How is DPS this low on CP 500+ toons?

WaywardArgonian · October 2020

I was able to get to a fairly high level by just questing and participating in events. Also, the absence of combat logs without the use of Addons like Combat Metrics makes many people unaware of the fact that they're being carried through dungeons and trials. So it's well possible to spend years in this game without learning a decent dps rotation simply because a lot of content doesn't require it and the game doesn't really go out of its way to teach people.

Grianasteri · October 2020

ForeverJenn wrote: »

So I levelled a tank over the weekend. Several times, while doing my random normal dungeons, I'd get groups of 3 500+CP. These groups were pulling 5-8k dps as a group, with me doing about 40% as a tank. How is this even possible? I am asking because I only tank and heal and am 810+ and my friends range from 18k to 60k per person. How are ppl this high doing less dps then my lowbie tank? I just wonder how this is possible, as I'm not dps, but even if I do try, I can at least pull 18k without knowing what I'm doing. Bots maybe?

Easy, CP is only ONE component of DPS. HIgh CP does not magically = high or even decent dps.

I know of 810 cp players, who when tested for the first time were doing about 12k dps. They had never heard of light attack weaving, or a rotation and were not running anything even close to meta. Their CP allocation was also all over the place anyway, and tons of it had not even been allocated. I also know of a CP300 player, who was basically in the same boat as above, but was not even running full sets, they didnt have a single full set on.

All of the above is absolutely fine, you can clear everything overland like that, and probably most normal dungeons no problem, especially in a reasonable group. You can have great fun.

So, when you think about it, its actually easy to see how an average, casual player, who plays for fun, even long term, just hasnt engaged with the things that increase dps.

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO · October 2020

It amazes me to see posters having cleared group dungeons solo but still hesitating to set their foot in a group, for fear of dragging the group down! Come on, you are more than good enough to raise the bar in most random groups! Clearing a group dungeon solo means you are more than capable of running the vet version of that same dungeon with a group, and if you can clear even normal Fungal Grotto 1 solo, I would be happy to accompany you through any non-DLC vet dungeon.

The DDs that tanks and healers are referring to as "bad" in threads like these would have problems soloing the first group of trash mobs in the easiest group dungeons, and would surely die horribly on the first heavy hit from the first boss. Then they would just leave and stop trying. They have absolutely no idea on how to deal any decent damage, and they seem to have have no desire to learn. I'm not asking for stellar DPS from random people -- as a tank I'm used to having to deal with 10-15k group DPS in a pick-up group, and as a healer I'm used to seeing my measly 10k collateral DPS from shards, elemental wall and light/heavy attacks amount to around half of the group damage. That's fine. I can deal with light attack spammers doing 5-6k DPS, if they can stay out of red, not insist on hugging the tank and not constantly run out of the heals. It's when the group DPS drops below 10k that I am starting to lose my patience.

If you can solo a group dungeon or a public dungeon, or even reliably make it through a delve without assistance, please, please, please, do not hesitate to queue for a dungeon group! You have no idea how bad some other people are, and you are dearly needed.

hafgood · October 2020

The problem is the basic assumption. There seems to be a lot of thought in this game that someone who is high CP is good at the game. And that simply is not the case.

There are very good low CP players, there are very bad high CP players.

I was a very bad high CP player, I played solo for my first year, had no idea about sets or light attack building. I got to the point I could solo a dolmen and clear public dungeons, it would take time but I could do it.

Then I joined a guild.

My eyes were opened to the world of builds. I changed my race, found a build I liked and started working on it.

My dps improved, my survivability improved. I got better sets, I started to use sets! I started to do dungeons and trials. I improved my sets some more.

All the time I listened to other players and learnt. I heard people go - on they are 810 they must be good, and corrected them. I'd got to 810 and was far from good.

Now at 1180 I'm confident, I understand LA weaving, I understand rotations, I do vet content all the time and am slowly working through vet trials.

My dps is better, but could improve as I'm only hitting 53k but I'm not a natural gamer, I enjoy it but I've the reflexes of my age (over 50) not those of a 20 year old.

It takes time for me to understand mechanics and how to stay alive but each time I do a dungeon or trial on vet I gain a better understanding of it. I know others my age who are far superior players to me, it bothers me not a bit.

