even if you don't own the DLC, so unlikely that'll happen.
    Also, you don't have to spend crowns to buy station, AFAIK, you can buy it for vouchers from Rolis.
    Or gold from guild stores

    Most larger guilds has one too.
    Ask or simply check description for players in guild rooster, stuff like the transmute station, the trial dummy or most crafting stations tend to be listed there.

    I bought one for writ vouchers so I could have next to banker and storage chests.
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    Hotdog_23 wrote: »
    They still need to add base game access to it somewhere for new players who just purchased the base game.

    Agreed. They are adding a new core functionality to the base game but not providing straightforward access to it in the base game. It would be like if they added the outfit system as a "base game" feature back in the day but you could only change your outfit in one specific DLC zone using one specific DLC outfit station.

    That said, it is probably intentional for this not to be accessible to players early on in their experience considering they failed to add a proper PvE source of crystals (from what I've seen of the PTS threads). They can still only be obtained from dungeons, trials, and PvP - not from any non-group content. They didn't even bother to add them to world bosses, dolmens, geysers, dragons, or harrowstorms... which is weird because if "must do group content" is what they were going for they could have at least added crystals to those PvE sources. It's especially funny because this system creates a huge incentive to unsubscribe from ESO+ to get DLC dungeons out of the random dungeon queue.
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    Greystag wrote: »
    They'd place a transmute station in a base game area instead, probably Craglorn.

    If you need a transmute station and are on PC EU just hit me up, I've got one in my primary house. My social guild also has a guildhall containing every single crafting station in the game, a trials dummy, and a transmute station.

    Place it in Cyrodiil and watch the snipers and gankers camp it all day long 🤣
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    I agree it would make sense for them to add a transmutation station somewhere in the base game.

    Maybe Craglorn since it's still treated as something of a veteran area, even after One Tamriel, or somewhere in mainland Morrowind, like Mournhold, to keep with the lore that it's rare clockwork tech.
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  • Arunei
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    To everyone saying people can just buy one, you do realize how much they cost, right? They're 1,250 Vouchers, and the average price gold-wise is around 900k. So no, it's not exactly realistic for people to just casually go out and buy one of these things. And no, not every guild has one, either, simply because of the cost. It would make more sense to have them added to some base area.
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    Arunei wrote: »
    To everyone saying people can just buy one, you do realize how much they cost, right? They're 1,250 Vouchers, and the average price gold-wise is around 900k. So no, it's not exactly realistic for people to just casually go out and buy one of these things. And no, not every guild has one, either, simply because of the cost. It would make more sense to have them added to some base area.

    Agreed. I have 5 trade guilds, they dont all have this item and only one of them has all the attunable crafting stations.

    When World of Warcraft releases a new expansion, all the previous expansions are included in the new expansion. This is to ensure all the players are on the same page.

    Zenimax should do the same. When a new expansion comes out, all the previous ones should be included in the base game.
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    Raideen wrote: »
    Arunei wrote: »
    To everyone saying people can just buy one, you do realize how much they cost, right? They're 1,250 Vouchers, and the average price gold-wise is around 900k. So no, it's not exactly realistic for people to just casually go out and buy one of these things. And no, not every guild has one, either, simply because of the cost. It would make more sense to have them added to some base area.

    Agreed. I have 5 trade guilds, they dont all have this item and only one of them has all the attunable crafting stations.

    When World of Warcraft releases a new expansion, all the previous expansions are included in the new expansion. This is to ensure all the players are on the same page.

    Zenimax should do the same. When a new expansion comes out, all the previous ones should be included in the base game.

    technically - they are. IF you are a subscriber.
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    Linaleah wrote: »
    Raideen wrote: »
    Arunei wrote: »
    To everyone saying people can just buy one, you do realize how much they cost, right? They're 1,250 Vouchers, and the average price gold-wise is around 900k. So no, it's not exactly realistic for people to just casually go out and buy one of these things. And no, not every guild has one, either, simply because of the cost. It would make more sense to have them added to some base area.

    Agreed. I have 5 trade guilds, they dont all have this item and only one of them has all the attunable crafting stations.

    When World of Warcraft releases a new expansion, all the previous expansions are included in the new expansion. This is to ensure all the players are on the same page.

