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Rapid Maneuver update from ZOS_JensR
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Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »There is an Alliance War skill XP scroll you can purchase in the Crown Store to help you get back the Rapids that was taken away from you faster.
ZOS will profit from the misfortune of others.
Only facts.
Um, don't the War Tortes do the same thing, in game? It'll be a bit of a grind for the recipes, but once players start making them, you should be able to buy them in game for about the same result.
I mean, I won't deny that ZOS is the master of "create a problem, sell the solution," but at least try to include all the facts.
Yes, that's the caveat, so they can say you can get these scrolls without paying for them.
However, to make these recipes, you must pay with tel var (500,000) that can only be earned in a PvP zone. You get at least 12 tel var for killing a monster, for perspective.
You also need to complete town quests in a PvP zone for components, and you will be killed by players while doing so.
You also need to find components in the wild, that are as rare as Aetherial Ciphers, while avoiding being killed by players.
Bottom line is, you will get Alliance Rank 5 much faster by just PvPing. Or..... you can pay for scrolls in the Crown Store.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the war tortes can be sold by players who know the recipes, right?
It seems set up to give PVPers who earm the recipes something to sell to PVEers who just want the War Tortes to earn the skill lines faster.
And at that point, we're looking at the equivalent of research scrolls or exp potions: not as good as the crown store ones, but definitely available in game.
There's no mention of what components are bound and which are tradable in the patch notes, and I'm not about to spend months farming on test to find out. But I have enough tel var in the bank to buy the recipe for you, I think four or five million gold would be minimum payment for my time. And if I happen to find a green glowing book that's as rare as an Aetherial Cipher, but only drops in one very dangerous zone, I think ten million will be a fair starting point.
In fact, I may just send my speedy and stealthy PvE farmers in to make me some coin. Which really sucks for PvPers, because there may be 100 other farmers filling up the population caps that should be reserved for folks who actually want to PvP. Also, I have Alliance Rank 10 and may just go in and farm easy AP by farming the farmers.
Time will tell.
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Obsidian3✭✭✭✭It's placating post. What do the Devs have to look into? If the Devs didn't know this change would enrage most of their player base they are either ignorant of the way we play the game, or they have no idea about what players want. The fact that they took away a skill we've had since Beta and put it behind a time consuming grind wall is ridiculous. Also are the Devs clueless about what it is like to go into Cyrodiil with a low level player w/o Rapids?
Believing they made this change to drive Crown Store sales is not a conspiracy, there is plenty of evidence to support that theory. The new Alliance Tortes is just another piece supporting that theory.
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Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Be careful.
Anything you say that’s not complimentary towards ZOS is considered “bashing” and will result in deleted posts, warning copypasta, and closed threads.9 -
oregonrob✭✭✭Sometimes as Freud says, "a cigar is just a cigar". I doubt this is was a marketing decision. I suspect it was made in response to those pushing for Vigor to be more accessible and an assumption was made that Rapids was not used very often. And to be honest, for high level characters, it probably is not part of their tool kit in part because of past nerfs. But to get to high level, especially in Cyrodiil, it does have an important function.3 -
Ratinira✭✭✭✭Sometimes as Freud says, "a cigar is just a cigar". I doubt this is was a marketing decision. I suspect it was made in response to those pushing for Vigor to be more accessible and an assumption was made that Rapids was not used very often. And to be honest, for high level characters, it probably is not part of their tool kit in part because of past nerfs. But to get to high level, especially in Cyrodiil, it does have an important function.
This "non-marketind" decision was first on PTS. For several weeks.
Did that enraged people? Yes
Where better options suggested? Yes
Did zos changed anything? No
No-no, no conspiracy, they just.... did nothing because of... no conspiracy and no bashing... no reason8 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Not as worried as I use to be. I still need rapids on 5 toons (had it on more than I thought), might get there eventually, but in the meantime (next patch), I will just dupe another 16 ring of the hunts for all my alts (already farmed 2).1 -
JoeCapricorn✭✭✭✭✭
✭Be careful.
Anything you say that’s not complimentary towards ZOS is considered “bashing” and will result in deleted posts, warning copypasta, and closed threads.
Jaraal, please take a moment to calm down. I understand you are angry. I have been angry about this for the past couple months.
