Are some classes favored? [PvP] Change My Mind
Berchelous
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I mean these classes: Stamina Necromancer, Stamina Warden and Stamina Nightblade.
StamCro and StamDen both bursty and tanky at the same time.
Stamblade has the highest single target damage and cloak. Also infamous poison injection spam and cloak.
These classes do not lose anything while being highly powerful. They all are stamina so they have mobility.
What do you think? Do they have any kind of drawback? I want to change my opinion. NTP.
StamCro and StamDen both bursty and tanky at the same time.
Stamblade has the highest single target damage and cloak. Also infamous poison injection spam and cloak.
These classes do not lose anything while being highly powerful. They all are stamina so they have mobility.
What do you think? Do they have any kind of drawback? I want to change my opinion. NTP.
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Vlad9425✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I’m sorry but how are you putting Stamblade in the same category as those two broken classes? Stamblade has the worst group utility in the game and most of them are squishy and very easy to deal with in PvP? Also many Mag and Stam builds run reveal abilities on their bars which counter cloak reliably.7 -
CaffeinatedMayhem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭What you're seeing is how much better the Stamina toolkit is in general, over the magicka toolkit. The classes you are listing are either geared toward tankiness over damage (in general) OR have a nifty skill that gets them out of damage.
If you wanted to say classes were favored, you'd be listing the magicka versions as well. And you can't do that with magicka necro and magicka warden.7 -
techyeshic✭✭✭✭✭Well; most NBs fold if they can't cloak. Detect pots seem to not always work for whatever reason, and to be fair; neither does cloak. You also have an issue right now of people not spamming AOEs as a counter and the DOT and Proc meta favors a class than can apply it and vanish while suppressing any that got on them. Then the devs have reduced tankiness and heals, so it has created a meta overall favorable to NB.
The other 2 are pretty much stacked. Their weakness would be purely circumstance in Warden having to stay facing the target for shalks to land and having to land dizzy and a heavy or 2 dizzy for a stun. No real bug deal. Stamnecro has the first world problem of blastbones getting lost in lag, but who isn't dealing with that?0 -
techyeshic✭✭✭✭✭I’m sorry but how are you putting Stamblade in the same category as those two broken classes? Stamblade has the worst group utility in the game and most of them are squishy and very easy to deal with in PvP? Also many Mag and Stam builds run reveal abilities on their bars which counter cloak reliably.
With how many NBs are running around Cyrodiil they provide mark and thats a great utility rather than waste time trying to find a ganker. You don't have to be squishy. In the current meta and AOE cooldowns, and procs, they are at least 3rd.Edited by techyeshic on October 21, 2020 5:29PM0 -
hakan✭✭✭✭✭considering poison injection is trash now and cloak being easily countered i dont know how they make it op not to mention poison injection ticks break cloak.
a lot of classes were claimed to be OP over the years so if anything they are cycling the classes for opness.
but tbh its just a coincidence for me. warden wasnt good till last year imo. they were good when they got introduced at first then quickly stripped of their buffs. last year (i guess??) they got some buffs to their skills in the mean time others especially nightblade got stripped of them.
magden..lol
stamnecro was good with maj vuln at first and magcro had harmony bomb which got nerfed. right now stamcro holds on to spirit and 2sec major prot. though they also have a good combo of bones,dawn breaker.
magcro OMEGALOL
still cant say it biased.1 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Wardens were designed to fill a niche in between the original Templar and Dragonknight for PVE Healing and Tanking, then ZOS handed them skills designed for delayed, burst damage. Plus, Wardens were the first class designed since ZOS realized that the players had created an originally unintended meta that split builds between stamina and magicka, instead of everyone using magicka with stam mostly being flavor. Wardens actually had real stamina utility.
So of course Stam Wardens were going to be beasts in PVP. They've got the class toolkit to play everything from tanky, self-sufficient solo and small scalers to the group support and burst skills you want in a raid. Just be glad we've been nerfed from what we used to be immediately following Morrowind's release. Undodgeable cliff racers, anyone?4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭My only real criticism of the list, is that I do believe that in average hands, Stamblade is a bit behind the other two. I think the ceiling is honestly just as high, but I do think that stamblades are a little harder to play and there are more direct counters to their main defense, cloak.
But yes. Stamina has been stronger than magic for a long while now in PVP. And well, these are the two pay 2 play classes. Not saying that should make them the most powerful, but it certainly isnt shocking.0 -
Vlad9425✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭techyeshic wrote: »I’m sorry but how are you putting Stamblade in the same category as those two broken classes? Stamblade has the worst group utility in the game and most of them are squishy and very easy to deal with in PvP? Also many Mag and Stam builds run reveal abilities on their bars which counter cloak reliably.