The point I'm trying to make is that CP means nothing unless you know how to use it. Many of those Puggjng are likely to be solo players that haven't got a clue. Instead of calling them potatoes try to help them, many won't want the help but some will. I'm grateful for the guild I ended up in as they helped me become the better player I am. Many don't join a guild (I was scared to, I'm not a social butterfly) and so miss out on the help available, or they join a bad guild that offers no help and ls go back to being solo.

Danikat · October 2020

High CP is only reflective of the amount of XP gained, nothing else. Someone could have 1000CP and have never done anything in the game except farm XP in one spot in the open-world. Since my crafter got to level 50 a lot of my CP have come from turning in daily crafting writs and master writs. I'll often get 3 or 4 points in one go from those (I'm still only on about 300CP) since he's always got the enlightened buff. But doing that doesn't teach me anything about combat.

Similarly someone who spends all their time working on having the best possible build and high DPS could actually have relatively low CP because a lot of what they'd be doing wouldn't get them XP. They'd have to get to 160CP before farming gear of course, and they'd want to get to 810CP but they'd likely also be aware that CP have diminishing returns where the more points you put in the less benefit they give, so they'd prioritise practicing their rotations and are likely to start doing dungeons before hitting 810, knowing they don't need the points and the XP they get from the dungeons will go towards it anyway.

More importantly I think a lot of gamers tend to assume the vast majority of people playing the same game will play it the way they do. PvP players imagine everyone playing PvE is just doing it until they level up and/or get bored, then they'll move on to PvP because that's the true end game and the only thing which can remain interesting indefinitely. People who care about having good builds and rotations and high DPS imagine that's important to everyone else too and people who don't do that just aren't there yet or don't know how. People who always give their characters lore appropriate names imagine that people who call them "Lol Beanz" or whatever just don't understand the lore and don't know how to choose a good name (or are deliberately trolling). And so on.

But it's not true. For every person who is like you there will be at least two who couldn't care less about the things which are important to you and enjoy the game for entirely different reasons. And they're not wrong necessarily, just playing it differently. Even the ones who think as long as they do enough damage that the enemy dies before they do then their build is fine, regardless of how much better it could be.

svendf · October 2020

Kurat wrote: »

NoSoup wrote: »

You're doing random normals, what do you expect?

Lol. I tanked vDoM the other day and we had cp 600ish dps in group wearing ebon and s&b. I asked if he queued for wrong role by accident or something but no, he said survivability matters to him lol. Group dps was barely 20k but we managed to clear it after 2 hours. Dont ask why I stayed coz I dont know lol.

You are onto something here

When I heal I do have some time to look a bit closer at group´s members if I don´t have to dps myself out of troubles.

I se alot of survival builds with low damage in dungdeon´s. The other day I had a group member, which role was dps. This dps used Winter's Respite resulting in low damage out put. I had to do more damage instead with my Necro healer.

You need to ente normal dungeon´s sometimes to se, what you will se later on in vet - because it´s there it all starts

Danksta · October 2020

Why would bots run dungeons? Seems like it would be a more complicated script to write and it's not very profitable.

Wolfster · October 2020

I've seen CP 810 players with bows spamming light attacks all day.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

zaria · October 2020

ForeverJenn wrote: »

I'm glad to see it's not just me witnessing this, then. Maybe it's more noticable on the tank. I usually play healer and that's about 8k average...enough to make up for a gap. But 3 ppl not doing more than 5kdps as a group seems to just be an unfortunate circumstance. Now I wonder how many DDs were carrying the other all this time...

I say its rare but not used finder much as solo tank outside some normal dlc.
Seen so low numbers once it was on nBC2 on my first tank leveling to 50, it was an group of one below 50 and two very low cp ones however so an lack of experience and horrible gear, no AoE at all so found that keeper Indril and the daedrots on last boss is dps checks you can fail in normal

I say you must pick up some skill over time, just questing with < 3 k dps must be horrible slow and I think you could get serious problem in some quests if you also are very squeezy.
And yes back then I did lots of random normal I saw some weird stuff but it was mostly on healer or DD so you could compensate, tank have an harder time here unless using overland build.
Problem with my first tank was I focused on tanking thinking I could get the skillpoints for overland build from dungeons

Sunderling · October 2020

This is totally aside from the main body of this topic, but as a player who's been playing for a couple months now I pretty much exclusively run dungeons. I'm CP 340 and have really been taking my time with it.