I want this thread to stay open until a community manager comments on the topic and provides some kind of update, as was the case in the German forum. I'd rather have updates posted in this thread rather than create a new thread each time some sliver of new information comes up. I think a new thread can only be created if it has something new to talk about and not a rehash of prior threads - I want to make my opinion heard and I myself can be very opinionated on various topics, but I also want to stay in the good graces of the moderators here.
I am not entirely sure what kind of work circumstances the developer team and community managers are in, but from the Markarth video it looked like everyone was working from home. The pandemic is affecting them and their lives as much as it is affecting ours. This is going to result (and has resulted) in a delay of response to both gameplay bugs and issues that are frustrating the community. The pandemic is not going to be over anytime soon, so we might have to be patient with the team as they work on new content and fix bugs from their home offices. The priority is probably getting Markarth and Update 28 ready, but I do hope that there is some update offered by a CM or developer on the Rapids change at some point.I simp for vampire lords and Glemyos Wildhorn2 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭JoeCapricorn wrote: »Be careful.
Anything you say that’s not complimentary towards ZOS is considered “bashing” and will result in deleted posts, warning copypasta, and closed threads.
Jaraal, please take a moment to calm down. I understand you are angry. I have been angry about this for the past couple months.
I’m not angry, sir. Just calmly disappointed and disgusted.
I’m sticking to facts, so no need to worry.3 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »There is an Alliance War skill XP scroll you can purchase in the Crown Store to help you get back the Rapids that was taken away from you faster.
ZOS will profit from the misfortune of others.
Only facts.
Um, don't the War Tortes do the same thing, in game? It'll be a bit of a grind for the recipes, but once players start making them, you should be able to buy them in game for about the same result.
I mean, I won't deny that ZOS is the master of "create a problem, sell the solution," but at least try to include all the facts.
Yes, that's the caveat, so they can say you can get these scrolls without paying for them.
However, to make these recipes, you must pay with tel var (500,000) that can only be earned in a PvP zone. You get at least 12 tel var for killing a monster, for perspective.
You also need to complete town quests in a PvP zone for components, and you will be killed by players while doing so.
You also need to find components in the wild, that are as rare as Aetherial Ciphers, while avoiding being killed by players.
Bottom line is, you will get Alliance Rank 5 much faster by just PvPing. Or..... you can pay for scrolls in the Crown Store.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the war tortes can be sold by players who know the recipes, right?
It seems set up to give PVPers who earm the recipes something to sell to PVEers who just want the War Tortes to earn the skill lines faster.
And at that point, we're looking at the equivalent of research scrolls or exp potions: not as good as the crown store ones, but definitely available in game.
There's no mention of what components are bound and which are tradable in the patch notes, and I'm not about to spend months farming on test to find out. But I have enough tel var in the bank to buy the recipe for you, I think four or five million gold would be minimum payment for my time. And if I happen to find a green glowing book that's as rare as an Aetherial Cipher, but only drops in one very dangerous zone, I think ten million will be a fair starting point.
In fact, I may just send my speedy and stealthy PvE farmers in to make me some coin. Which really sucks for PvPers, because there may be 100 other farmers filling up the population caps that should be reserved for folks who actually want to PvP. Also, I have Alliance Rank 10 and may just go in and farm easy AP by farming the farmers.
Time will tell.
Not sure what point you are making, unless you also think that the exp scrolls vs higher level exp pots are outrageous too. I mean, I farm a lot and my sole Aetheric Cipher is from an event, but I can still buy the exp pots. Rarity of the recipe doesn't equal inaccessibility of the food.
As long as the war tortes aren't account bound (and I can't think of a crafted consumable that is), they'll be sold. And they'll be priced according to the market which must also account for the simple fact that PVE players have options. If a PVPer is charging exorbitant prices, they can either A) just do without for the couple extra hours it takes to get to rank 5 or B.) Pay less gold to have the scrolls gifted to them. (Incidentally, we see that this is the same as exp and research scrolls.) Rarity alone doesn't lead to sky-high prices when there are other options.
