tmbrinks wrote: »

11%... on a Wednesday. 1/9th of the way there in 1 day, with 12 days of the event.

With 2 weekends still to come.

We're good.

But the first day is usually the most active. We may not do good this time around.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

11%... on a Wednesday. 1/9th of the way there in 1 day, with 12 days of the event.

With 2 weekends still to come.

We're good.

But the first day is usually the most active. We may not do good this time around.

Just letting y'all know, you can stop worrying. The bar is fake. The counter is arbitrarily determined to make the bar hit 100% before the end of the event. It's been like that in the previous 2 Chapter-promotion-events too. There is no counting involved, and there is 0% chance that we will 'fail' the event as a community.

The previous 2 events, as well as this one, are for attention-grabbing and for driving up player engagement (and for selling the Chapter obviously, by giving you free stuff for owning it). During Morrowind, they just gave people a free mount for simply owning the game; since Summerset they like to pretend that the free stuff is tied to some community-driven counter.

It was quite obvious, because the previous 2 events were tied to completing a pathfinder achievement. If it was genuinely counting how many people completed the achi, it would have started with a large % complete at the start already, then a huge rush of % in the few days where everyone jumped into it with the event, with a slower trickling of completions in the later days; but the counter was still 'updating' at a measured pace. It's not like ZOS would just risk 'We wanted to give away such cool things, but we didn't because not enough players play our game' lol.

Jaimeh wrote: »

It's weird they don't give us the actual goal number, I'm always wondering if it's because they want to be able manipulate it, if people don't really participare, so it won't look like a failed event.

Give this person a prize!

Even if we come up short... having it operate the way it does, they can "make" it happen.

These types of events are to drive participation and goodwill. Doubt VERY seriously they'd want(or would allow for) a failed event.

Hallothiel wrote: »

For all you cynical naysayers, those who ‘can’t bothered as we’ll get the house anyway’ posters - they don’t actually have to give us anything at all. And with you lot thinking you’re so clever at seeing through their marketing, & basically telling people not to bother participating, if I were ZOS I’d be tempted to say the target did not get achieved, and find some spin to put on it to say why.

They are quite able to pull the house & put it in the crown store. Or worse, in those damn crates.

Of course it’s marketing. Of course it’s trying to get people to buy Greymoor. Duh! This is a business not a charity.

I don't know why you're trying to create this antagonistic narrative, and why your comment is so spiteful: you say that you wish that ZOS would deliberately fail their own event and not give us the prizes, just because some people informed the worried people on the forums that the counter is automatic??? Lol what? Where do you get that from? Who was encouraging people to stop participating? Who said they 'can't be bothered' which you quote? Literally nobody in this thread, that's who.

Pointing out that the event is for PR and has been an arbitrarily determined bar for the past 3 years now isn't 'cynical naysaying'. It's simply to reassure the dozens of panicking people on the forums in this and other threads, who are doing antiquitiy-math and are scrambling to farm green leads just so we don't fail the event ('The bar! Oh no, the bar!'). Telling people that they can relax and don't actually have to dedicate hours of their time to mindnumbing green-blue lead grinds (as some posts here suggest), is doing a service to the community, preventing them from feeling pressured by a counter that all their hard work will contribute nothing toward.

Nobody said that people shouldn't participate, shouldn't buy the Chapter, shouldn't enjoy Antiquities if they want to - there's just no need to worry and plan grinds just to appease an imaginary counter, that's all. Also, none of that is entitlement. Nobody here said that ZOS 'need to give us anything', we weren't demanding free stuff when Greymoor came out. But since they announced these rewards now, and they have given Stream rewards even when we didn't reach the viewership goals before, and it would be PR-suicide to fail their own event, it simply means that they won't shoot themselves in the foot and announce to the world that not enough players play their game to reach community goals, lol.

Hallothiel wrote: »

This was one of numerous threads I had read with people making these kind of comments - saying they weren’t going to participate, that its just marketing & not to bother as we’ll get the house no matter what.

It just annoys me. And it is entitled.

But I agree that people should not get stressed about it. Dig if you like. Or not. Just enjoy the game. 😘

And my comment totally called you out on it, because you're pulling that out of nowehere. Not a single comment on this thread said what you claimed they did. Also known as straw-manning.

But go ahead, I challenge you to find a single comment from here where people say 'they're not going to participate and not to bother' as you seem to claim. According to you, several people are making these kind of 'entitled and cynical naysayer' comments, so it's a bit strange that there isn't a single one.