I have the gear I want on my Magsorc (and my Stamblade) and with help I have almost everything traited where I want. I have a couple hat/shoulder sets..

I pull about 30% - 50% in most Vet Dungeons. Sometimes I pull as high as 60% but those are the relatively easy dungeons.

As a DPS, such as a Magsorc, at CP 340 running with players between CP 500 - 810, is 30% - 50% reasonable? I'm pretty new to combat metrics and sometimes I'm not even sure if I am reading it right.

vgabor · October 2020

Sunderling wrote: »

As a DPS, such as a Magsorc, at CP 340 running with players between CP 500 - 810, is 30% - 50% reasonable? I'm pretty new to combat metrics and sometimes I'm not even sure if I am reading it right.

Generally in a 4 player group with 2 competent dds you as dd will do 40-45% of the damage, so the two dd doing 80-90% and the tank+healer taking up the rest. If you're above 50%, the other dd slacking. If you doing about 30-35% either you guys have a high damage healer or you're slacking

Edit: the above for boss fight, on bigger mobs it can be different depending on if you have an aoe build or single target.

DMuehlhausen · October 2020

Getting to CP 500 isn't really hard. Also a lot of people play alone trying to make the game more Skyrim where you see other people. So they don't understand or care about rotations or the right skills.

So then when they start trying to do that content they don't know what they are doing.

Linaleah · October 2020

Rexy18 wrote: »

This is one of the things I always found fascinating about randoms, how is it physically possible to reach numbers that low. You get 15k on a non-raid dummy from LAs (just LAs, no skills, pots, ultis or buffs). Doing <10k DPS seems harder to achieve than 90k+.

you know... I've never been able to do that? people keep saying this, and yet, i've never been able to do that myself. in decent gear (purple sets, with decent traits worst being infused), basic food buff, cp distributed just following a guide.... and I've never been able to do that with just light attacks. apparently I do not click my mouse quickly enough. damn old fingers.

and dummy is stationary so you do not have to worry to keep at your target as much. in ESO when your target is moving around, or you have to move around to not die from crap on the ground - target is NOT sticking like in more old school MMO's, so it is very VERY easy for your light attacks to not land at all since they still fire, even if your targeting is off.

people forget that not everyone is god's gift to gaming and this game is incredibly unforgiving if your reflexes are not great, if your multitasking is not great.

P.S. and even as much as I suck, i HAVE cleared some dungeons solo on normal. slower but I have. so /shrug

zaria · October 2020

vgabor wrote: »

Sunderling wrote: »

As a DPS, such as a Magsorc, at CP 340 running with players between CP 500 - 810, is 30% - 50% reasonable? I'm pretty new to combat metrics and sometimes I'm not even sure if I am reading it right.

Generally in a 4 player group with 2 competent dds you as dd will do 40-45% of the damage, so the two dd doing 80-90% and the tank+healer taking up the rest. If you're above 50%, the other dd slacking. If you doing about 30-35% either you guys have a high damage healer or you're slacking

Edit: the above for boss fight, on bigger mobs it can be different depending on if you have an aoe build or single target.

Yes, and you can see that healer is doing, he should do some damage if none get low on health.
Always stay more on healing staff on last boss in HM.
And DD skills vary a lot, I say 20k single target is acceptable for most non dlc vet dungeons, now if you come in with an group where other dd does 40K, healer does 12K and tank does 4, you do 25% of damage. Enjoy the run

Now I would not do vet dlc with 20k.

Test on an dummy, your dps will be higher in dungeon if its just an burn fight because buffs from tank and healer, much more so in trials. But if its lots of mechanics it will be lower.

Raideen · October 2020

Ysbriel wrote: »

@Raideen have you used the constellations addon? is the best addon to pair with combat metrics that will tell you where to put the CP based on your own performance.