I don't have the PTS anymore, or I'd double-check whether war tortes are bound on a template character.0 -
Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭Sometimes as Freud says, "a cigar is just a cigar". I doubt this is was a marketing decision. I suspect it was made in response to those pushing for Vigor to be more accessible and an assumption was made that Rapids was not used very often. And to be honest, for high level characters, it probably is not part of their tool kit in part because of past nerfs. But to get to high level, especially in Cyrodiil, it does have an important function.
There was a MASSIVE outcry followed by one of the largest if not the largest outpouring of feedback and requests. Posters were near begging Zen to not implement this they way they did along with NUMEROUS suggestions on how better to do this and avoid the very issue we are discussing now.
It was even noted by Zen that they know rapids is used significantly by many.
This was very well known to the company and it is a fact that whatever the reason for keeping rapids at level 5 it was never given to the customers.
So to accept your premise we would have to believe Zen was so negligent and unaware as to be incompetent.
Edited by Sgrug on September 29, 2020 5:42PM12 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »There is an Alliance War skill XP scroll you can purchase in the Crown Store to help you get back the Rapids that was taken away from you faster.
ZOS will profit from the misfortune of others.
Only facts.
Um, don't the War Tortes do the same thing, in game? It'll be a bit of a grind for the recipes, but once players start making them, you should be able to buy them in game for about the same result.
I mean, I won't deny that ZOS is the master of "create a problem, sell the solution," but at least try to include all the facts.
Yes, that's the caveat, so they can say you can get these scrolls without paying for them.
However, to make these recipes, you must pay with tel var (500,000) that can only be earned in a PvP zone. You get at least 12 tel var for killing a monster, for perspective.
You also need to complete town quests in a PvP zone for components, and you will be killed by players while doing so.
You also need to find components in the wild, that are as rare as Aetherial Ciphers, while avoiding being killed by players.
Bottom line is, you will get Alliance Rank 5 much faster by just PvPing. Or..... you can pay for scrolls in the Crown Store.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the war tortes can be sold by players who know the recipes, right?
It seems set up to give PVPers who earm the recipes something to sell to PVEers who just want the War Tortes to earn the skill lines faster.
And at that point, we're looking at the equivalent of research scrolls or exp potions: not as good as the crown store ones, but definitely available in game.
There's no mention of what components are bound and which are tradable in the patch notes, and I'm not about to spend months farming on test to find out. But I have enough tel var in the bank to buy the recipe for you, I think four or five million gold would be minimum payment for my time. And if I happen to find a green glowing book that's as rare as an Aetherial Cipher, but only drops in one very dangerous zone, I think ten million will be a fair starting point.
In fact, I may just send my speedy and stealthy PvE farmers in to make me some coin. Which really sucks for PvPers, because there may be 100 other farmers filling up the population caps that should be reserved for folks who actually want to PvP. Also, I have Alliance Rank 10 and may just go in and farm easy AP by farming the farmers.
Time will tell.
Not sure what point you are making, unless you also think that the exp scrolls vs higher level exp pots are outrageous too. I mean, I farm a lot and my sole Aetheric Cipher is from an event, but I can still buy the exp pots. Rarity of the recipe doesn't equal inaccessibility of the food.
As long as the war tortes aren't account bound (and I can't think of a crafted consumable that is), they'll be sold. And they'll be priced according to the market which must also account for the simple fact that PVE players have options. If a PVPer is charging exorbitant prices, they can either A) just do without for the couple extra hours it takes to get to rank 5 or B.) Pay less gold to have the scrolls gifted to them. (Incidentally, we see that this is the same as exp and research scrolls.) Rarity alone doesn't lead to sky-high prices when there are other options.
I don't have the PTS anymore, or I'd double-check whether war tortes are bound on a template character.
Yes, it will be so much easier to buy them from the Crown Store than from players sourced methods.
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »There is an Alliance War skill XP scroll you can purchase in the Crown Store to help you get back the Rapids that was taken away from you faster.
ZOS will profit from the misfortune of others.
Only facts.
Um, don't the War Tortes do the same thing, in game? It'll be a bit of a grind for the recipes, but once players start making them, you should be able to buy them in game for about the same result.
I mean, I won't deny that ZOS is the master of "create a problem, sell the solution," but at least try to include all the facts.
Yes, that's the caveat, so they can say you can get these scrolls without paying for them.
