If they just spam dodgeroll and cloak than ignore them.
Best time to fight back is when they go for their burst combo.
Immovable pots with good timing can help.
Time your stun so that it lands when they come out of dodge.
Use undodgeable stun(if you have access to one).
Etc etc
Ariades_swe wrote: »Nbs have a high skill floor.
If they are good and got either the speed ring or the torc they are among the hardest to kill when they know how to utilize cloak and shade together with rolly polly.
Good Nbs are a challenge this patch with the damagebuffs they got coupled with the healing nerfs last update.
The good ones can go full glasscannon while having a strong defensive kit.
Other classes generally have to invest in defensive stats.
pauld1_ESO wrote: »I main a NB too and some of these dudes are just sketchy if you ask me Many of them are dodging 99% of my attempts, at times not even a rolling animation, then they still have stamina to burst.
Especially when I am spamming a quick ability like silver bolts and you are dodging 100% of them lol.
xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »pauld1_ESO wrote: »I main a NB too and some of these dudes are just sketchy if you ask me Many of them are dodging 99% of my attempts, at times not even a rolling animation, then they still have stamina to burst.
Especially when I am spamming a quick ability like silver bolts and you are dodging 100% of them lol.
I wonder if they wear the crusader set for even more dodge immunity. Found out yesterday that soul trap is dodge able, wth I though dots were not dodge able. Never before has someone dodged my dots.
Nb doesn't need a nerf over this though because any stam class can roll like this. I think dodge roll needs more counters is all or like at least one. Hp tanks can be beat with sustained dps or oblivion damage. People that hold block can get messed up by dots. Cloak is easily countered by detect pots. I remember templar's jesus beam used to dominate roll spammers, but I never see it anymore. Wuh happun?
Ok, lets batman with prep time for a second here. Lets pretend we are in the bat cave planning how to take down Bat man's new villian, Dr. Roll. What class does bat man play and what sets does he use to frick up Dr. Roll. Yes, I will make a character just to counter the only thing in Cyrodiil I can't beat. Would a magicka templar still work? What if I build him for maximum jesus beam and soul assault damage? Sorry those are the only abilities I know for sure can't be dodged(Like I said soul trap recently got crossed off that list).
So far I am thinking:
Magicka templar
Soul assault + jesus beam for roll catching
Oblivions foe for more soul assault damage, not sure if its worth it.
500 ult soul assault with balorgh for maximum roll catch power
War maiden????
Probably a lightning staff because the heavy cant be dodged
Full impen gear so I am hard to burst down in between his rolls
Thoughts? Biggest part of the strategy is to find his shade and camp it so he cannot teleport away. Will probably also be a vampire for the purpose of sneaking up and waiting for my moment to strike. Some how I just know this won't be enough..........
xI_The_Owl_Ix wrote: »xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »pauld1_ESO wrote: »I main a NB too and some of these dudes are just sketchy if you ask me Many of them are dodging 99% of my attempts, at times not even a rolling animation, then they still have stamina to burst.
Especially when I am spamming a quick ability like silver bolts and you are dodging 100% of them lol.
I wonder if they wear the crusader set for even more dodge immunity. Found out yesterday that soul trap is dodge able, wth I though dots were not dodge able. Never before has someone dodged my dots.
Nb doesn't need a nerf over this though because any stam class can roll like this. I think dodge roll needs more counters is all or like at least one. Hp tanks can be beat with sustained dps or oblivion damage. People that hold block can get messed up by dots. Cloak is easily countered by detect pots. I remember templar's jesus beam used to dominate roll spammers, but I never see it anymore. Wuh happun?
Ok, lets batman with prep time for a second here. Lets pretend we are in the bat cave planning how to take down Bat man's new villian, Dr. Roll. What class does bat man play and what sets does he use to frick up Dr. Roll. Yes, I will make a character just to counter the only thing in Cyrodiil I can't beat. Would a magicka templar still work? What if I build him for maximum jesus beam and soul assault damage? Sorry those are the only abilities I know for sure can't be dodged(Like I said soul trap recently got crossed off that list).
So far I am thinking:
Magicka templar
Soul assault + jesus beam for roll catching
Oblivions foe for more soul assault damage, not sure if its worth it.
500 ult soul assault with balorgh for maximum roll catch power
War maiden????
Probably a lightning staff because the heavy cant be dodged
Full impen gear so I am hard to burst down in between his rolls
Thoughts? Biggest part of the strategy is to find his shade and camp it so he cannot teleport away. Will probably also be a vampire for the purpose of sneaking up and waiting for my moment to strike. Some how I just know this won't be enough..........
I play a stamNB the the classes I struggle the most are magDK, AoE magPlar, AoE magDen and stamDen. Every that is AoE usually hard counters cloak and roll dodge making it very easy to kill squishy stamBlades. MagPlars with detect pots and toppling spam are probably the most annoying to fight tho.
Just put a stick thru their skates.
Well, dodgeroll is already quite unreliable imo. Specially in lagg. I doubt it will be healthy to nerf it further, then everyone will be playing sword n board ***.
xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »
FriedEggSandwich wrote: »Streak, curse and overload heavy attacks are undodgeable afaik, but you risk looking super sweaty streaking after someone trying to palpatine them down. But couldn't you also attack their stam with poisons, or something? Or does purge fix that too? If someone is too rollie to be bothered by my streak I usually just leave them alone though, I don't like people thinking I'm desperate to kill them.