+1
I have not, thank you. I will look into it.

ForeverJenn · October 2020

Yes. I don't go into a PUG expecting 60k+ dps. What I'm saying is 5k total group dps on two +700s and a +500 is INSANELY low. They are moving. They are getting upset when I question how it is possible. And I'm not trying to be rude, I just don't understand how the DPS can be THAT low. One person not knowing how to play should at least be able to pull 5k. If there are two DDs that just fart around, they could get 10-15. But 5k total? It blows my mind. Maybe they have starter gear still on? It's all I can think of.

ForeverJenn · October 2020

@stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO So you're seeing below 10k too? That's what I'm not understanding. It's not just low. Under 10k is REALLY REALLY REALLY low and I'm failing to see how it's possible. My healers do 8-10K on a boss. My tank does about 2-3k. If everyone is doing an average of a measely 5k, that could be be like 20k group dps. BUT 5 with the tank doing half?!

ForeverJenn · October 2020

Grianasteri wrote: »

ForeverJenn wrote: »

So I levelled a tank over the weekend. Several times, while doing my random normal dungeons, I'd get groups of 3 500+CP. These groups were pulling 5-8k dps as a group, with me doing about 40% as a tank. How is this even possible? I am asking because I only tank and heal and am 810+ and my friends range from 18k to 60k per person. How are ppl this high doing less dps then my lowbie tank? I just wonder how this is possible, as I'm not dps, but even if I do try, I can at least pull 18k without knowing what I'm doing. Bots maybe?

Easy, CP is only ONE component of DPS. HIgh CP does not magically = high or even decent dps.

I know of 810 cp players, who when tested for the first time were doing about 12k dps. They had never heard of light attack weaving, or a rotation and were not running anything even close to meta. Their CP allocation was also all over the place anyway, and tons of it had not even been allocated. I also know of a CP300 player, who was basically in the same boat as above, but was not even running full sets, they didnt have a single full set on.

All of the above is absolutely fine, you can clear everything overland like that, and probably most normal dungeons no problem, especially in a reasonable group. You can have great fun.

So, when you think about it, its actually easy to see how an average, casual player, who plays for fun, even long term, just hasnt engaged with the things that increase dps.

Yeah but your example is of a guy that's doing twice as much dps as these group combined. That's why I'm so confused.

Casdha · October 2020

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »

It amazes me to see posters having cleared group dungeons solo but still hesitating to set their foot in a group, for fear of dragging the group down! Come on, you are more than good enough to raise the bar in most random groups! Clearing a group dungeon solo means you are more than capable of running the vet version of that same dungeon with a group, and if you can clear even normal Fungal Grotto 1 solo, I would be happy to accompany you through any non-DLC vet dungeon.

If you can solo a group dungeon or a public dungeon, or even reliably make it through a delve without assistance, please, please, please, do not hesitate to queue for a dungeon group! You have no idea how bad some other people are, and you are dearly needed.

I do go with groups on vet dungeons and the occasional normal for dailies but when I do, I go with guild mates. They already know how I play and are happy for me to tag along / fill an empty spot but I'm not the type to do this stuff daily, so I have no need to PUG a dungeon.

Edit: The way I play, I would consider soloing a group dungeon (that can be soloed) medium content. Normal Maelstrom would be low or average, Vet Maelstrom Hard and overland trash and delves, well that's training / beginner difficulty.

As far as staying on topic, I would wonder if they are using gear that looks good instead of a matching set and question if they even allocated their CP.

ForeverJenn · October 2020

Sunderling wrote: »

This is totally aside from the main body of this topic, but as a player who's been playing for a couple months now I pretty much exclusively run dungeons. I'm CP 340 and have really been taking my time with it.

I have the gear I want on my Magsorc (and my Stamblade) and with help I have almost everything traited where I want. I have a couple hat/shoulder sets..

I pull about 30% - 50% in most Vet Dungeons. Sometimes I pull as high as 60% but those are the relatively easy dungeons.

As a DPS, such as a Magsorc, at CP 340 running with players between CP 500 - 810, is 30% - 50% reasonable? I'm pretty new to combat metrics and sometimes I'm not even sure if I am reading it right.