    Zenimax should do the same. When a new expansion comes out, all the previous ones should be included in the base game.

    technically - they are. IF you are a subscriber.
    So ESO works exactly like WOW here with the bonus that you can still play ESO if not subscribed.
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    Arunei wrote: »
    To everyone saying people can just buy one, you do realize how much they cost, right? They're 1,250 Vouchers, and the average price gold-wise is around 900k. So no, it's not exactly realistic for people to just casually go out and buy one of these things. And no, not every guild has one, either, simply because of the cost. It would make more sense to have them added to some base area.

    Alternatively, this is a problem that guilds can solve. Group effort solves group problems.

    Cost? When ZOS came out with attunable crafting stations, my trading guild asked players to donate Master Writs. They ran a special raffle where you could get tickets for turning in Master Writs or the materials needed. Then the Guildmaster crafted the writs and bought all the stations needed for a full set of all the then available crafted sets. They ran a smaller, similar raffle for the attunable jewelry stations when they can out.

    It was a massive group effort that resulted in an amazing resource for the guild crafters, one that cost considerably more than buying one transmute station.

    Similarly, there's no reason why a guild couldn't come together and donate Master Writs worth 1,250 vouchers to buy the de facto guild house a Transmute Station. Or, if no one has a master crafter who can do the writs, just run an extra fundraiser(s) to get the necessary gold to buy it.

    "But my guilds can't afford it, really!"

    Far be it from me to tell you what to do with your five guild slots, but there are plenty of guilds who absolutely can afford it if they make getting a transmute station for their members into a group effort.
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    PTTE wrote: »
    Hotdog_23 wrote: »
    Totally forgot you can buy the station with writ vouchers because that's how I purchased mine. My bad.

    They still need to add base game access to it somewhere for new players who just purchased the base game.

    Why would a new player have any need for a transmutation station? They don't even have traits researched lol

    Correct, @PTTE, and the lowest players can reconstruct gear is at CP160 anyways ...

    Most gear can be reconstructed at any level. Only monster sets, mythic items and arena weapons have a minimum level of 50.
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    zaria wrote: »
    Linaleah wrote: »
    Raideen wrote: »
    Arunei wrote: »
    To everyone saying people can just buy one, you do realize how much they cost, right? They're 1,250 Vouchers, and the average price gold-wise is around 900k. So no, it's not exactly realistic for people to just casually go out and buy one of these things. And no, not every guild has one, either, simply because of the cost. It would make more sense to have them added to some base area.

    Agreed. I have 5 trade guilds, they dont all have this item and only one of them has all the attunable crafting stations.

    When World of Warcraft releases a new expansion, all the previous expansions are included in the new expansion. This is to ensure all the players are on the same page.

    Zenimax should do the same. When a new expansion comes out, all the previous ones should be included in the base game.

    technically - they are. IF you are a subscriber.
    So ESO works exactly like WOW here with the bonus that you can still play ESO if not subscribed.

    You do not have to subscribe for 15.00 a month in wow, you can trade in game gold for play time.
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    Linaleah wrote: »
    Raideen wrote: »
    Arunei wrote: »
    To everyone saying people can just buy one, you do realize how much they cost, right? They're 1,250 Vouchers, and the average price gold-wise is around 900k. So no, it's not exactly realistic for people to just casually go out and buy one of these things. And no, not every guild has one, either, simply because of the cost. It would make more sense to have them added to some base area.

    Agreed. I have 5 trade guilds, they dont all have this item and only one of them has all the attunable crafting stations.

    When World of Warcraft releases a new expansion, all the previous expansions are included in the new expansion. This is to ensure all the players are on the same page.

    Zenimax should do the same. When a new expansion comes out, all the previous ones should be included in the base game.

    technically - they are. IF you are a subscriber.

    Technically, figuratively, literally they are not, BECAUSE you have to be a subscriber.
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    Raideen wrote: »
    Linaleah wrote: »
    Raideen wrote: »
    Arunei wrote: »
    To everyone saying people can just buy one, you do realize how much they cost, right? They're 1,250 Vouchers, and the average price gold-wise is around 900k. So no, it's not exactly realistic for people to just casually go out and buy one of these things. And no, not every guild has one, either, simply because of the cost. It would make more sense to have them added to some base area.

    Agreed. I have 5 trade guilds, they dont all have this item and only one of them has all the attunable crafting stations.

