why no shield stamdps monster set?
Playboy_Shrek
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magicka have two and a skill that gives a shield. but stamina that has to be in melee range and more risk to take damage don't, seems like a headscratcher
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UntilValhalla13✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Stam is more about evading damage and mechanics, instead of shielding through them. I always love playing stam because it forces you to be more raid aware.0 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Another question is why no Bleed Damage monster set or a Poison Damage set that is usable by a DPS.
Of course, magDPS are still waiting for a true Frost Damage helm as well as a dedicated Shock Damage helm.0 -
Playboy_Shrek✭✭✭UntilValhalla13 wrote: »Stam is more about evading damage and mechanics, instead of shielding through them. I always love playing stam because it forces you to be more raid aware.
that doesn't make sense when you are more likely to get hit by direct damage thats unavoidable or very hard to avoid0 -
Kurat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You can do overland stuff or RP with any setup. But if you talking about pve endgame then go mag or go home.0 -
Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭@YandereGirlfriendYandereGirlfriend wrote: »Another question is why no Bleed Damage monster set or a Poison Damage set that is usable by a DPS.
Of course, magDPS are still waiting for a true Frost Damage helm as well as a dedicated Shock Damage helm.
There is a poison damage set for stam dps...
Spawn of Mephala = Poison dot, aoe
Although its not poison, there are a number of disease based Monster sets...
Velidreth = Disease
Maarselok = Disease dot
Thurvokun = Disease dot
Lady Thorn = Disease
This brief exercise has led to my agreeing, there should be a new poison based Monster set!
There are indeed no bleed damage Monster sets I can think of, the closest thing to it is probably Scourge Harvester, which "steals|" health over time. So yes a bleed damage Monster set would be welcome also!
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Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭You can do overland stuff or RP with any setup. But if you talking about pve endgame then go mag or go home.
^ This is untrue.
One of the guilds I am in is almost exclusively focused on end game, trials progression, vet trials and score pushing for leaderboards. There is no stipulation for mag or stam, only for dps - for the score runs at the highest level, the stipulated requirement is dps in excess of 80k, which every single stam class can achieve (though of course not every single person).
Play how you like.1 -
UntilValhalla13✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Playboy_Shrek wrote: »UntilValhalla13 wrote: »Stam is more about evading damage and mechanics, instead of shielding through them. I always love playing stam because it forces you to be more raid aware.
that doesn't make sense when you are more likely to get hit by direct damage thats unavoidable or very hard to avoid
I've done all vet trials on various stam characters over the years. It's not that bad avoiding aoes/mechanics, especially if you know what every boss/elite add in the game is capable of and what their animations look like. Which attacks specifically are you referring to?0 -
Everest_Lionheart✭✭✭✭✭I'd take major evasion over a shield
Yeah NB has it nice with mirage plus leeching strikes. Shield monster set not needed so can go all in dmg with Selene for single target or Velidreth for AOE. Sellistrix is also fun, less dmg but the guaranteed proc plus knockdowns make mob cleanup a breeze.
Mag toons need those monster helm shields because shields are crazy expensive for their duration and at times unreliable. Mag still going all in dmg though with Zaan, maw, grothdarr sets. The shield based sets are more for solo builds.0 -
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✭✭✭Playboy_Shrek wrote: »
Don't use either that often personally but having to cast a skill either every 40ish seconds to mitigate 25% dmg or cast one that actually does dmg seems a lot better than a shield that lasts 6 seconds (if it lasts that long it was a waste even casting it, if you actually needed it it will only last a second or two) and can only mitigate 10-12k damage per cast. I know noobs like to spam shields instead of playing smart but that doesn't help kill anything.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA1 -
Everest_Lionheart✭✭✭✭✭Playboy_Shrek wrote: »
Don't use either that often personally but having to cast a skill either every 40ish seconds to mitigate 25% dmg or cast one that actually does dmg seems a lot better than a shield that lasts 6 seconds (if it lasts that long it was a waste even casting it, if you actually needed it it will only last a second or two) and can only mitigate 10-12k damage per cast. I know noobs like to spam shields instead of playing smart but that doesn't help kill anything.