However, to make these recipes, you must pay with tel var (500,000) that can only be earned in a PvP zone. You get at least 12 tel var for killing a monster, for perspective.
You also need to complete town quests in a PvP zone for components, and you will be killed by players while doing so.
You also need to find components in the wild, that are as rare as Aetherial Ciphers, while avoiding being killed by players.
Bottom line is, you will get Alliance Rank 5 much faster by just PvPing. Or..... you can pay for scrolls in the Crown Store.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the war tortes can be sold by players who know the recipes, right?
It seems set up to give PVPers who earm the recipes something to sell to PVEers who just want the War Tortes to earn the skill lines faster.
And at that point, we're looking at the equivalent of research scrolls or exp potions: not as good as the crown store ones, but definitely available in game.
There's no mention of what components are bound and which are tradable in the patch notes, and I'm not about to spend months farming on test to find out. But I have enough tel var in the bank to buy the recipe for you, I think four or five million gold would be minimum payment for my time. And if I happen to find a green glowing book that's as rare as an Aetherial Cipher, but only drops in one very dangerous zone, I think ten million will be a fair starting point.
In fact, I may just send my speedy and stealthy PvE farmers in to make me some coin. Which really sucks for PvPers, because there may be 100 other farmers filling up the population caps that should be reserved for folks who actually want to PvP. Also, I have Alliance Rank 10 and may just go in and farm easy AP by farming the farmers.
Time will tell.
Not sure what point you are making, unless you also think that the exp scrolls vs higher level exp pots are outrageous too. I mean, I farm a lot and my sole Aetheric Cipher is from an event, but I can still buy the exp pots. Rarity of the recipe doesn't equal inaccessibility of the food.
As long as the war tortes aren't account bound (and I can't think of a crafted consumable that is), they'll be sold. And they'll be priced according to the market which must also account for the simple fact that PVE players have options. If a PVPer is charging exorbitant prices, they can either A) just do without for the couple extra hours it takes to get to rank 5 or B.) Pay less gold to have the scrolls gifted to them. (Incidentally, we see that this is the same as exp and research scrolls.) Rarity alone doesn't lead to sky-high prices when there are other options.
I don't have the PTS anymore, or I'd double-check whether war tortes are bound on a template character.
Yes, it will be so much easier to buy them from the Crown Store than from players sourced methods.
Probably, at least until PVPers have had a chance to grind for the recipes and materials.
After that, the war tortes will be much simpler to buy (assuming they aren't bound, but again I can't think of a consumable food that is). Just look for it on guild stores.0 -
Finedaible✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Alright, it is fair that they ask the community to chill, but can they really blame players for coming up with "conspiracy theories" when they don't present any context or sound reasoning for seemingly arbitrary decisions? In the absence of any satisfying information, players are bound to make assumptions and try to connect the dots in order to make sense of the situation. This might not be as much a problem if development shared more of their "vision" for the game and what changes they plan for future updates other than "We want to make X generic change" while omitting specifically what the change is for or WILL BE for in a future update. Recently we've been getting tiny comments on changes alluding to future changes in another update (infamous Elemental Catalyst pts note) but these comments only gave us a fraction of what they intended to do and we were left in the dark to guess what that may be.10 -
Everstorm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I would like to start playing this game again, having Rapids back will make that happen.
Until then, I am playing other games in my library.
I was just thinking about rolling up a necromancer/vampire combo. Then I thought:"crap, no rapids, scratch that, not worth the aggravation."Edited by Everstorm on September 29, 2020 6:42PM9 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sometimes as Freud says, "a cigar is just a cigar". I doubt this is was a marketing decision. I suspect it was made in response to those pushing for Vigor to be more accessible and an assumption was made that Rapids was not used very often. And to be honest, for high level characters, it probably is not part of their tool kit in part because of past nerfs. But to get to high level, especially in Cyrodiil, it does have an important function.
They stated in a live feed that they were aware that this would be controversial before they implemented it. And that information was presented in a thread that’s no longer available for comment.
Only facts.
