That would be really cool, like when you zone into Cyrodiil your current gear load out is replaced with generic armor with only tri-enchants. That sort of test would be a boatload of fun.

A stat based set only campaign or BG would be interesting to see. Sets that increase your damage or regen conditionally would still be OK. Stuhns's and Lich allowed, but Skoria and Viper would not.

Gilvoth wrote: »

can you have 1 week without proc sets as a test?
sure, as long as we can also have 1 week test without animation canceling, because i bet we would see the truth about the stress on the servers that animation canceling causes when compared to the proc sets.

I'd take you up on the offer in a second.

Because during the no-animation canceling test, Cyrodiil will have 1 bar pops across the board by the end of the week and we can put to bed forever all those myopic posts begging ZOS to remove animation cancelling.

Meanwhile, the no proc set week, ZOS will have to open additional campaigns to accommodate the vast ques of people who are actually looking to fight players instead of gear sets.

ZOS's beancounters will take note and force the devs to take the game in a healthy direction.

Joy_Division wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

can you have 1 week without proc sets as a test?
sure, as long as we can also have 1 week test without animation canceling, because i bet we would see the truth about the stress on the servers that animation canceling causes when compared to the proc sets.

I'd take you up on the offer in a second.

Because during the no-animation canceling test, Cyrodiil will have 1 bar pops across the board by the end of the week and we can put to bed forever all those myopic posts begging ZOS to remove animation cancelling.

Meanwhile, the no proc set week, ZOS will have to open additional campaigns to accommodate the vast ques of people who are actually looking to fight players instead of gear sets.

ZOS's beancounters will take note and force the devs to take the game in a healthy direction.

I'm not sure that would be the case. No proc sets at all would severely impact the ability to control zergs and the fights would be rlly boring vs just no ani cancelling (which normally doesn't work well in lag anyway) being frustrating but easily manageable. I'd still enjoy seeing the tests and results though.

Xiomaro wrote: »

Here's a question. Do people consider a set like Master's Dual Wield to be a proc set? It doesn't follow the general proc balancing. It adds around 1.1k DPS vs 1.6k (before Battle Spirit) for almost all procs sets however it can crit.

I'd put it in the same boat as oblivions foe or masters 2h, not technically a procset, but enhancing an ability.
But then again we couldn't call heavy attack sets procsets either than so who knows.
I'd still say that sets that do damage independently from your skills should be called proc sets, so I guess my answer is no, it's not a proc set.

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense that they would create any more lag than any other abilities, and in fact they probably cause less due to the fact that most of them have cooldowns and the conditions for them have been made easier to calculate (on damage instead of % chance on crit or whatever). An ability searching for a target is no different than a proc set doing the same, one just does it automatically and the other does it with an input.

Xiomaro wrote: »

Here's a question. Do people consider a set like Master's Dual Wield to be a proc set? It doesn't follow the general proc balancing. It adds around 1.1k DPS vs 1.6k (before Battle Spirit) for almost all procs sets however it can crit.

First of all I'm surprised it can crit, you wouldn't know it from the tooltip.

Another that's up in the air, Dragon's Appetite.

Those sets don't really discourage you from getting your damage from abilities, they just give your abilities an extra edge, same way stat sets do. They don't really break the resource economy, they don't break the cooldown economy, they don't create low-risk/high-reward playstyles, they don't add additional cleansable effects.

Because the boost is flat though they do make up for building into survivability and sustain somewhat. At the extreme, I guess it's possible that the set itself would do more damage than your rending slashes if you have really low damage.

Pls give monster set or 5p set that makes u immune to proccdmg and procc healing, also debuff/buff from a set.

I honestly don't think removing proc sets for a week would have a significant or noticeable impact on performance that being said it would make pvp a heck of a lot more enjoyable so I'm all for it. If more people think this way maybe we can get another active campaign going.