Magica Detonation was nerfed the wrong way or it's bugged and it's usless now

Swordancer · October 2020

I belive that this sklill is usless now. I mean there was no morph for physical damage so magica bulds were abusing this skill with thier high spell penetration and damage. Nightblades could be invisible with it and that was other problem. Instead of nerfing it this skill should get some disadventages, large cooldown and physical damage stamina morph but now it is just small fart that is usless. I don't even care when I am marked, Im not moving out of my group becouse it won't kill anyone. Some sets does more damage to the gorup than this skill.

This skill should be redesigned, not nerfed. It was useful to fight ball groups which are using lags on their advantage

ganzaeso · October 2020

I have not seen any changes to this skill in quite some time. What are you referring to?

hakan · October 2020

i think its being magicka only is fine. and where did you see this getting nerfed?

Swordancer · October 2020

It doesn't work with large group. I remember there was group limit nerf, then they removed it, and now I can't use my old build to kill a group or it's just not working like it used to. It was nerfed or it isn't work like it suppose to. At least not when I was playing last evening.

Vevvev · October 2020

All my failures to actually kill someone with the ability I attribute to the server thinking I'm 5-10 meters behind where I see myself on the screen. Same reason I can never seem to land Mesmerize and sometimes a nightblade's spammable will count as a flank despite the fact their opponent was looking at them the whole time.

Swordancer · October 2020

Yeah I think there is something wrong with it or lags are casung it to fail. I remember sneaking in to group and killing everyone. Now I cant fart with it. It's somhow broken or it's not usefull anymore due to the increase in popularity of tanky builds. I don't know but I belive this skill should be verified.

ganzaeso · October 2020

You could also be trying to bomb groups that know how to counter it. There are not that many casuals in Cyrodiil because of the AOE testing.

SgtNuttzmeg · October 2020

Swordancer wrote: »

I belive that this sklill is usless now. I mean there was no morph for physical damage so magica bulds were abusing this skill with thier high spell penetration and damage. Nightblades could be invisible with it and that was other problem. Instead of nerfing it this skill should get some disadventages, large cooldown and physical damage stamina morph but now it is just small fart that is usless. I don't even care when I am marked, Im not moving out of my group becouse it won't kill anyone. Some sets does more damage to the gorup than this skill.

This skill should be redesigned, not nerfed. It was useful to fight ball groups which are using lags on their advantage

I can assure you this skill is as strong as ever. [snip] Because this skill is like the staple skill used in organized large scale fights.

[Edited to remove Baiting]

Swordancer · October 2020

SgtNuttzmeg wrote: »

Swordancer wrote: »

I belive that this sklill is usless now. I mean there was no morph for physical damage so magica bulds were abusing this skill with thier high spell penetration and damage. Nightblades could be invisible with it and that was other problem. Instead of nerfing it this skill should get some disadventages, large cooldown and physical damage stamina morph but now it is just small fart that is usless. I don't even care when I am marked, Im not moving out of my group becouse it won't kill anyone. Some sets does more damage to the gorup than this skill.

This skill should be redesigned, not nerfed. It was useful to fight ball groups which are using lags on their advantage

I can assure you this skill is as strong as ever. [snip] Because this skill is like the staple skill used in organized large scale fights.

No I am not. There is something wrong with it but I it is possible I was using it too short. I know they are doing tests and also lags are stronger than ever.

SgtNuttzmeg · October 2020

Swordancer wrote: »

SgtNuttzmeg wrote: »

Swordancer wrote: »

I belive that this sklill is usless now. I mean there was no morph for physical damage so magica bulds were abusing this skill with thier high spell penetration and damage. Nightblades could be invisible with it and that was other problem. Instead of nerfing it this skill should get some disadventages, large cooldown and physical damage stamina morph but now it is just small fart that is usless. I don't even care when I am marked, Im not moving out of my group becouse it won't kill anyone. Some sets does more damage to the gorup than this skill.

This skill should be redesigned, not nerfed. It was useful to fight ball groups which are using lags on their advantage

I can assure you this skill is as strong as ever. [snip] Because this skill is like the staple skill used in organized large scale fights.

No I am not. There is something wrong with it but I it is possible I was using it too short. I know they are doing tests and also lags are stronger than ever.

Are you allowing it to run it's full duration? The idea behind the skill is that you activate it and it goes off 7 secs later. It's not a spamable. Not sure if this is what went wrong.

