Is Magcro still bad for pvp after new patch?

Berchelous · August 2020

All magcro pvp builds on internet looks like half-support builds. Does magcro really suck at pvp?

SamanthaCarter · August 2020

No magcro op don’t trust internet

Marcus_Thracius · August 2020

Just make a health tank with Thews of the harbinger for pvp ( works in pve too ) - its the best cancer build now - stamcro rules baby

BohnT2 · August 2020

Yes, they didn't touch any of the fundamental issues of magnecro so why do you think it's better now?

IARTOI · August 2020

Magicka Necromancer really underrated in PvP. Harbinger set not always best in PvP. After sometime people starting to ignore you when they realize you are actually tank. So if nobody hits, you cant make them cancer with standart skill damages. After they nerfed the harmony last fort of necromancer has been destroyed. This is the truth.

Moonsorrow · August 2020

BohnT2 wrote: »

Yes, they didn't touch any of the fundamental issues of magnecro so why do you think it's better now?

Pretty much this.

So, if you want magcro to "work" (in solo play) you go so much hybrid that you`d be better playing just Stamcro.

Magcro healer/support is fine though. But then again, you wanna be in a group.

Can do some funny rp memeish Vampire setups with Magcro, sorta bomber ganknam style (with VD) and hit Frozen Colossus & Detonation bombs on zerglings.

Mostly though, any good build/setup you can think about - you realize it would work better on any other classes magicka specs pretty much.

Well, a magicka troll tank potential is there due to cheap class purge and big ultigen. It can always be amusing for a day or two.

Atherakhia · August 2020

Unfortunately MagCro is still absolute garbage. The only real thing MagCro has going for it over its stam counterpart was the harmony builds and that was nerfed considerably in the patch. And even that was hardly anything to brag about as the only MagCro builds you ever saw were the VD or tank builds designed to do nothing but soak damage till max ult and bomb.

It's just a poorly designed class. The siphons don't work in PvP because they're so easily avoided. The only way they'd ever work is if the tether was between the target and the corpse and not the corpse and the caster. But if they did that, the skills probably wouldn't work on some bosses because it would likely be bugged like Zaan. The mag blast bone morph still does nothing. The class has no burst outside of harmony. No execute. Everything else is just as good on stam necro.

Really no reason to play it.

BohnT2 · August 2020

Atherakhia wrote: »

Unfortunately MagCro is still absolute garbage. The only real thing MagCro has going for it over its stam counterpart was the harmony builds and that was nerfed considerably in the patch. And even that was hardly anything to brag about as the only MagCro builds you ever saw were the VD or tank builds designed to do nothing but soak damage till max ult and bomb.

It's just a poorly designed class. The siphons don't work in PvP because they're so easily avoided. The only way they'd ever work is if the tether was between the target and the corpse and not the corpse and the caster. But if they did that, the skills probably wouldn't work on some bosses because it would likely be bugged like Zaan. The mag blast bone morph still does nothing. The class has no burst outside of harmony. No execute. Everything else is just as good on stam necro.

Really no reason to play it.

That wouldn't be nearly enough to make magnecro viable.
When looking at the "viable" magspecs it's only really the old ones which weren't ruined by the 1 Tank, 1 heal 1 damage skill line.
You can't satisfy the offensive needs for PvE and PvP with 5 skills, but you can easily satisfy all defensive and healing needs with 10 Morphs
Especially with how bad those are on necro, with bombers being trash there's realistically not a single offensive skill from necromancers toolkit to use.

They'd had to completely rework both come tyrant and living death skill lines to feature a lot more offensive skills to make magnecro viable.

Right now the only thing making magnecro useable is abusing the plethora of overperforming stuff that was added in greymoor and stonethorn

Atherakhia · August 2020

What's ironic is the main thing keeping Stam Necro relevant is also abusing the few over-performing skills at their disposal. The Necromancer class is just poorly designed and since stamina in general is overpowered in PvP, Necro can capitalize on it. Mag on the otherhand is fairly weak overall so the problems of the class are plain to see. If I had to list the classes most in need of changing/overhauling, Necromancer would be #1 on that list. It's only a matter of time before BBB is nerfed and I'm sure they'll end up toning down MC at some point. Once that happens I'm sure we'd see DKs rise to the #1 spot again.

I also agree with you that simply giving Mag an execute and making siphon relevant in PvP likely wouldn't be enough. But we're still waiting on some reason for a mag morph to BB to exist. They seem to want to change Grave grasp (though their changes made it worse, as hard as that is to believe).

There's tons of potential with the class. ZOS just needs to spend more time focusing on improving the game and less time designing stuff for the cash shop.

GoodFella146 · September 2020

Class is hot garbage and whoever designed it should be completely ashamed of themselves. Literally nobody in the history of the planet would hear 'necromancer' and think that was anything but some kind of magic until they released Elsweyr.

Fail.