Your comment was antagonistic for no reason, arguing against imaginary things that nobody actually said. And once again, it's not entitled to inform people that the bar is arbitrary. It's called critical thinking - nobody said that ZOS have to give us stuff; people just concluded (based on previous evidence and the non-transparent numbers that ZOS keeps in secret and magically updates during these kind of events) that they will give us stuff. People were saying that ZOS will, not that they have to. One is an observation/prediction, the other is a demand.

And judging by the actually numerous comments that worry about the event and are compulsively checking the bar and running calculations and formulating a grinding-plan, there is far more need for people to remind the community to take a deep breath and not take it too seriously; while you calling people naysayers and you wishing that ZOS would fail the event just because people inform others about the bar's arbitrariness are entirely uncalled for and unnecessary.

I’m using this time to work on the skill lines for my alts for the treasure chest seeker passive. That passive has really spoiled me on my main. I never realized how many treasure chests I’ve been passing up!

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

There are 12 days (24-hour periods from 10 AM EDT to 10 AM EDT) during this event.

100% / 12 days = 8.33% per day.

If we're already at 11% after the first day, we're slightly ahead of the average, and should hit 100% by the ninth or tenth day if the number of antiquities dug up stays constant. Obviously, it can be expected to fluctuate from day to day, with the weekends likely having more activity-- and as someone pointed out, there are two weekends during this event-- so we should be okay.

Thu 09/24 - Day 1 - Averaged goal: 9% - Actual progress: 11% - Projected: 100% by Fri 10/02 or Sat 10/03
Fri 09/25 - Day 2 - Averaged goal: 17% - Actual progress: 25% - Projected: 100% by Thu 10/01
Sat 09/26 - Day 3 - Averaged goal: 25% - Actual progress: 38% - Projected: 100% by Thu 10/01
Sun 09/27 - Day 4 - Averaged goal: 34%
Mon 09/28 - Day 5 - Averaged goal: 42%
Tue 09/29 - Day 6 - Averaged goal: 50%
Wed 09/30 - Day 7 - Averaged goal: 59%
Thu 10/01 - Day 8 - Averaged goal: 67%
Fri 10/02 - Day 9 - Averaged goal: 75%
Sat 10/03 - Day 10 - Averaged goal: 84%
Sun 10/04 - Day 11 - Averaged goal: 92%
Mon 10/05 - Day 12 - Averaged goal: 100%

At the rate we're going, we can probably expect to hit 100% on Friday, October 2nd, or Saturday, October 3rd.

Wow you are really spot on. Day 4 and I see 38% so that means we are a bit faster and according to you calculations we are going to make it 😊

Ow goodie I am happy

kargen27 wrote: »

bluebird wrote: »

Hallothiel wrote: »

For all you cynical naysayers, those who ‘can’t bothered as we’ll get the house anyway’ posters - they don’t actually have to give us anything at all. And with you lot thinking you’re so clever at seeing through their marketing, & basically telling people not to bother participating, if I were ZOS I’d be tempted to say the target did not get achieved, and find some spin to put on it to say why.

They are quite able to pull the house & put it in the crown store. Or worse, in those damn crates.

Of course it’s marketing. Of course it’s trying to get people to buy Greymoor. Duh! This is a business not a charity.

I don't know why you're trying to create this antagonistic narrative, and why your comment is so spiteful: you say that you wish that ZOS would deliberately fail their own event and not give us the prizes, just because some people informed the worried people on the forums that the counter is automatic??? Lol what? Where do you get that from? Who was encouraging people to stop participating? Who said they 'can't be bothered' which you quote? Literally nobody in this thread, that's who.

Pointing out that the event is for PR and has been an arbitrarily determined bar for the past 3 years now isn't 'cynical naysaying'. It's simply to reassure the dozens of panicking people on the forums in this and other threads, who are doing antiquitiy-math and are scrambling to farm green leads just so we don't fail the event ('The bar! Oh no, the bar!'). Telling people that they can relax and don't actually have to dedicate hours of their time to mindnumbing green-blue lead grinds (as some posts here suggest), is doing a service to the community, preventing them from feeling pressured by a counter that all their hard work will contribute nothing toward.

Nobody said that people shouldn't participate, shouldn't buy the Chapter, shouldn't enjoy Antiquities if they want to - there's just no need to worry and plan grinds just to appease an imaginary counter, that's all. Also, none of that is entitlement. Nobody here said that ZOS 'need to give us anything', we weren't demanding free stuff when Greymoor came out. But since they announced these rewards now, and they have given Stream rewards even when we didn't reach the viewership goals before, and it would be PR-suicide to fail their own event, it simply means that they won't shoot themselves in the foot and announce to the world that not enough players play their game to reach community goals, lol.

The fun thing here is both of you are arguing feelings and nothing else. Neither of you have any facts to base your arguments on.