Edited by Jaraal on September 29, 2020 6:53PM4 -
Donny_Vito✭✭✭✭✭
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If "going faster than normal" is one of the main considerations about whether to roll a new character or not, then there is something severely flawed.1 -
VoidCommander✭✭✭✭✭I’m willing to bet the only reason we haven’t seen the “duo mount” that everyone was excited for last PTS hasn’t shown up yet, is because ZOS doesn’t want to deal with the PR nightmare. The accusations of the team trying to push riding lessons would multiply greatly. Hence why they are withholding its release until the rapids problem is “fixed.”3 -
DarcyMardin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The dual mount thing has nothing to do with my missing Rapids. I mostly solo and I have zero interest in being anybody’s passenger...or in hitchhikers. Won’t be buying any kind of dual mount.5 -
AuraStorm43✭✭✭✭✭The changes have me unwilling to even consider starting a new toon
Because of the low speeds in the early game, rapids make the tedium of running around collecting skyshards, mages guild, or psijic order when i start a new toon. You know, things most toons need for basic function when they hit end game?
Ik if i start a necro tank or healer i’ll need all of those things in some form but its gonna be irritating getting to rank 5 just to bypass the tedium of slow mount speedsEdited by AuraStorm43 on September 29, 2020 11:32PM5 -
Sergykid✭✭✭✭✭
✭getting rapids as 2nd spell from the skill line will take like 2 hours of your total playtime. I am sure you dedicate more hours to more irrelevant activities such as waiting in queues. But i don't see you all being so vocal about the queues or whatever any other problem that needs to be fixed, no, you all shout now to your spell to need a bit more time to get. As you farm for mages guilds, so you can farm some battlegrounds to get your spell.-PC EU- / battlegrounds on my youtube0 -
Sgrug✭✭✭✭✭getting rapids as 2nd spell from the skill line will take like 2 hours of your total playtime. I am sure you dedicate more hours to more irrelevant activities such as waiting in queues. But i don't see you all being so vocal about the queues or whatever any other problem that needs to be fixed, no, you all shout now to your spell to need a bit more time to get. As you farm for mages guilds, so you can farm some battlegrounds to get your spell.
Enough with the 2 hours crap. I have done 10 toons so far and the average is 5 hours. BGs over and over, typically longer if you try to do it in open PvP.
That is 50 hours wasted regaining what I had already achieved before. Over a weeks worth of work doing something I currently despise because I am being channeled into doing it to get back what I had for years. NOT THE DEFINITION OF FUN!Edited by Sgrug on September 29, 2020 11:29PM20 -
esotoon✭✭✭✭✭
✭getting rapids as 2nd spell from the skill line will take like 2 hours of your total playtime.
Just 2 hours. If you are fortunate. For some it will take longer. For some much longer.
Then multiply this over all your characters, and suddenly you have lost a couple days or more of your life or more for no reason.I am sure you dedicate more hours to more irrelevant activities such as waiting in queues. But i don't see you all being so vocal about the queues or whatever any other problem that needs to be fixed, no, you all shout now to your spell to need a bit more time to get. As you farm for mages guilds, so you can farm some battlegrounds to get your spell.
Not everybody playing the game are affected by the same issues, but if they are, it’s not an either or situation. Human being can be concerned about more than one issue at once.Edited by esotoon on September 29, 2020 11:38PM11 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭you know, I'm not sure about others, but when I wait in pve queues, I don't just sit there in the same spot doing nothing. I'm decorating or farming or doing any number of other in game things. moreover - certain disparities in queue wait times are something that happens in every game that has a trinity system. more people like to play dps than any other role. fewest amount of people plays tanks. so far not a single developer figured out how to fix this.
in any case, if I'm willing to be charitable, I would say what they are looking into is coding issues. how to move the skill in a way that doesn't break code for other skills. switch skill places is the easiest way to do it, but I doubt they are going to just revert the change, I'm fairly certain that at this point they are aware at how many people would be upset about THAT.dirty worthless casual.
Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***0 -
volkeswagon✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZOS_ConnorG wrote: »Greetings all,
After review we have had to edit or remove several posts for rule violations, mostly Discussing Disciplinary Actions. Our rules do not permit users to discuss on the forums when any post or thread is removed, edited, or locked.
You are welcome to review the Community Rules here.