Your percentage doesn't really matter unless you factor your dps vs the group. If you are DD then you wanna shoot for at least 20k. 35-40 is a sweet spot and 60 is like best of show. (Aside from the insane ppl that can push 90 somehow. Lol) But 20-30k is a good place to be for a normal DD.

However, lets say you're doing about 30-50%...lets go with 40%.. If the other dmg dealer is doing about 40% I'd say that's about right. Look at the group dps. Shave off about 15% for your tank and healer (as long as it's not a fake tank and healer). Then subtract your damage %. Whatever's left is what the other DD is doing. But this is all in theory. You're better off comparing you DPS against the group DPS.

You'll often get a fake tank that is a DD that will skew the % tho if they know what they're doing, they can at least. If you're doing more than 40% tho, I'd wager someone's getting carried.

pink_panther · October 2020

Raideen wrote: »

I don't weave, I hate the playstyle and because of that I can't seem to get my DPS much above 20k. I have read tutorials out the wazzoo, copied builds from popular players/streamers/you tubers, golded entire sets (sans rings/neck), placed CP points according to tuts and I have a low ping and I still can't get much above 20k, not on my sorc, not on my templar, not on anything.

I really don't want to be rude and what you are doing is fine for normal content but If you don't like the Playstyle why Play at all?

Weaving will never be removed and it is necessary to keep combat fluently. Also you burn through your ressources a lot faster If you don't weave.

Hope you really never enter vet content.
I doubt you could have really copied any end game build because to get the gear you would have to play vet trials and arenas. With 20k dps it would have been Impossible unless you bought carry runs. I get 20 k If I just use my spamable and maybe 1 dot.

Even with the recommended overland sets in the right traits you should reach at least 30k effortless.

Weaving isn't hard just try it or stay with casual content. It's your choice anyways and it's fine unless you drag down your group in vet.

Linaleah · October 2020

pink_panther wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

I don't weave, I hate the playstyle and because of that I can't seem to get my DPS much above 20k. I have read tutorials out the wazzoo, copied builds from popular players/streamers/you tubers, golded entire sets (sans rings/neck), placed CP points according to tuts and I have a low ping and I still can't get much above 20k, not on my sorc, not on my templar, not on anything.

I really don't want to be rude and what you are doing is fine for normal content but If you don't like the Playstyle why Play at all?

Weaving will never be removed and it is necessary to keep combat fluently. Also you burn through your ressources a lot faster If you don't weave.

Hope you really never enter vet content.
Also I doubt you could have really copied any end game build because to get the gear you would have to play vet trials and arenas. With 20k dps it would have been Impossible unless you bought carry runs. I get 20 k If I Just use my spamable and maybe 1 dot.

Weaving isn't hard just learn and try it or stay with casual content.

hey, did you know that gear drops in... normal trials as well? and that you can still copy an end game build WITHOUT perfected sets? and many builds call for sets that drop in trials that existed before perfected set thing, so there ARE no perfected sets? did you know that farming on normal and then simply upgrading from blue is faster AND easier and most people prefer i when it comes to sets that do not have perfected versions? (and many builds also offer alternative setups with world drops/dungeon/crafted sets)

yes, weaving is part of this game. unfortunately. I say unfortunately, because not everyone can do it. yes even with practice.

Kiralyn2000 · October 2020

pink_panther wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

I don't weave, I hate the playstyle and because of that I can't seem to get my DPS much above 20k. I have read tutorials out the wazzoo, copied builds from popular players/streamers/you tubers, golded entire sets (sans rings/neck), placed CP points according to tuts and I have a low ping and I still can't get much above 20k, not on my sorc, not on my templar, not on anything.

I really don't want to be rude and what you are doing is fine for normal content but If you don't like the Playstyle why Play at all?

Weaving will never be removed and it is necessary to keep combat fluently. Also you burn through your ressources a lot faster If you don't weave.

You can experience large amounts of this game, successfully, without weaving. It's not remotely "necessary" to anything outside of top-end content. "If you don't like the Playstyle, why play at all" feels a bit like saying about WoW "if you don't like Raiding, why play at all?"

cyclonus11 · October 2020

You can level all the way up without ever having set foot in a dungeon or trial, or ever having learned proper DPS rotations. There is no tutorial on how to DPS properly. You pretty much have to watch YT videos and read fan sites to figure it out - and even then, after you learn, it takes practice from that point.

