The sure-fire way to police Stream Sniping is the same solution to all other open world PvP exploits

Dusk_Coven · September 2020

You can stop stream sniping.
You can stop AP boosting in Cyrodiil.
You can stop door camping to kill people in a load screen.
As a bonus you can solve the problem of unbalanced faction population and PvDoor.

By closing open world PvP entirely and putting all PvP into battlegrounds only.
You can keep capture? Resource capture? Make them into BG maps.

It's way past time they did that, just to limit how much players can exploit. Time and again they've proven they will try to exploit whatever they can and trust that ZOS won't actually do anything.

DisgracefulMind · September 2020

Let us as least duo group tho thx

VaranisArano · September 2020

Well, that's the nuclear option. "Fixing" the problem by getting rid of ALL opportunity to cheat. Or, you know, play those game modes at all.

There is such a thing as being so anti-cheating that it wraps around to anti-player.

Seriously, I like playing in Cyrodiil. I would really dislike it if your vendetta against cheaters getting my option to play removed.

YandereGirlfriend · September 2020

This is not the way.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · September 2020

This seems a bit like killing the patient to cure the disease if I am being honest.

Stream Sniping as a punishable concept is laughable at best if you ask me. Two easy fixes. One, if you are going to stream, git gud. I have never stream sniped (didnt know that was even what it was called until today), but if I see a known streamer, I attack 100% of the time. To some degree, you are asking for it. Two, put your stream on a delay.

CaffeinatedMayhem · September 2020

VaranisArano wrote: »

Well, that's the nuclear option. "Fixing" the problem by getting rid of ALL opportunity to cheat. Or, you know, play those game modes at all.

There is such a thing as being so anti-cheating that it wraps around to anti-player.

Seriously, I like playing in Cyrodiil. I would really dislike your vendetta against cheaters getting my option to play removed.

Also, knowing where someone is during a battleground is very advantageous, so *all* pvp would need to be removed. If ZOS thought that option was in the best interest of the game, all these AoE tests would be pointless.

Edaphon · September 2020

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

You can stop stream sniping.
You can stop AP boosting in Cyrodiil.
You can stop door camping to kill people in a load screen.
As a bonus you can solve the problem of unbalanced faction population and PvDoor.

By closing open world PvP entirely and putting all PvP into battlegrounds only.
You can keep capture? Resource capture? Make them into BG maps.

It's way past time they did that, just to limit how much players can exploit. Time and again they've proven they will try to exploit whatever they can and trust that ZOS won't actually do anything.

Getting killed in PvP isn't the end of the world. Just get over it and try a little harder next time.

VaranisArano · September 2020

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Let us as least duo group tho thx

Yeah, Battlegrounds does not scratch the same itch as Cyrodiil does for me, at all. Especially without being able to PVP with my friends anymore.

EramTheLiar · September 2020

"Ban open world PvP because I record and broadcast my PvP games and people watch them" seems like such a very broad solution to a very, very narrow problem.

Girl_Number8 · September 2020

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

You can stop stream sniping.
You can stop AP boosting in Cyrodiil.
You can stop door camping to kill people in a load screen.
As a bonus you can solve the problem of unbalanced faction population and PvDoor.

By closing open world PvP entirely and putting all PvP into battlegrounds only.
You can keep capture? Resource capture? Make them into BG maps.

It's way past time they did that, just to limit how much players can exploit. Time and again they've proven they will try to exploit whatever they can and trust that ZOS won't actually do anything.

Sounds more like griefing players that love PvP than a real solution

Oh my

Sanctum74 · September 2020

We get it, you don’t like pvp, but do you have to keep spamming the same thing in dozens of threads. Best solution is if you don’t like something then don’t do it instead of ruining the game for other people.

Sephyr · September 2020

VaranisArano wrote: »

Well, that's the nuclear option. "Fixing" the problem by getting rid of ALL opportunity to cheat. Or, you know, play those game modes at all.

There is such a thing as being so anti-cheating that it wraps around to anti-player.

Seriously, I like playing in Cyrodiil. I would really dislike it if your vendetta against cheaters getting my option to play removed.

Agreed. At that point, all the exploits and harassment can totally be fully policed by just shutting the game down. I don't understand how the OP thinks this is a practical solution to one of player complacency and a lack of exploit fixes. It's just as much as a band-aid fix as everything else going on right now. I'm 90% sure the thread is bait.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · September 2020

Yeah BGs are not really fun tho it’s barely PvP forced no CP takes away all the exp you earned over the years, it’s small In size and far too limiting with the time crunch. I only do BG to breakup the PvE on a toon that’s not Cyrodiil ready and for the style pages. No other real point to them. Unless you like small scale PvP.

JamieAubrey · September 2020

Just give me effing camp immunity, if I spawn at a camp I should have immunity for about 30 seconds or until I MOVE

Why should I die at a keep spawn at a camp only to die from that stupid effing NB while in a load screen causing my load screen to be longer

fullheartcontainer · September 2020

If you stream you take the risk. You're showing everyone your game. If you dont want people to find you, put a significant delay on your gameplay footage. Otherwise, get good because people are going to come for you and it's entirely your fault not theirs.

LadyNalcarya · September 2020

Yeah, that rule is weird. How do you prove that someone is stream sniping? Can you really get banned for killing someone if they're streaming?
Idk, I don't get why streamers are treated as sacred cows. It's one thing if someone is trying to dox or harass them (that's 100% not okay), but this whole "stream sniping" thing just doesn't make sense to me.

AlnilamE · September 2020

I honestly don't care for battlegrounds at all.

