Healers, do you ignore tanks in Trials?

radiostar · September 2020

In either normal or veteran Trials, do you expect tanks to heal themselves?

redspecter23 · September 2020

Depends on the content. If a tank has dragon blood and can hit themselves with an emergency heal from time to time, no problem. If I'm tossing various AOE heals and the tank is there, it would be impossible to not hit them.

If the tank is off in the middle of nowhere, not following group preferred tactics and dying needlessly, then they are probably not a good tank.

I suspect there is a story behind this question and many details about that story are being left out. It could be anything, bad healer, bad tank or anything else in between.

Alienoutlaw · September 2020

most tanks can self sustain just need the occasional shard

radiostar · September 2020

Maybe I should have put vet Trials. Never happened in normal Trials. My bad.

Nestor · September 2020

You want the Tank to be alive. So, ignore the Tank at your own peril. A dead tank can create a domino effect of deaths with the DPS's, especially as they try to heal the player who is laying dead at the feet of the boss.

Now, a decent Tank can survive most situations, but throwing some heals at them from time to time is going to be needed. So, keep an eye on the tank, but you don't have to babysit a good one.

radiostar · September 2020

redspecter23 wrote: »

Depends on the content. If a tank has dragon blood and can hit themselves with an emergency heal from time to time, no problem. If I'm tossing various AOE heals and the tank is there, it would be impossible to not hit them.

If the tank is off in the middle of nowhere, not following group preferred tactics and dying needlessly, then they are probably not a good tank.

I suspect there is a story behind this question and many details about that story are being left out. It could be anything, bad healer, bad tank or anything else in between.

Backstory is after getting hit with 80K and dying I said I don't think I got any heals. Response was Im supposed to heal myself.

VaxtinTheWolf · September 2020

I don't play in Trials, never explored any of them, however I do recommend having a heal or two to lift pressure from the healers while they focus on the rest of the group. You should be sturdy enough to take a few slaps on your own, depending on your class and resource management setup. Also, was that '80k' from a single hit or several hits in short succession.

MasterSpatula · September 2020

radiostar wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Depends on the content. If a tank has dragon blood and can hit themselves with an emergency heal from time to time, no problem. If I'm tossing various AOE heals and the tank is there, it would be impossible to not hit them.

If the tank is off in the middle of nowhere, not following group preferred tactics and dying needlessly, then they are probably not a good tank.

I suspect there is a story behind this question and many details about that story are being left out. It could be anything, bad healer, bad tank or anything else in between.

Backstory is after getting hit with 80K and dying I said I don't think I got any heals. Response was Im supposed to heal myself.

I take it that 80K was spread over several attacks, right?

Alienoutlaw · September 2020

radiostar wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Depends on the content. If a tank has dragon blood and can hit themselves with an emergency heal from time to time, no problem. If I'm tossing various AOE heals and the tank is there, it would be impossible to not hit them.

If the tank is off in the middle of nowhere, not following group preferred tactics and dying needlessly, then they are probably not a good tank.

I suspect there is a story behind this question and many details about that story are being left out. It could be anything, bad healer, bad tank or anything else in between.

Backstory is after getting hit with 80K and dying I said I don't think I got any heals. Response was Im supposed to heal myself.

depending on your build 80k in one hit can be a 1 shot deal if its over time then either your correct and not getting heals or something wrong in your build

Vevvev · September 2020

I try heal everyone but the tanks just full heal themselves before my heals even touch them. Don't really see a point most of the time so I make sure to throw an orb at them every so often and maybe a heal if they get low.

Karm1cOne · September 2020

80k damage sounds like tank user error. You missed a mechanic.

CaffeinatedMayhem · September 2020

As stated, a good tank should only need AoE heals and shards/orbs. Purge in a few situations. If I need constant heals, it’s because someone is learning, either me or the DPS.

radiostar · September 2020

MasterSpatula wrote: »

I take it that 80K was spread over several attacks, right?

Yes, a bunch of attacks listed on the recap.

radiostar · September 2020

Karm1cOne wrote: »

80k damage sounds like tank user error. You missed a mechanic.