I was one of those people. And even after practice and reading how-to's, I could never get my DPS anywhere remotely OK. So I gave up and rolled a tank.

pink_panther · October 2020

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

pink_panther wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

I don't weave, I hate the playstyle and because of that I can't seem to get my DPS much above 20k. I have read tutorials out the wazzoo, copied builds from popular players/streamers/you tubers, golded entire sets (sans rings/neck), placed CP points according to tuts and I have a low ping and I still can't get much above 20k, not on my sorc, not on my templar, not on anything.

I really don't want to be rude and what you are doing is fine for normal content but If you don't like the Playstyle why Play at all?

Weaving will never be removed and it is necessary to keep combat fluently. Also you burn through your ressources a lot faster If you don't weave.

You can experience large amounts of this game, successfully, without weaving. It's not remotely "necessary" to anything outside of top-end content. "If you don't like the Playstyle, why play at all" feels a bit like saying about WoW "if you don't like Raiding, why play at all?"

Never said you couldn't play without it but it is part of the games playstyle and even featured in the beginner tips. All you do is ignoring one of the best unique parts of this game. You can also just Play WoW there you can't weave and do auto attacks.

Most people are against it because they can't master it and as I said it is fine If you stay with casual normal content. Also what would be the purpose of light attacks then? You would never have to use them without weaving.

Plus why even bother to play vet content If you refuse to learn how to be effective and not drag down your group in for example dlc dungeons. You can't master harder achievements anyways, so why not just stay with normal content. This way you don't suffer and other people don't have to solo dps a whole dungeon.

There is always the Tank and Healer role left if you hate weaving and learning your rotation that much.

Hope this game becomes harder and less casual friendly at least in veteran mode.

pink_panther · October 2020

Linaleah wrote: »

pink_panther wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

I don't weave, I hate the playstyle and because of that I can't seem to get my DPS much above 20k. I have read tutorials out the wazzoo, copied builds from popular players/streamers/you tubers, golded entire sets (sans rings/neck), placed CP points according to tuts and I have a low ping and I still can't get much above 20k, not on my sorc, not on my templar, not on anything.

I really don't want to be rude and what you are doing is fine for normal content but If you don't like the Playstyle why Play at all?

Weaving will never be removed and it is necessary to keep combat fluently. Also you burn through your ressources a lot faster If you don't weave.

Hope you really never enter vet content.
Also I doubt you could have really copied any end game build because to get the gear you would have to play vet trials and arenas. With 20k dps it would have been Impossible unless you bought carry runs. I get 20 k If I Just use my spamable and maybe 1 dot.

Weaving isn't hard just learn and try it or stay with casual content.

hey, did you know that gear drops in... normal trials as well? and that you can still copy an end game build WITHOUT perfected sets? and many builds call for sets that drop in trials that existed before perfected set thing, so there ARE no perfected sets? did you know that farming on normal and then simply upgrading from blue is faster AND easier and most people prefer i when it comes to sets that do not have perfected versions? (and many builds also offer alternative setups with world drops/dungeon/crafted sets)

yes, weaving is part of this game. unfortunately. I say unfortunately, because not everyone can do it. yes even with practice.

But how do you get Monster sets in normal?
Also some sets like normal false god are pretty bad. But ur right though. Still 35 k should be possible if you read a guide 1 time.

ForeverJenn · October 2020

cyclonus11 wrote: »

You can level all the way up without ever having set foot in a dungeon or trial, or ever having learned proper DPS rotations. There is no tutorial on how to DPS properly. You pretty much have to watch YT videos and read fan sites to figure it out - and even then, after you learn, it takes practice from that point.

I was one of those people. And even after practice and reading how-to's, I could never get my DPS anywhere remotely OK. So I gave up and rolled a tank.

I don't have the brain wiring to DPS which is why I heal and tank. I'm just baffled because a potato like me can pull 18k without knowing a damn thing about rotation. That's why I'm so confused how people so high can pull less than 5k.