    When World of Warcraft releases a new expansion, all the previous expansions are included in the new expansion. This is to ensure all the players are on the same page.

    Zenimax should do the same. When a new expansion comes out, all the previous ones should be included in the base game.

    technically - they are. IF you are a subscriber.

    Technically, figuratively, literally they are not, BECAUSE you have to be a subscriber.

    you... have to be a subscriber in order to acess all the previous expansions in WoW. you do realize this, right?

    there are things that WoW does better IMO (like making old rewards from yearly events easier not harder to get and NOT hiding them behind not so subtle cash shop push), but in this particular scenario - the ONLY difference is that ESO makes you pay separately for a class that came with expansion. but the zones themselves, are rolled into subscription. on a flip side, ESO subscription comes with cash shop currency allotment, so you can just buy class acess at no extra charge, so "technically" its not that different
    Edited by Linaleah on October 26, 2020 3:11AM
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    Linaleah wrote: »
    Raideen wrote: »
    Linaleah wrote: »
    Raideen wrote: »
    Arunei wrote: »
    To everyone saying people can just buy one, you do realize how much they cost, right? They're 1,250 Vouchers, and the average price gold-wise is around 900k. So no, it's not exactly realistic for people to just casually go out and buy one of these things. And no, not every guild has one, either, simply because of the cost. It would make more sense to have them added to some base area.

    Agreed. I have 5 trade guilds, they dont all have this item and only one of them has all the attunable crafting stations.

    When World of Warcraft releases a new expansion, all the previous expansions are included in the new expansion. This is to ensure all the players are on the same page.

    Zenimax should do the same. When a new expansion comes out, all the previous ones should be included in the base game.

    technically - they are. IF you are a subscriber.

    Technically, figuratively, literally they are not, BECAUSE you have to be a subscriber.

    you... have to be a subscriber in order to acess all the previous expansions in WoW. you do realize this, right?

    No you do not. You can spend in game gold to play for a month to "subscribe".

    Secondly, wow gives all the old expansions when someone purchases the new one. Start WOW in 2020 and buy Shadowlands, you get Battle for Azeroth, Legion, Warlords of Draenor, Pandaria, Cataclysm, Wrath of the Lich King, and The Burning Crusade for no additional cost and 99% of the content is available to the player.

    You can not honestly compare ESO's monetization model to WOW's monetization model. In wow, you sub to the game for 14.99 a month OR buy tokens off the auction house with in game gold. For this you get the entire game, 99% of the mounts, 99% of the non combat pets, all of the outfits/customization etc etc at no additional cost. Wow has hundreds and hundreds of mounts. I have over 150 on my account, I purchased 2 from the cash store.

    Edited by Raideen on October 26, 2020 3:16AM
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    Raideen wrote: »
    zaria wrote: »
    Linaleah wrote: »
    Raideen wrote: »
    Arunei wrote: »
    To everyone saying people can just buy one, you do realize how much they cost, right? They're 1,250 Vouchers, and the average price gold-wise is around 900k. So no, it's not exactly realistic for people to just casually go out and buy one of these things. And no, not every guild has one, either, simply because of the cost. It would make more sense to have them added to some base area.

    Agreed. I have 5 trade guilds, they dont all have this item and only one of them has all the attunable crafting stations.

    When World of Warcraft releases a new expansion, all the previous expansions are included in the new expansion. This is to ensure all the players are on the same page.

    Zenimax should do the same. When a new expansion comes out, all the previous ones should be included in the base game.

    technically - they are. IF you are a subscriber.
    So ESO works exactly like WOW here with the bonus that you can still play ESO if not subscribed.

    You do not have to subscribe for 15.00 a month in wow, you can trade in game gold for play time.

    someone paid $20 each for those monthly tokens. they are not just generated into the game, Blizzard gets their money one way or another - they get more money via token exchange in fact.

    by that same merit - you can pay gold in ESO to have those DLC's be gifted to you. again, wow makes it safer to trade and in that regard - they are doing it better. BUT... the essential idea is not that different at all.
    dirty worthless casual.
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  • Raideen
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    Linaleah wrote: »
    Raideen wrote: »
    zaria wrote: »
    Linaleah wrote: »
    Raideen wrote: »
    Arunei wrote: »
    To everyone saying people can just buy one, you do realize how much they cost, right? They're 1,250 Vouchers, and the average price gold-wise is around 900k. So no, it's not exactly realistic for people to just casually go out and buy one of these things. And no, not every guild has one, either, simply because of the cost. It would make more sense to have them added to some base area.