With how many NBs are running around Cyrodiil they provide mark and thats a great utility rather than waste time trying to find a ganker. You don't have to be squishy. In the current meta and AOE cooldowns, and procs, they are at least 3rd.
Mark is a waste of ability slot and I haven’t seen it used by decent NB players in a long time in PvP. Also NB is one of the least played classes in PvP and requires a lot of skill to pull off to make the class effective. Stamden and Stamcro are on another level altogether.0 -
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✭I’m sorry but how are you putting Stamblade in the same category as those two broken classes? Stamblade has the worst group utility in the game and most of them are squishy and very easy to deal with in PvP? Also many Mag and Stam builds run reveal abilities on their bars which counter cloak reliably.
Exactly the reason why stamblade is a good basegameclass in 1vX is bc its extremly terrible in group fights. Fighting one enemy after another is where stamblades should excel same with magsorcs.class representative for the working class, non-cp, bwb and Trolling0 -
techyeshic✭✭✭✭✭techyeshic wrote: »I’m sorry but how are you putting Stamblade in the same category as those two broken classes? Stamblade has the worst group utility in the game and most of them are squishy and very easy to deal with in PvP? Also many Mag and Stam builds run reveal abilities on their bars which counter cloak reliably.
With how many NBs are running around Cyrodiil they provide mark and thats a great utility rather than waste time trying to find a ganker. You don't have to be squishy. In the current meta and AOE cooldowns, and procs, they are at least 3rd.
Mark is a waste of ability slot and I haven’t seen it used by decent NB players in a long time in PvP. Also NB is one of the least played classes in PvP and requires a lot of skill to pull off to make the class effective. Stamden and Stamcro are on another level altogether.
You're either kidding or You're playing a different game than me0 -
techyeshic✭✭✭✭✭OlumoGarbag wrote: »I’m sorry but how are you putting Stamblade in the same category as those two broken classes? Stamblade has the worst group utility in the game and most of them are squishy and very easy to deal with in PvP? Also many Mag and Stam builds run reveal abilities on their bars which counter cloak reliably.
Exactly the reason why stamblade is a good basegameclass in 1vX is bc its extremly terrible in group fights. Fighting one enemy after another is where stamblades should excel same with magsorcs.
I have been playing stamnb for the past 3 days after not much for months or years. All in group fights, not ganking over 3 hours or so the night before last which would have been my 2nd night. in a group from 4-9 people at keep sieges, went 104 kills, 19 KBs, 0 deaths. No procs. They are absolutely fine and I doubt 2 days in is a steep learning curve.
With sorcs not able to recast shields right now and all limited to single target; EASILY top 30 -
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ImSoPro✭✭✭It’s not hard to make classes bursty and tanky. Necro and Warden as classes overall have a lot of tankiness built in. I wouldn’t say any of those classes are favored. There are some elite stam blades out there that absolutely wreck everyone but for the most part they’re avg. Yeah the poison inject spam but it’s nothing to dodge roll and purge it off. Los them and they won’t even look for you they’ll just move on to the next target leaving their flank open.
Mobility counters stamdens. I do well vs them on my magsorc streaking behind them before the shalks can hit.
Stam classes in general seem to perform better in PvP because they have universal executes and they all just spam dizzy and executioners. Aside from crushing shock I don’t really know a mag weapon skill that compares. Force pulse is actually also really good in heavy aoe builds. Stam has 2H, DW, and SnB. DW also has really good weapon skills. Mag has...destruction staff, and every mag class plays differently.
IMO it takes more skill to be as good on mag as you are on stam. More flavor in mag. All stam classes resolve around some combo of dizzy and executioner. Also easier to manage stam than mag and it’s easier to increase WD than SD. Yeah I like my stamden and stamcro but I feel way better when I’m winning on my mag classes.Edited by ImSoPro on October 22, 2020 6:12AM2 -
LightYagami✭✭✭✭✭Warden netch is EXTREMELY powerful in PvP
One skill gives you FREE cleanse, FREE buff, FREE regeneration.No improvement on Cyrodill servers -> no ESO plus renewal.0 -
Morwaenna✭✭✭A moment of silence for all those who put time and effort into their mag characters. RIP.0
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Chaos2088✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Stamina seems to be favoured in pvp lands when it comes to balancing.@Chaos2088 PC EU Server | AD-PvP0