With No Heals Whatsoever?

radiostar · September 2020

Ok, fine. You know what. Maybe I just am not doing my part.
I'll try to do better. Ofc it's all my fault.
If I was the healer, it'd be my fault too, lol.

idk · September 2020

radiostar wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Depends on the content. If a tank has dragon blood and can hit themselves with an emergency heal from time to time, no problem. If I'm tossing various AOE heals and the tank is there, it would be impossible to not hit them.

If the tank is off in the middle of nowhere, not following group preferred tactics and dying needlessly, then they are probably not a good tank.

I suspect there is a story behind this question and many details about that story are being left out. It could be anything, bad healer, bad tank or anything else in between.

Backstory is after getting hit with 80K and dying I said I don't think I got any heals. Response was Im supposed to heal myself.

Are you running with pugs? That is a serious question because I have never heard a vet trial healer suggest the tank should be the sole source of their own healing needs. I am assuming the 80k came in multiple hits because something was done wrong if that was all at once.

A DK tank should be able to help heal themselves with DB and more importantly dodge the heaviest hits from bosses.

Edit: I see where you said the death recap noted the damage was from multiple attacks so scored out the related comment.

kargen27 · September 2020

The only time I ignore the tank is if the tank does something stupid then tries to blame me.

I always keep an eye on the tank and send either an orb or shard their way whether they need them or not. Just a part of the rotation and I don't want to get lazy and miss when a tank does really need my help. Resources isn't an issue most of the time for me so not a problem to include the tank. If possible I position myself so that any orb I send goes through the group on the way to the tank. If not possible tank is priority unless it is really obvious he isn't struggling any.

zvavi · September 2020

Mostly yes, but obviously support when needed. (Tbh I was once tanking vSS and asked the healer To stop healing me during shout because I was trying to use the altar synergy...)

iiRenity · September 2020

Nothing good has ever come from ignoring the tanks. If I see the other healers have the tanks covered then I'll focus on the DPS. If I see a tank without a heals nearby at any point I immediately shift focus.

Olupajmibanan · September 2020

Ignoring a tank completely can be fatal in some encounters. But usualy, tanks do not need any special treatment outside of occassional Spear + some HoT running.

Elwendryll · September 2020

Well. As a tank I only expect the healer to support me when I have healing debuffs on me. Like the mark in vCR execute.

Otherwise I always act as if I didn't have any external healing, and often it turns out true, healers get used to it. Having orbs is still nice, I have to proc Alkosh you know

Grandchamp1989 · September 2020

I was tankin vet Sunspire and during the dragon breath phase it would be absolutely impossible for me to stay alive without healers help. Even with block, shield spam.

I have seen some trials where healers seem to ignore the tank, but in my limited experience I don't think it's wise on Sunspire on the main tank in vet.

But then again I'm not really a Trial tank

Supreme_Atromancer · September 2020

It was your mistake for not understanding the mechanic, and how to respond to it.

Which is fine, but what you should be saying if you want help is what trial it was, and what mechanic(s) killed you.

akdave0 · September 2020

Always heal main and off. Especially when doing hm and dlc trials. Drop ring, orb, regen, shard, bone shield if I’m close enough. Tanks and healers need to be working and on their feet. More dps need to have a heal slotted than rely so heavily on healers. Glass cannons are no good if they are floor mats.

Cirantille · September 2020

I always prioritise tank

DD dies, so what, there are 8 of them anyway

mobicera · September 2020

Where is the response it is relative to the situation at hand.
There are a few situations that a tank will be off playing by themselves.
Also stuff happens, healers might go down.
A good tank will be able to self sustain for a while.
Try not just pointing fingers, it's much more valuable to learn.

majulook · September 2020

I send out specific heals to Tanks but not just heals, also other abilities/skills they can use for synergy.

tigerborn62 · September 2020

I'll say this, tho... My tank gets everything, but it can be difficult at best if the dd are running all over gods creation. No joke. My biggest pet peeve. NOT working together.

Jaimeh · September 2020

Ignore: of course not! If the tank dies, the group might wipe. Healers should be always mindful of the tank's health/resources. Super solo focus: only on certain phases in a fight. If the tank requires super focus all the time, then there's something wrong.

phileunderx2 · September 2020

As a healer the last person I want dying in my group is my tank.. Dps are expendable tanks are not.

Xarc · September 2020

I was main tank
Now I'm main heal (another char). I know what it is.

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