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R.I.P.---- The last great US independent has fallen.
geknighton
Soul Shriven
Whatever you may think now, this is NOT GOOD. Tech and media monopolies are the root cause of many of our problems today. Like COMCAST and AT&T Microsoft is a global player, and politicized foreign markets have a HUGE impact on their policies. The US market, it's customers and their concerns, plays an ever shrinking role in their business outlook. Bill Gates use to say all the time that games have no place on computers and should be confined to consoles. Altman was, is, and always will be, a beltway hack. Don't think for a minute they value your gaming experience over their bottom line. The tech crackdown next year is going to be EPIC, this just puts Bethesda on the table along with the rest of the monopolists. Are you ready to buy a GAME PASS?
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DreamsUnderStars✭✭✭✭✭There are still many independant studios. All this doomsaying is just silly. Calm down.15 -
geknightonSoul ShrivenDreamsUnderStars wrote: »There are still many independant studios. All this doomsaying is just silly. Calm down.
Yeah, and most of them publish on Steam because MS, SONY and Apple won't let them in. What part of "Monopoly" do you not understand?6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Well, the OP might be a huge amount of doom and gloom for no reason - now, I'm not exactly thrilled about this (I am still using win 10 1507 because I was able to get around a lot of the crap in that version - and the newer versions don't really allow that) but it's not happening until some time next year, and by that time we might have a better idea just what's likely to happen.
I'm in "wait and see" mode personally.2 -
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So, they care more about global market than about US market? Oh, sweet sound of falling sky.geknighton wrote: »Microsoft is a global player, and politicized foreign markets have a HUGE impact on their policies. The US market, it's customers and their concerns, plays an ever shrinking role in their business outlook.
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WARchief10K✭✭✭I mean it was tumbling right over with or without todays decision.Cyrodiil crafting recipe: Cyrodiil 2014 + some siege + a hammer = Cyrodiil 20200 -
Ozby✭✭✭✭✭I think this is good news personally.PC NA
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✭✭✭✭✭Given the things that have been happening to other small publishers and gaming companies- the sale of MMO's to larger corporations, the sudden shut down of many mobile games by large companies that used to be healthy and could have supported them under normal circumstances (Even Square Enix is feeling the crunch, they shut down a Final Fantasy moblie title this year. A final fantasy title. It was a mobile game, yes, but the shut down of something related to such a large, well received franchise is scary coming from such a big company- especially when you are seeing smaller gaming companies shut down or sell mmo's and mobile titles everywhere...) this is somewhat scary. 2020 has not been kind to the gaming industry.
Certainly, the transfer of titles to other companies is common in the industry, but not on such an extreme scale as has been happening this year. It's been crazy, and it makes one wonder if other things aren't happening underneath the hood of Zenimax that made this necessary for them to survive, given the state of other gaming companies at the moment.
Any time I see microsoft get it's hands on something, I cringe. Especially since the launch of other games exclusively through the microsoft store has been wrought with failures...one game even decided to launch on steam because they were literally loosing revenue due to the fact that players couldn't even access the game at global release...for months on end...
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Legends never die
They're written down in eternity
But you'll never see the price it costs
The scars collected all their lives
When everything's lost, they pick up their hearts and avenge defeat
Before it all starts, they suffer through harm just to touch a dream
Oh, pick yourself up, 'cause
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✭ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »Given the things that have been happening to other small publishers and gaming companies- the sale of MMO's to larger corporations, the sudden shut down of many mobile games by large companies that used to be healthy and could have supported them under normal circumstances (Even Square Enix is feeling the crunch, they shut down a Final Fantasy moblie title this year. A final fantasy title. It was a mobile game, yes, but the shut down of something related to such a large, well received franchise is scary coming from such a big company- especially when you are seeing smaller gaming companies shut down or sell mmo's and mobile titles everywhere...) this is somewhat scary. 2020 has not been kind to the gaming industry.
Certainly, the transfer of titles to other companies is common in the industry, but not on such an extreme scale as has been happening this year. It's been crazy, and it makes one wonder if other things aren't happening underneath the hood of Zenimax that made this necessary for them to survive, given the state of other gaming companies at the moment.
Any time I see microsoft get it's hands on something, I cringe. Especially since the launch of other games exclusively through the microsoft store has been wrought with failures...one game even decided to launch on steam because they were literally loosing revenue due to the fact that players couldn't even access the game at global release...for months on end...
Exclusive blue screen of death themed crowncrates, anyone?