    Agreed. I have 5 trade guilds, they dont all have this item and only one of them has all the attunable crafting stations.

    When World of Warcraft releases a new expansion, all the previous expansions are included in the new expansion. This is to ensure all the players are on the same page.

    Zenimax should do the same. When a new expansion comes out, all the previous ones should be included in the base game.

    technically - they are. IF you are a subscriber.
    So ESO works exactly like WOW here with the bonus that you can still play ESO if not subscribed.

    You do not have to subscribe for 15.00 a month in wow, you can trade in game gold for play time.

    someone paid $20 each for those monthly tokens. they are not just generated into the game, Blizzard gets their money one way or another - they get more money via token exchange in fact.

    by that same merit - you can pay gold in ESO to have those DLC's be gifted to you. again, wow makes it safer to trade and in that regard - they are doing it better. BUT... the essential idea is not that different at all.


    The discussion is not about a company getting paid or not, the discussion is about previous expansions being part of the base game. In ESO they are not, in WOW they are.

    Wows monetization model is much more up front and honest. You pay 15 bucks a month ,or buy a token, and the entire game is playable. Not even REMOTELY close to ESO where most content is hidden behind a cash shop, on top of a game purchase, on top of a sub.
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    Raideen wrote: »
    Arunei wrote: »
    To everyone saying people can just buy one, you do realize how much they cost, right? They're 1,250 Vouchers, and the average price gold-wise is around 900k. So no, it's not exactly realistic for people to just casually go out and buy one of these things. And no, not every guild has one, either, simply because of the cost. It would make more sense to have them added to some base area.

    Agreed. I have 5 trade guilds, they dont all have this item and only one of them has all the attunable crafting stations.

    When World of Warcraft releases a new expansion, all the previous expansions are included in the new expansion. This is to ensure all the players are on the same page.

    Zenimax should do the same. When a new expansion comes out, all the previous ones should be included in the base game.

    @Raideen

    Zenimax already does do the same. WoW provides all the previous content to those who subscribe and that is exactly what happens in ESO.

    Zenimax does one better than Blizard does with WoW. If we choose to end our subscription for a short while we can still log into the game and do something. That is much more than we can do in WoW without an active sub.

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    Raideen wrote: »
    Linaleah wrote: »
    Raideen wrote: »
    zaria wrote: »
    Linaleah wrote: »
    Raideen wrote: »
    Arunei wrote: »
    To everyone saying people can just buy one, you do realize how much they cost, right? They're 1,250 Vouchers, and the average price gold-wise is around 900k. So no, it's not exactly realistic for people to just casually go out and buy one of these things. And no, not every guild has one, either, simply because of the cost. It would make more sense to have them added to some base area.

    Agreed. I have 5 trade guilds, they dont all have this item and only one of them has all the attunable crafting stations.

    When World of Warcraft releases a new expansion, all the previous expansions are included in the new expansion. This is to ensure all the players are on the same page.

    Zenimax should do the same. When a new expansion comes out, all the previous ones should be included in the base game.

    technically - they are. IF you are a subscriber.
    So ESO works exactly like WOW here with the bonus that you can still play ESO if not subscribed.

    You do not have to subscribe for 15.00 a month in wow, you can trade in game gold for play time.

    someone paid $20 each for those monthly tokens. they are not just generated into the game, Blizzard gets their money one way or another - they get more money via token exchange in fact.

    by that same merit - you can pay gold in ESO to have those DLC's be gifted to you. again, wow makes it safer to trade and in that regard - they are doing it better. BUT... the essential idea is not that different at all.


    The discussion is not about a company getting paid or not, the discussion is about previous expansions being part of the base game. In ESO they are not, in WOW they are.

    Wows monetization model is much more up front and honest. You pay 15 bucks a month ,or buy a token, and the entire game is playable. Not even REMOTELY close to ESO where most content is hidden behind a cash shop, on top of a game purchase, on top of a sub.

    Subscribe to ESO and unlock access to that content. It really is that simple.
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