I only do dungeon with my guild mates because they are the only ones who need tanks.
The MAJORITY of the players who join the queues know everything about the game, they are the best players in the world and I'm always doing everything wrong. Of course they don't need to do mechanics. Of course they don't need to wait for me to pull the enemies. Of course they don't need to avoid AoE.

Simply put: the majority of players in dungeon queues don't realize that they are in a group and shoul hame a team spirit. They are just a bunch of solo players grouped together.

Edit: spelling

People complain about the epidemic of fake tanks in the group finder. As a player who does occasionally play a tank, I prefer to complain about all the fake DPS that you get in Group Finder. You know - the players who have selected the DPS role, but simply aren't doing their jobs...

I pug tank everything that is available through group finder. I honestly don't mind the issues that come with random groups....to me its to be expected. I find some things annoying, and some things will cause me to leave....but it also wont stop me from using it.

I think vet tanks should try to PUG at least one non-DLC vet dungeon per week as a community service.

You'll still get some purple drops, it will just take a little longer. You might even get to help a newer player run their first vet dungeon and get their first monster helm. I always enjoy how excited some players get. They are like all caps thanking the group. They know they didn't help much, but they are glad they didn't get booted.

It's all of the above for me.

I hardly ever queue for a pledge anymore, only running with preset groups. And when I do, I'd rather not tank.

When I queued in the past it was a nightmare 9 times out of 10. You are at the mercy of your dps, so if they run ahead and mess up pulls, blame you if they get killed, skip stuff you don't know they are skipping, etc. It just ruins the run. And even if they don't do any of that stuff, if they are bad at doing damage, then fights that are normally laughable become impossible, same if they have no idea how to do mechanics. Some fights are impossible to pass if you don't do the most basic of mechanics. To be a good dps, you have to know the mechs as well as do decent (not even the best) damage. Fake healers are only annoying when you actually need healing on certain dungeons, but I lay most of the problems I have with pledge queues at the feet of the dps.

Vevvev wrote: »

Group runs ahead: I can handle this.
Group pulls early: I can handle this.
Group blames you for everything: Sometimes it can be my fault and I do improve.
Fake Healers: I can handle this to.
Group doesn't do mechanics (freeing allies from pins etc): I can handle this but this is where we get into danger territory...
Super Low DPS in vet content (esp DLCs): I cannot for the life of me fix this issue. This is the single reason why I hate tanking in ESO and sometime not even want to heal. Terrible DPS can break a lot of veteran DLC dungeons in this game and if the first boss is a struggle I don't have high hopes for the rest of the dungeon.

Bad damage is tough...but not the end of the world...as an example, ran vCT the other night...we finished the last boss with group DPS of 17.4k. To be fair, I think neither of the DPS had been there before and spent most of the fight dead...when they were alive group DPS was something like 54k. Of course...that was one long dungeon, and there are some dungeons that have DPS checks....but as with everything, content matters. vBCII is miserable to pug as a tank these days...I would rather pug almost any vDLC than BCII, at least there is still something to be learned from the DLC dungeons.

There's always someone in guild chat who needs a tank for pledges. Why would I queue?

Larcomar wrote: »

Giraffon wrote: »

I think vet tanks should try to PUG at least one non-DLC vet dungeon per week as a community service.

You'll still get some purple drops, it will just take a little longer. You might even get to help a newer player run their first vet dungeon and get their first monster helm. I always enjoy how excited some players get. They are like all caps thanking the group. They know they didn't help much, but they are glad they didn't get booted.

I used to think like that. Problem is, for every one of those - and they do bring a smile to your face - there's ten ***....

Well yes. As a vet level tank, we don't need to put up with any personal attacks or disrepect. We can take a few parting shots and then stick em' with a nice 40 minute wait while we go insta-queue another group. They can think about the error of their ways while they wait. LOL

Add "cp 130 players with abysmal dps who don't even reply to me saying 'hi'".
I'd actually be willing to carry people if they were friendly...

Main healer/ Tank here.

Do a lot of random dungeon and damage dealer are terrible,i hope eso gonna give in tips when they die, did you tried to play healer or tank ?

When i see a lot of fake tank and fake healer i have just a stupid idea for dungeon special effect.

now your role give you positive and negative effect (like low lvl who tag in dungeon they win a special effect)

DD: increase your damage done by 50 %

Healer: grants 10 % max ressource of your teammate who use your synergize, decrease all damage done by 75 % (except the funnel health who have a healing effect), increase buff duration by 25 %

Tank: decrease damage done by 75 %, when you doing being killed by 1 hit mechanic or hit you keep 10 % of you max hp (you doing have >90% of your hp for keep this effect.

with this kind of effect we can avoid the risk of fake tank/healer.

I don't play with randos, that's why.

There are numerous ways/opportunities to run with pre-mades and avoid all of the problems that come with PUGs.

When tanking would rather run with friends.

Alot of people que without knowing the mechs to most DLC stuff.

In normal: Absurdly low dps, (i'm doing 30%+ dps on a tank, standing still), usually 20k group dps or less. Content is easy enough that we don't wipe, but I could just solo it faster. I only tanked normal with below 50 characters for xp, but have given up now, it is a waste of time.

In vet: "All of the above". Plus repeated wipes, even on trash, and many times someone just quits and the endboss is never reached. The lack of proper setup of those who queued becomes obvious, unlike in normals where you 'can' roleplay and finish an hour later.

All of these issues culminate in the ultimate gaming experience which is tanking a veteran dlc using random queue in ESO. I last did that 3 years ago, but I still remember every minute of two 4-4 hour runs. All for a single dye I never used.

hizium wrote: »

I only do dungeon with my guild mates because they are the only ones who need tanks.
The MAJORITY of the players who join the queues know everything about the game, they are the best players in the world and I'm always doing everything wrong. Of course they don't need to do mechanics. Of course they don't need to wait for me to pull the enemies. Of course they don't need to avoid AoE.

Simply put: the majority of players in dungeon queues don't realize that they are in a group and shoul hame a team spirit. They are just a bunch of solo players grouped together.

Edit: spelling

It would be nice to have a pool for healers and for DDs too. Because every serious player (in any role) will have some troubling times in randoms, and its basically casual players thinking they are good enough to do veteran content. People need to realize that veteran is not the same as having high damage, or having a full golden set.