Then explain why the Vigor/Rapids swap happened the way it did, so people aren't forced to draw their own conclusions, and potentially set themselves up to have their post be deleted. Because we all have a point, here. Things happened the way they did, little to no information was given on why it happened the way it did, and we all drew the logical conclusion from that, and yet somehow that's considered to be spreading a conspiracy or misinformation, when there's no information to misinterpret to begin with.
All this does is drive people towards second guessing when they go to hit that Post Reply button, out of fear that their post, which shouldn't even be breaking the terms to begin with (again, because there's no information to misinterpret to begin with), is going to get deleted, and their forum account slapped with a warning. Come out and say something officially, so that people aren't forced to draw their own conclusions.
Double Edit: Screw it, sticking with my gut here. For the record, I originally edited my post to remove it, just in case it got deleted. If it does, you've just proved my point right. This shouldn't be the way that a game forum, that the developers supposedly use to gather feedback, should be run. People shouldn't have to second guess when they hit that Post Reply button, asking themselves "is this open to interpretation so much that it might get removed?"
So you will feel the urge to spend crowns on mount stamina upgrades and AP XP scrolls.
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rpa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭My guess it's simply Peter principle in action: someone who is not capable to understand how players feel when you take their things away has been promoted to a decisive position. There is no fix for that unless they screw it up bad enough to get fired or do so well they are promoted to position where they do not manage that kind of things. It's not only rapids, there's been few other trivial changes which appear lacking that kind of understanding. Too bad.
Edited by rpa on September 30, 2020 5:33AM11 -
Flaaklypa✭✭✭✭✭Whats nice at least is that OP is telling that Zos has achnowledged this. And is looking at solutions.
Not gonna lie, all these conspiracy theories and discussing moderation action might end up in this thread being closed.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sometimes as Freud says, "a cigar is just a cigar". I doubt this is was a marketing decision. I suspect it was made in response to those pushing for Vigor to be more accessible and an assumption was made that Rapids was not used very often. And to be honest, for high level characters, it probably is not part of their tool kit in part because of past nerfs. But to get to high level, especially in Cyrodiil, it does have an important function.
They stated in a live feed that they were aware that this would be controversial before they implemented it. And that information was presented in a thread that’s no longer available for comment.
Only facts.
That does not mean the tread was closed because Zos had previously said that the change would be controversial. In reality, it is highly doubtful the thread was closed because someone quoted Zos. It works best to keep facts in context.0 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sometimes as Freud says, "a cigar is just a cigar". I doubt this is was a marketing decision. I suspect it was made in response to those pushing for Vigor to be more accessible and an assumption was made that Rapids was not used very often. And to be honest, for high level characters, it probably is not part of their tool kit in part because of past nerfs. But to get to high level, especially in Cyrodiil, it does have an important function.
They stated in a live feed that they were aware that this would be controversial before they implemented it. And that information was presented in a thread that’s no longer available for comment.
Only facts.
That does not mean the tread was closed because Zos had previously said that the change would be controversial. In reality, it is highly doubtful the thread was closed because someone quoted Zos. It works best to keep facts in context.
There is no correlation between the two. Those are two different statements. Two unrelated facts.1 -
Ratinira✭✭✭✭getting rapids as 2nd spell from the skill line will take like 2 hours of your total playtime.
Then why make any changes at all? It was so easy to get vigor. Just 2 hours.
Then why that lazy stam players where crying that they don't have self-heal? It was so easy to get vigor. Just 2 hours.
When players are saying that getting vigor was so very easy that any noob can get it in several hours it makes Rapid-Vigor explanation even more st... even less reasonable.
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✭✭✭✭✭getting rapids as 2nd spell from the skill line will take like 2 hours of your total playtime.
Then why make any changes at all? It was so easy to get vigor. Just 2 hours.
Then why that lazy stam players where crying that they don't have self-heal? It was so easy to get vigor. Just 2 hours.
When players are saying that getting vigor was so very easy that any noob can get it in several hours it makes Rapid-Vigor explanation even more st... even less reasonable.
And the irony is that it was faster to get Vigor with Rapids than it is now to get Rapids with Vigor.
Now it's harder to get any Alliance War skills other than Vigor and Siege Shield, because you may not make it to your objectives in time at a snail's pace.
Edited by Jaraal on September 30, 2020 7:50AM15
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