Well the BSoD is legendary
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✭✭✭✭FriedEggSandwich wrote: »ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »Given the things that have been happening to other small publishers and gaming companies- the sale of MMO's to larger corporations, the sudden shut down of many mobile games by large companies that used to be healthy and could have supported them under normal circumstances (Even Square Enix is feeling the crunch, they shut down a Final Fantasy moblie title this year. A final fantasy title. It was a mobile game, yes, but the shut down of something related to such a large, well received franchise is scary coming from such a big company- especially when you are seeing smaller gaming companies shut down or sell mmo's and mobile titles everywhere...) this is somewhat scary. 2020 has not been kind to the gaming industry.
Certainly, the transfer of titles to other companies is common in the industry, but not on such an extreme scale as has been happening this year. It's been crazy, and it makes one wonder if other things aren't happening underneath the hood of Zenimax that made this necessary for them to survive, given the state of other gaming companies at the moment.
Any time I see microsoft get it's hands on something, I cringe. Especially since the launch of other games exclusively through the microsoft store has been wrought with failures...one game even decided to launch on steam because they were literally loosing revenue due to the fact that players couldn't even access the game at global release...for months on end...
Exclusive blue screen of death themed crowncrates, anyone?
Well the BSoD is legendary
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Dimski✭✭✭What does it tell you if it's being sold to Microsoft instead of Daybreak or Gamersfirst0 -
fastolfv_ESO✭✭✭✭✭zos couldnt handle fixing eso, so even if microsoft failed it would change nothing5 -
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✭✭It's a world wide market. Just saying.So they raised the floor and lowered the ceiling. Except the ceiling has spikes in it now and the floor is also lava.3 -
geknightonSoul ShrivenFriedEggSandwich wrote: »ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »Certainly, the transfer of titles to other companies is common in the industry, but not on such an extreme scale as has been happening this year. It's been crazy, and it makes one wonder if other things aren't happening underneath the hood of Zenimax that made this necessary for them to survive, given the state of other gaming companies at the moment.
When Cryptic Studios (City of heroes...Champions Online) Got screwed over by Marvel and later sued they were picked up by a Korean firm, NCSOFT who kept their doors open, and lfinally ended up with a Shanghai cashbox/PTW outfit call "Perfect World International" Ever since they have been churning out franchised lootbox/cashgrabs like "Star Trek Online" and "Neverwinter Nights Online".
Surely this must be torture for developer employees with families and mortgages. I have never liked Robert Altman, was never able to pin down exactly how a beltway rat financed his gaming combine, but I'll tell you this: If he CARED about his customers and employees he would have either waited another 2 or three years for a better deal in a better political climate, or chosen not to sell out at all. Regulation is going to bust some big Tech/Media chops in the next couple of years, and this was NOT an employee friendly move for an other wise successful and solvent company. But then again if he couldn't hold on to people like John Carmack and Jeremy Soule he was likely in the wrong business anyway.0 -
geknightonSoul ShrivenFata1moose wrote: »Today I learned that OP doesn't understand what a monopoly is.
MIcrosoft has been the target of over a dozen monololy/anttrust lawsuits worldwide in the last 20 years. You won't ever learn ANYTHING unless you get your head out of your nether regions long enough to see daylight.3 -
shimm✭✭✭✭✭What’s a “politicized foreign market”? This implies that the domestic market isn’t politicized. Spoiler - it is.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭geknighton wrote: »Bill Gates use to say all the time that games have no place on computers and should be confined to consoles.
So, do you have a pretty weak computer then? I play games on both PC and Console, and all of my PC games are through Steam which is really convenient. I really don't see where your doomsday claiming is coming from. Bethesda Games and ZOS will continue developing, Microsoft will just be the new publisher with their name on the corner of the box art. Hell, maybe Microsoft's huge investment capabilities may IMPROVE ESO's development.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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geknightonSoul ShrivenWhat’s a “politicized foreign market”? This implies that the domestic market isn’t politicized. Spoiler - it is.
It's people like the PRC and Saudi Arabia allowing piracy of your IP and not letting you get paid for services unless you tow the party line. Many of these places are hostile to US interests and leverage concessions and public declarations from corporations who do business there. This is Business as usual in the autocrat/despot world. Both Mr. Gates and the "entertainment industry" have allowed financial concerns to cloud their public and business stances on many issues. China uses Windows. China LOVES Windows, but paying a capitalist for services rendered is NOT obligatory there. Kissing up can make you rich. Ask AT&T and Warner Media.......1 -
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