Kiralyn2000 · October 2020

pink_panther wrote: »

All you do is ignoring one of the best unique parts of this game.

It's an accident of the original game design, and an annoyance for many. It's certainly not the reason why most picked up this game in the first place.
(and "animation canceling" certainly isn't unique to this game. Perhaps if you limit to just MMOs, but...)

edit: I can definitely say for myself, that the combat system wasn't really a big part of my decision to start playing this. And definitely isn't part of why I would keep playing or not.

Also what would be the purpose of light attacks then? You would never have to use them without weaving.

What a strange statement.

josiahva · October 2020

I find one of the easier solutions is to tank as normal...just equip Leeching and Bahraha's Curse for aoe(or Dreugh King and Unleashed terror for more single target), slot a few damage skills and pull around 15k without much affecting your tanking ability....15k isnt much, but it makes a lot of runs less miserable.

Linaleah · October 2020

pink_panther wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

pink_panther wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

I don't weave, I hate the playstyle and because of that I can't seem to get my DPS much above 20k. I have read tutorials out the wazzoo, copied builds from popular players/streamers/you tubers, golded entire sets (sans rings/neck), placed CP points according to tuts and I have a low ping and I still can't get much above 20k, not on my sorc, not on my templar, not on anything.

I really don't want to be rude and what you are doing is fine for normal content but If you don't like the Playstyle why Play at all?

Weaving will never be removed and it is necessary to keep combat fluently. Also you burn through your ressources a lot faster If you don't weave.

Hope you really never enter vet content.
Also I doubt you could have really copied any end game build because to get the gear you would have to play vet trials and arenas. With 20k dps it would have been Impossible unless you bought carry runs. I get 20 k If I Just use my spamable and maybe 1 dot.

Weaving isn't hard just learn and try it or stay with casual content.

hey, did you know that gear drops in... normal trials as well? and that you can still copy an end game build WITHOUT perfected sets? and many builds call for sets that drop in trials that existed before perfected set thing, so there ARE no perfected sets? did you know that farming on normal and then simply upgrading from blue is faster AND easier and most people prefer i when it comes to sets that do not have perfected versions? (and many builds also offer alternative setups with world drops/dungeon/crafted sets)

yes, weaving is part of this game. unfortunately. I say unfortunately, because not everyone can do it. yes even with practice.

But how do you get Monster sets in normal?
Also some sets like normal false god are pretty bad. But ur right though. Still 35 k should be possible if you read a guide 1 time.

100k gold at gold vendor in Cyrodil. you may need to be patient, but you will get those sets eventually. not to mention some of the very useful highly recommended sets - come from early vet dungeons that are not even exaggeration - easier then most DLC dungeons on NORMAL. and I'm sure i don't need to remind you that pledges for keys to get shoulders can be done on normal (and/or you can also buy shoulders with gold in Cyrodil)

last but not least. normal sets are not bad, while perfected are good. normal sets are missing a small edge of perfected sets, but even 80% of the performance is STILL good.

however. contrary to the belief - in THIS game? damage is not primarily your gear. oh the gear does help and it helps exponentially the better your rotation is. mathematically - this means that if you are doing 8k - getting a better set increasing your damage output by 15% - will get you to 9.2k. while if you are doing 40k without that set - getting that set will bump you up to 46k 1.2k damage increase vs 6k damage increase. same sets. rotation makes THAT much of a difference in every single way. and getting your rotation going in this game with its manual weaving and its non sticky targeting and its cooldowns that are set up in a way that if you are used to actualy watching animations as your indication of when to use the next skill, you are screwed? - THIS is how you get the disparity in dps.

35k is NOT possible if you read a guide one time. 35k is possible if you have that guide open, while you spend hours practicing your rotation, REGULARLY to build that muscle memory. more is possible if your reflexes are better AND you keep practicing.

do you think all those dps monsters you see make videos and the amount of time they spend doing nothing but hammering at a dummy, every. single day. is unrelated?

do you think it is REASONABLE. to expect an average player who is playing this for fun here and there - invest THIS MUCH TIME into practicing their rotation JUST to do an occasional dungeon that they PAY for a privilige to even acess?