Cyrodiil is my PvP jam, even though I'm not good at it.

So if your suggestion was implemented, I would stop PvPing.

But you can solve your own problem by foregoing Cyrodiil if it brings you so much grief and simply sticking to Battlegrounds, if that's the game mode you prefer.

Sylvermynx · September 2020

Actually, anyone (like me) with a totally "ABHOR" reflex for pvp (like the OP apparently) simply does not need to mess with it at all.

Doing away with it completely seems fairly counterproductive to me. It was always (seemingly) a major part of the game - perhaps intended to be the "real endgame" from things I've read. So pushing to get rid of it entirely isn't something I'm on board with any more.

dem0n1k · September 2020

But... who will be the Emperor!? :P

Streamers have their own option to avoid stream sniping if they want to take it... just delay the stream by a few minutes.

I'm not really even sure what "AP boosting" is :P

WARchief10K · September 2020

The sure fire way to stop stream sniping, is to not stream if someone tracking you down gets you emotional.

However for some reason people seem to be policing third party websites...

What's next I post I'm in an imperial district and after tracked down and killed report for sniping?

How far we willing to take this nonsense?

Bucky_13 · September 2020

No thanks, I rarely want to do BG's but I do enjoy Cyrodiil despite it's awful performance. Your suggestion would be a great way of making a lot of players leave the game, which does sound like a bad idea.

Thevampirenight · September 2020

There was this very popular streamer that came to this game for a little while. People would in fact stream snip him in imperial city that one time that and in Cyrodiil.
Because popular streamers means free advertising to the game and if stream snipers drive them away. Well not as much free advertising. By putting into place a policy that says you can be banned for doing this. This sends a message to those who like to stream snip that they will take this issue seriously.

Also there are people at Bethesda that like to stream the game. So I think stream snipping might effect those who do this as well. So the point is they put in this policy for a very good reason.
I've seen for myself the effect of stream snippers have when a popular streamer streams mmos I can see how bad it can get.

So this policy is a good change as it would make those people think twice before doing it.

Quelmiran · September 2020

Why not make a new toggle option in game to set your game on stream mode, like the one with the gamepad mode, that makes you immortal against other players.

/sarcasmoff

When you expose yourself to the public, you have to be ready to be criticized and make a fool of your self. Also be killed on online games. And this is the least worst think that can actually happen to you. You have to get over it.
I have seen a lot of arrogant, self centered, misogynists, sexists, racists people on streams that to be honest I would also like to stream snipe them. Now you gave them the means to be even more arrogant.

ZOS this is not the way to do such things. You cannot depend on one streamer's report and their followers to ban someone in game.

maxjapank · September 2020

I never really knew stream sniping was a thing. But I've found it interesting that when some streamers die, they blame it on stream sniping. Really? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe you just died to a player who outplayed you at that moment. I've also noticed that some streamers benefit greatly from chat telling them something they missed. In fact, occasionally chat has notified them to an enemy player they missed seeing. Guess it works both ways.

YandereGirlfriend · September 2020

People in this thread are intentionally misunderstanding what stream sniping actually is.

It is NOT playing in the same campaign as a streamer and killing them in the normal course of PvP.

It is NOT randomly getting matched with them in a BG.

It IS watching their stream on your second monitor or phone and stalking them around the map with the intention of griefing them and trolling their stream.

The people defending themselves in these threads know exactly what they are doing and that it is toxic. But the fact remains that it doesn't matter what their excuse is because their actions are now covered explicitly by the ToS.

TwinLamps · September 2020

Does stream sniping means if you gank someone and he is a streamer u end banned?

Quelmiran · September 2020

Just a few minutes ago I saw a streamer using a new kind of technique to walk slowly and crouch to grief/humiliate/teabag someone that someone else killed. Can i clip this behavior on another platform like twitch to ban the streamer in game. Does that actually work both ways?

E-Zekiel · September 2020

ESO does not have PvDoor. PvDoor = player attacks door with weapon/abilities. Unless I'm missing something, you need siege to damage doors.

Sorry, peeve of mine and it annoys me every time I hear it.

rpa · September 2020

Judging from the internet salt from other games the standard method of preventing PvP stream sniping is to ban everyone who the streamer reports as stream sniper.

LadyNalcarya · September 2020

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

People in this thread are intentionally misunderstanding what stream sniping actually is.

It is NOT playing in the same campaign as a streamer and killing them in the normal course of PvP.

It is NOT randomly getting matched with them in a BG.

It IS watching their stream on your second monitor or phone and stalking them around the map with the intention of griefing them and trolling their stream.

The people defending themselves in these threads know exactly what they are doing and that it is toxic. But the fact remains that it doesn't matter what their excuse is because their actions are now covered explicitly by the ToS.

I don't even watch streams, except for housing tours and official ESO stuff.
First of all, I think that everyone should be protected from stalking or harassment, no matter if they're a public figure or not.
Secondly, how do you prove that someone who killed a streamer several times in a row (for example) is stream sniping? I've ran into several streamers without even knowing who they are until my teammates told me... I'm not an expert, but being able to report people for that seems like it can be easily abused.

madrab73 · September 2020

E-Zekiel wrote: »

ESO does not have PvDoor. PvDoor = player attacks door with weapon/abilities. Unless I'm missing something, you need siege to damage doors.

Sorry, peeve of mine and it annoys me every time I hear it.

Pvdoor is when a large group attacks empty keeps away from the fighting. Some guilds specialise in this. Can be profitable for campaign as enemy has to withdraw a group from front line to deal with.