Yeah, no. Whether or not the bar is fake or not wasn't what that person and I argued about, actually. Your opinion doesn't take away from the fact that the person I'm actually replying to was wrong in his false quotes (came into a thread that was full of worried posts, called people cynical naysayers and mocked them for posting about the bar based on comments that nobody ever made, and wished that we failed the event). That's plain for everyone to see, it's based on posts, not on feelings.

If you mean that there is no evidence for the bar being arbitrary, here you go:

• there is no set goal, no target to reach (compared to viewership goals like 'if we reach 20k viewers we giveaway something'). It's all a mysterious unknown that ZOS claims they are tracking.
• even if they are tracking the number of Antiquities unearthed during the period (let's be honest, doubtful considering the state of the game and their servers), the goal treshholds are withheld as well, and are also entirely arbitrarily determined by ZOS. They can decide to lower or raise the requirement whenever they wish, because only they determine how far we progress, not our actual numbers.
• the Summerfall event they did was based on having the Pathfinder achievement (every account counted only once), and yet from the start of Summerset to the event only 20% of the 'alleged goal number' completed the achi. As more and more completed the achi, less and less available accounts remained who can still earn the achi every day (game pop has been falling throughout the whole month of Sept 2018), so the % increment should have decreased over the course of the event; but it didn't, it progressed at an equal rate. ZOS also kept the goal number secret (it wasn't 100% of SS owners, just 100 on whatever arbitrary scale they thought would work most).
• Not to mention that it would be PR suicide to hype up a community event with a giveaway, only for it to fail because not enough people play their game. There is also precedent for this, during the Dark Heart of Skyrim reveal, the Stream didn't hit the 150k viewership goal, but 'you've all been so great and we love you so much, we'll do it anyway' direct quote from Jess Folsom, one of the community gurus.

So, I'm not sure what you're talking about when you say that 'it's just based on feelings'. It's a fact that the goal %-es are set at arbitrary numbers, and there is 0 transparency surrounding this goal which is set and updated by ZOS alone, behind the scenes. Therefore, the bar is arbitrary, it's determined by ZOS, not by your actual numbers.

None of that means that people shouldn't do Antiquities btw. It was never about that, and nobody here was asking for people to not participate. But the bar is arbitrary, and up to ZOS's manipulation behind the scenes. (Meaning that it's equally possible that we hit their goal on the first day and they're just dragging it out, or that we'll never reach their arbitrary goal and we'll get the reward anyway, or them adjusting the number requirement behind the percentages based on how much activity they are seeing, or it being a manual bar without any tracking behind the scenes whatsoever).

BoraxFlux wrote: »

Some transparancy would be nice about the numbers for the progressbar. But I won't loose a night sleep over it.
Digging for " Seats of the Snow Prince" , I hope somewhere on ESO-Fashion there is one large round table to use them for at the end of the event.

Not a round table per se, but I found they go pretty well with Ayleid bookshelves You can also use any other inlay to create a fun pattern on the 'table' surface (I used carpets for a splash of colour). Alternatively, you might wanna look at the new Dwemer items they will add with Markarth; a lot of those are white stone with gold metal so they might go well with the Snow-Prince thrones.

kargen27 wrote: »

bluebird wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

bluebird wrote: »

Hallothiel wrote: »

For all you cynical naysayers, those who ‘can’t bothered as we’ll get the house anyway’ posters - they don’t actually have to give us anything at all. And with you lot thinking you’re so clever at seeing through their marketing, & basically telling people not to bother participating, if I were ZOS I’d be tempted to say the target did not get achieved, and find some spin to put on it to say why.

They are quite able to pull the house & put it in the crown store. Or worse, in those damn crates.

Of course it’s marketing. Of course it’s trying to get people to buy Greymoor. Duh! This is a business not a charity.

I don't know why you're trying to create this antagonistic narrative, and why your comment is so spiteful: you say that you wish that ZOS would deliberately fail their own event and not give us the prizes, just because some people informed the worried people on the forums that the counter is automatic??? Lol what? Where do you get that from? Who was encouraging people to stop participating? Who said they 'can't be bothered' which you quote? Literally nobody in this thread, that's who.

Pointing out that the event is for PR and has been an arbitrarily determined bar for the past 3 years now isn't 'cynical naysaying'. It's simply to reassure the dozens of panicking people on the forums in this and other threads, who are doing antiquitiy-math and are scrambling to farm green leads just so we don't fail the event ('The bar! Oh no, the bar!'). Telling people that they can relax and don't actually have to dedicate hours of their time to mindnumbing green-blue lead grinds (as some posts here suggest), is doing a service to the community, preventing them from feeling pressured by a counter that all their hard work will contribute nothing toward.