Those shields are for us squishy MagDK playing in melee range to survive mechanics. Spamming them is stupid, volatile armour is my go to which is mitigation plus dot, but for some trials and dungeons I also slot igneous shield to survive certain mechs and help out my other mag users that may miss their own shields. Teamwork makes the dream work!1 -
Anyron✭✭✭✭✭
✭It depends where you are playing.. But i think monster items providing shield are garbage everywhere.. Waste of item slots
And yes shields are expensive, especially in noCp PvP0 -
Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭Playboy_Shrek wrote: »
Don't use either that often personally but having to cast a skill either every 40ish seconds to mitigate 25% dmg or cast one that actually does dmg seems a lot better than a shield that lasts 6 seconds (if it lasts that long it was a waste even casting it, if you actually needed it it will only last a second or two) and can only mitigate 10-12k damage per cast. I know noobs like to spam shields instead of playing smart but that doesn't help kill anything.
Remember its 25% mitigation of aoe damage only...the shield mitigates damage from any source and if one is "playing smart" you should not be taking much aoe damage. By the same token yeah, if youre "playing smart", one should not really need the shield, certainly not spammed.
But the reality is quite different. In busy content, with multiple different sources of damage coming at you, you cannot avoid everything. In which case a shield spam at crucial moments can keep you alive in multiple situations, can enable res of team mates, etc . This is amplified in solo content like the arenas or tough wb.
Mag generally need a shield, or op heals. I use both methods depending on the class/build being used.0 -
Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Grianasteri wrote: »Playboy_Shrek wrote: »
Don't use either that often personally but having to cast a skill either every 40ish seconds to mitigate 25% dmg or cast one that actually does dmg seems a lot better than a shield that lasts 6 seconds (if it lasts that long it was a waste even casting it, if you actually needed it it will only last a second or two) and can only mitigate 10-12k damage per cast. I know noobs like to spam shields instead of playing smart but that doesn't help kill anything.
Remember its 25% mitigation of aoe damage only...the shield mitigates damage from any source and if one is "playing smart" you should not be taking much aoe damage. By the same token yeah, if youre "playing smart", one should not really need the shield, certainly not spammed.
But the reality is quite different. In busy content, with multiple different sources of damage coming at you, you cannot avoid everything. In which case a shield spam at crucial moments can keep you alive in multiple situations, can enable res of team mates, etc . This is amplified in solo content like the arenas or tough wb.
Mag generally need a shield, or op heals. I use both methods depending on the class/build being used.
What mechanics aren't AoE damage? There's also plenty of unavoidable mechanics. You can avoid Llothis cone when he targets you? Meteors in vHOF execute? Lightning in vKA? The zone wide damage in vKA execute? Pretty much anything a DPS will get hit with is AoE damage.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Playboy_Shrek wrote: »UntilValhalla13 wrote: »Stam is more about evading damage and mechanics, instead of shielding through them. I always love playing stam because it forces you to be more raid aware.
that doesn't make sense when you are more likely to get hit by direct damage thats unavoidable or very hard to avoid
The melee players, which have been all stam, that die to PBAoEs are not even trying to get out of the brightly lit telegraphed area that warns them of the impending AoE. These players are not even blocking.
They are dying to avoidable damage. Not sure what unavoidable damage you are speaking of.1 -
ichsuisme✭✭✭If you want a stamina shield skill use the bone shield from undaunted, the morph of the 2H cleave that grants a shield, or absorb/deflect missile that also gives a shield.
Stamina characters can roll dodge more often though which is why they don’t usually rely on shield skills. They can just roll away from the danger. A magicka toon can really only afford to roll once or twice in quick succession.
The two mag shield monster helms aren’t even that great though. I don’t know any end-game pve or pvp build that recommends iceheart or mother c. Of course — even if they’re not recommended, anyone could still use them. So, as long if you’re not making an end-game build, what’s actually stopping you from using either of these sets to begin with? And if you are making an end-game build, why would you want something like these?0 -
Everest_Lionheart✭✭✭✭✭If you want a stamina shield skill use the bone shield from undaunted, the morph of the 2H cleave that grants a shield, or absorb/deflect missile that also gives a shield.
Stamina characters can roll dodge more often though which is why they don’t usually rely on shield skills. They can just roll away from the danger. A magicka toon can really only afford to roll once or twice in quick succession.
The two mag shield monster helms aren’t even that great though. I don’t know any end-game pve or pvp build that recommends iceheart or mother c. Of course — even if they’re not recommended, anyone could still use them. So, as long if you’re not making an end-game build, what’s actually stopping you from using either of these sets to begin with? And if you are making an end-game build, why would you want something like these?
Those helms are for solo builds to be honest. I run Iceheart on magplar to solo vet dungeons or for maelstrom. I will use it in the new arena as well. But when I’m running trials and dungeons I am running maw or 1pc domihaus and 1pc slimecraw.0