Hahahaha, that goes without saying. If they really don't want to die, you don't even see them in the first place .xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »... if a nb wants to not die, damn you cant kill them.
xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »If they just spam dodgeroll and cloak than ignore them.
Best time to fight back is when they go for their burst combo.
Immovable pots with good timing can help.
Time your stun so that it lands when they come out of dodge.
Use undodgeable stun(if you have access to one).
Etc etc
I am a nb too, but I am full glass cannon so I cant sit still and wait for him to stop rolling. Only difference is I cant roll spam, so I have to sit in stealth to avoid getting 1 shotted myself. Soon as I go stealth, he starts roll spamming.
I don't understand how he infinite rolls when every time I log on my stamblade about every 20 - 30 mins my stam recovery goes to 0. Tried re equipping gear, reloading, porting, etc. All I can do is quit and restart. Really annoying and been happening for like 4-5 months and as I figured still waiting to be fixed. I am not the only one with this issue on stamblade either
Is this in cyrodiil? How its performing in cyrodiil?Hahahaha, that goes without saying. If they really don't want to die, you don't even see them in the first place .xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »... if a nb wants to not die, damn you cant kill them.
I play a magblade with a Meridia's Blessed Armor back bar this patch, by the way. This has been changed so it only activates every 25 seconds, but it now gives you 100% dodge chance versus all attackers. A new alternative to disengage, it allows me to take more risks without putting the shade up. You can recognise it by the "sunburst" animation.
xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »I don't understand how he infinite rolls when every time I log on my stamblade about every 20 - 30 mins my stam recovery goes to 0. Tried re equipping gear, reloading, porting, etc. All I can do is quit and restart. Really annoying and been happening for like 4-5 months and as I figured still waiting to be fixed. I am not the only one with this issue on stamblade either
I can help you with this one! It is primarily the mythic amulet that enables this. It works extremely well on a nb since we use a lot of magicka to cloak and cast shade. As long as you stay under 50% magicka the amulet gives you YUGE stam regen. They probably combine this with a little bit of well fitted gear, but mostly impen so they cannot be ganked. If they were too squishy their epic 1vx montage would get ruined by 1 sneak attack, so for sure got impen. Tri-restore potions are certainly used as well. A lot of stam recovery enchants as well. They kill with one burst combo so they don't need a lot of damage. I wonder how they fair against tanks though with such low damage.
I just got to figure out what their burst combo is. I recently dueled the guy I made this thread about and his combo is so fast. Even looking at the abilities he used I have no idea what he does. Its like every possible damage in one gcd with 1 proc set and the proc set wasn't even one of the op ones. All that damage, stam regen, and impen in one build. I did find out I could sneak attack him as long as I use simmering frenzy first he dies. I hear he is a pretty chill dude, so I will probably ask him some day how his combo works. Idk if its a secret though and he might not want an enemy to use it on him.
I think I will stick with my stam nb and just find a setup to deal with rollers. I will probably use dual wield for whirlwind and have a build for heavy attacks. Apparently heavy attack dual wield builds are pretty bursty right now and I know for a fact that curse of doylemish can proc from a dual wield heavy attack. I think it will have a big enough sneak attack to bring him to very low health and I can whirlwind to finish him off. I am not 100% positive if whirlwind can be dodge, but it is an aoe attack so it hopefully isn't dodgeable.
xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »I don't understand how he infinite rolls when every time I log on my stamblade about every 20 - 30 mins my stam recovery goes to 0. Tried re equipping gear, reloading, porting, etc. All I can do is quit and restart. Really annoying and been happening for like 4-5 months and as I figured still waiting to be fixed. I am not the only one with this issue on stamblade either
I can help you with this one! It is primarily the mythic amulet that enables this. It works extremely well on a nb since we use a lot of magicka to cloak and cast shade. As long as you stay under 50% magicka the amulet gives you YUGE stam regen. They probably combine this with a little bit of well fitted gear, but mostly impen so they cannot be ganked. If they were too squishy their epic 1vx montage would get ruined by 1 sneak attack, so for sure got impen. Tri-restore potions are certainly used as well. A lot of stam recovery enchants as well. They kill with one burst combo so they don't need a lot of damage. I wonder how they fair against tanks though with such low damage.
I just got to figure out what their burst combo is. I recently dueled the guy I made this thread about and his combo is so fast. Even looking at the abilities he used I have no idea what he does. Its like every possible damage in one gcd with 1 proc set and the proc set wasn't even one of the op ones. All that damage, stam regen, and impen in one build. I did find out I could sneak attack him as long as I use simmering frenzy first he dies. I hear he is a pretty chill dude, so I will probably ask him some day how his combo works. Idk if its a secret though and he might not want an enemy to use it on him.
I think I will stick with my stam nb and just find a setup to deal with rollers. I will probably use dual wield for whirlwind and have a build for heavy attacks. Apparently heavy attack dual wield builds are pretty bursty right now and I know for a fact that curse of doylemish can proc from a dual wield heavy attack. I think it will have a big enough sneak attack to bring him to very low health and I can whirlwind to finish him off. I am not 100% positive if whirlwind can be dodge, but it is an aoe attack so it hopefully isn't dodgeable.
I have all mythics. Game glitches to zero stam recovery regardless what I wear. Not I'm out of stam cause a noob, I have no stam recovery. Take a potion gives me a small amount of stam but still 0 recovery. Idk I've tried everything. Getting to the point I don't even want to play eso that much anymore