Nobody said that people shouldn't participate, shouldn't buy the Chapter, shouldn't enjoy Antiquities if they want to - there's just no need to worry and plan grinds just to appease an imaginary counter, that's all. Also, none of that is entitlement. Nobody here said that ZOS 'need to give us anything', we weren't demanding free stuff when Greymoor came out. But since they announced these rewards now, and they have given Stream rewards even when we didn't reach the viewership goals before, and it would be PR-suicide to fail their own event, it simply means that they won't shoot themselves in the foot and announce to the world that not enough players play their game to reach community goals, lol.

The fun thing here is both of you are arguing feelings and nothing else. Neither of you have any facts to base your arguments on.

Yeah, no. Whether or not the bar is fake or not wasn't what that person and I argued about, actually. Your opinion doesn't take away from the fact that the person I'm actually replying to was wrong in his false quotes (came into a thread that was full of worried posts, called people cynical naysayers and mocked them for posting about the bar based on comments that nobody ever made, and wished that we failed the event). That's plain for everyone to see, it's based on posts, not on feelings.

If you mean that there is no evidence for the bar being arbitrary, here you go:

• there is no set goal, no target to reach (compared to viewership goals like 'if we reach 20k viewers we giveaway something'). It's all a mysterious unknown that ZOS claims they are tracking.
• even if they are tracking the number of Antiquities unearthed during the period (let's be honest, doubtful considering the state of the game and their servers), the goal treshholds are withheld as well, and are also entirely arbitrarily determined by ZOS. They can decide to lower or raise the requirement whenever they wish, because only they determine how far we progress, not our actual numbers.
• the Summerfall event they did was based on having the Pathfinder achievement (every account counted only once), and yet from the start of Summerset to the event only 20% of the 'alleged goal number' completed the achi. As more and more completed the achi, less and less available accounts remained who can still earn the achi every day (game pop has been falling throughout the whole month of Sept 2018), so the % increment should have decreased over the course of the event; but it didn't, it progressed at an equal rate. ZOS also kept the goal number secret (it wasn't 100% of SS owners, just 100 on whatever arbitrary scale they thought would work most).
• Not to mention that it would be PR suicide to hype up a community event with a giveaway, only for it to fail because not enough people play their game. There is also precedent for this, during the Dark Heart of Skyrim reveal, the Stream didn't hit the 150k viewership goal, but 'you've all been so great and we love you so much, we'll do it anyway' direct quote from Jess Folsom, one of the community gurus.

So, I'm not sure what you're talking about when you say that 'it's just based on feelings'. It's a fact that the goal %-es are set at arbitrary numbers, and there is 0 transparency surrounding this goal which is set and updated by ZOS alone, behind the scenes. Therefore, the bar is arbitrary, it's determined by ZOS, not by your actual numbers.

None of that means that people shouldn't do Antiquities btw. It was never about that, and nobody here was asking for people to not participate. But the bar is arbitrary, and up to ZOS's manipulation behind the scenes. (Meaning that it's equally possible that we hit their goal on the first day and they're just dragging it out, or that we'll never reach their arbitrary goal and we'll get the reward anyway, or them adjusting the number requirement behind the percentages based on how much activity they are seeing, or it being a manual bar without any tracking behind the scenes whatsoever).

There is no set goal you can see. That doesn't mean there is no set goal. Same with the target. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You say "it's a fact that the goal is set by arbitrary numbers. So where did you get your information confirming this idea you have as fact? ZoS hasn't confirmed nor denied so you are guessing. You don't have a fact just an assumption. A feeling.
I happen to think you are correct that no matter what we get the house but there is no evidence to support that theory.

ZOS announce that they set the bars for the event at 'what feels appropriate' to them.'The 100% completion goal on the Summerfall Event progress meter is a goal-post we set when designing this event that we believe our players have a high likelihood of reaching. We want our players to have fun with this event and successfully earn all three event rewards, and we chose a goal with that in mind.While we aren’t disclosing numbers, we can confirm that “100%” does not mean 100% of all players who own ESO or even ESO: Summerset.' I'm not getting this 'from a feeling', I broke it down in my comment step by step. During other community thresholds, such as Twitch viewership goals, they announce the actual number goal, not just the arbitrary % (of course, because Twitch views are transparent and aren't controlled by ZOS). And I also addressed your other point, that even if there is a set goal, it's still arbitrarily determined by ZOS because they can move the goalposts any time. Like even when there was a visible tracker (DHoS announcement Stream), and we visibly failed it, they still went ahead and gave out the rewards.