Vevvev · October 2020

Yeah, the more I think of this the more I realize it's the server causing all the problems you're talking about OP. Like when I a Fossilized someone last night they continued to move forward till they stopped where the server actually had them, and when I used Engulfing Flames in front of everyone it only got the people close to me.

Try moving ahead of where your targets are going after casting the skill and see how that works. Also when bombing try to leave a second or two to stay still so the server is up to date on your actual position.

thegreat_one · October 2020

yeah if its laggy add 5-8 seconds to your actual proxy to go off. Negates will also stop it i think.
i've been in the middle of a large group only to hit 2 people. But they "moved" out of it, the lag just did not show them move until after the proxy went off......

It is annoying.

Swordancer · October 2020

Ok I will try to check it out once more tomoorow. Thanks for anwsers.

itscompton · October 2020

I'm a bit confused OP. Are you saying that the ability needs to be changed or already has? Because aside from removing the cap on how many it can hit they haven't touched it in quite a while.
And are you saying it hits like a wet noodle on a stam character? If so that's not surprising. On my Mnb it crits on single targets for 4.5K and I've seen from 12-15K when it goes off in the middle of an enemy group.
The thing is most groups usually have multiple healers and run with 30K health so even a Det that crits for 15K only gets a group to 50% and unless you've stunned at least most of the healers they'll just burst heal everyone back up before you can get a kill.

ArchMikem · October 2020

Mfw I still get one shot by Mag Det bombs.

CaffeinatedMayhem · October 2020

Magicka detonation by itself has never been able to kill a group in CP PvP (or noCP) at least that i am aware of.

A typical bomb is multiple attacks timed to go off within 1 second of eachother:

Onslaght or Soul Shred (full 500 ult + Balorgh) maybe Dawnbreaker
Magicak det (hope at least 1 player dies here for Vicious Death to proc)
Impulse/SapEssence to clean up

If you an use an extra damage/stun like Ambush that helps.

Honestly, most bombs will fail, unless you're hitting a group of players with low armor. If anyone survives the bomb the bomber is going to die.

Bombing hasn't been "easy" outside of Midyear for quite some time. Remember when Magicka Detonation didn't have a telegraph from stealth?

Edit: For those asking about Stamina Bombing you'll need the Master's 2h (DSA) called Titanic Cleave. It's much harder to pull off than a magicka bomb tho.

Treb_U_Shae · October 2020

Can confirm, mag det works as it should, have to combine it with the correct sets, and time the 8 second mag det timer with your ultimate, and then spammable (if necessary). Mostly the spammable isn't necessary, cause if you timed it right (and your skills actually fired lol), all of your targets are down. Mag det by itself probably won't kill anyone though, so hopefully OP is pairing it with specific skills and sets in order to maximize damage output.

barney2525 · October 2020

Swordancer wrote: »

Yeah I think there is something wrong with it or lags are casung it to fail. I remember sneaking in to group and killing everyone. Now I cant fart with it. It's somhow broken or it's not usefull anymore due to the increase in popularity of tanky builds. I don't know but I belive this skill should be verified.

we need skills to fart in this game ?

I had no idea

Danksta · October 2020

Swordancer wrote: »

Yeah I think there is something wrong with it or lags are casung it to fail. I remember sneaking in to group and killing everyone. Now I cant fart with it. It's somhow broken or it's not usefull anymore due to the increase in popularity of tanky builds. I don't know but I belive this skill should be verified.

Maybe they can hear your fart so they end up blocking your attack. Gotta be sneakier than that.

thegreat_one · October 2020

Seems fine to me. PC/NA CP camp maybe 2 weeks

https://youtu.be/-566CiL0BN8

JonnytheKing · October 2020

Swordancer wrote: »

I belive that this sklill is usless now. I mean there was no morph for physical damage so magica bulds were abusing this skill with thier high spell penetration and damage. Nightblades could be invisible with it and that was other problem. Instead of nerfing it this skill should get some disadventages, large cooldown and physical damage stamina morph but now it is just small fart that is usless. I don't even care when I am marked, Im not moving out of my group becouse it won't kill anyone. Some sets does more damage to the gorup than this skill.

This skill should be redesigned, not nerfed. It was useful to fight ball groups which are using lags on their advantage

what build are u using it with