Mythic item leads and fishing.

Deter1UK · June 2020

Viem wrote: »

I mean seriously : who thought this to be a good idea. To spent 40+ minutes in a game, fishing... Fishing... IN a game. I mean couldn't you think any worse counter-productive, time-wasting actrivity for your player base... Fishing..?
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Heh, according to my wife the entire game is counter-productive and time wasting

Vaoh · June 2020

Raisin wrote: »

Viem wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

Hi there!
No, really, it's addictive.

No mate it really is NOT. I have just wasted 1 hour of my precious real life time pressing "E" for what? Fish..? IN a game?

Just give us an alternative and let those who like fishing, choose fishing and those who don't do something else.

Some people (me included) enjoy it. [snip] Leads are spread up around almost all different aspects of the game, and that's a good thing.
There's forum threads complaining about leads being involved with fishing, PVE, PVP, justice system, did I forget something? Probably.

Everybody is pissed that a lead drops in the content they don't want to do. The fact that people literally cannot look past "I want leads in the content I like and nowhere else " is incredible to me.

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I think part of what’s frustrating the OP and many others is that those activities are required for a totally unrelated reward.

For example...
.... fishing for a Mythic/visually unique fishing rod? Awesome.
.... fishing for the BiS Endgame PvE DPS item? Not too awesome, especially when that content (Kyne’s Aegis) is dropping trash gear.

Also I’ve known a few players who legitimately caught stacks of fish before they got their Artaeum gold lead.

The whole situation is definitely getting ridiculous. And it doesn’t take a genius to tell that most Mythics are purely BiS in PvP in order to entice PvPers to get an expansion which provides absolutely no real content for them.

Xarc · June 2020

Viem wrote: »

I mean seriously : who thought this to be a good idea. To spent 40+ minutes in a game, fishing... Fishing... IN a game.

Me.

Fur_like_snow · June 2020

Just listen to the moving water. The sound of distant thunder. It’s not about the fish or even the reward. Stop to look at some of the details in the game world the kind you’d miss from moving from one thing to the next so quickly.

TheValkyn · June 2020

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

I find fishing to be very relaxing. My recommendation is to turn off all in game sounds/music and turn up the ambient sound. Bonus if you have a nice sound system or headphones. Personally I like that the developers added another reason to fish.

Do you also like getting one line cast (maybe) before you have to go to the next spot?

Fur_like_snow · June 2020

I haven’t seen it that bad yet but I can imagine. However just like dragons once players have what they want things will return to a calmer state.

Ryath_Waylander · June 2020

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

its just so random, i got both fishing leads very fast (both within 1-2 hours), whereas i farmed wolves for the malacath lead for a day

This! At least I can make fishy sticks out of the fillets and sell them. I can get Arteum recipies or motifs. I have MURDERED the whole island of Betnikh for 3 days. Spiders, wolves, zombies, wasps, friendly ghosts, you name it. Nothing to show for it. Oh, also mudcrabs. Maybe I should try fishing there, it will definitely be more rewarding. The amount of empty corpses is ridiculous. Everything is subjective

UntilValhalla13 · June 2020

They looked at their spreadsheets and it feels like they just chose things that eat up the most time, or are normally ignored by people, to force them to rehash dead content in order to make the game seem "active".

ccfeeling · June 2020

I cant believe i wasted 2 days for fishing and got nothing.

Is this new eso selling point?

Who the hell suggest fishing for mythic gear?

mairwen85 · June 2020

ccfeeling wrote: »

I cant believe i wasted 2 days for fishing and got nothing.

Is this new eso selling point?

Who the hell suggest fishing for mythic gear?

[Snip]

But, yeah, whoever decided to tie leads to the horrendous fishing rng should have a good think about what they've imposed on the gaming population. 7hrs in stros... 3hrs in Arteaum (too few fishing nodes, too many people). Some people had it worse than that, and I can sincerely sympathise. I was expecting much worse for the latter, but I got lucky on a fishing hole by the fonts up the top near the statues that was all to myself and re-spawned quite quickly.

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Acharnor · June 2020

HA HA - I hate fishing but I really like how leads are tied to all kinds of different aspects of the game. Settle in with a bucket of worms, chase the crowds and you'll land that lead in no time plus a lot of fish which might even give you some roe!

Mettaricana · June 2020

Viem wrote: »

I mean seriously : who thought this to be a good idea. To spent 40+ minutes in a game, fishing... Fishing... IN a game. I mean couldn't you think any worse counter-productive, time-wasting actrivity for your player base... Fishing..?
Can you at least find more interesting and profitable ways to link mythic items with. I mean is fishing really a sign of, what, resolve... Dedication? I mean geeez

You should always present us with an alternative way when it comes to such activities. Let's say a lead dropping from fishing and by farming bosses in a public/normal dungeon with increased drop rate from hard mode etc.
I mean there can't be a single person out there who thinks : "Oh i can't wait to log into ESO to go fishing"...

Show some respect for our time spent in the game.

So far fishing, pvp zone, and psijic portals had to be the dumbest idea ever i just finished ththe strangles and im dreading the bloodlord

TheValkyn · June 2020

Acharnor wrote: »

HA HA - I hate fishing but I really like how leads are tied to all kinds of different aspects of the game. Settle in with a bucket of worms, chase the crowds and you'll land that lead in no time plus a lot of fish which might even give you some roe!

In no time? I’m closing in on 1200 worms used with zero leads.

kargen27 · July 2020

People are going to hate on me, I'm guessing, but I went to Arteaum to try and do a bit of fishing. I saw a flower by the Wayshrine and harvested it. I got the lead people are fishing for and happily went on my way. Others in my guild have said they have found leads that are tied to other things from harvesting something.

I'm guessing all the leads are possible but really rare from nodes in the game. Just a guess.

volkeswagon · July 2020

I like fishing. It's relaxing

santhoranb16_ESO · July 2020

Its nice to have fishing for leads. But honestly it should be something which is in contact with it. Aka fish maybe for a huge fish furnishing trophy. Or a nice rod for your home. Or maybe even some fishing costumes.
But keep fishing out of the gameplay that doesnt relates with it, fishing is maybe calming but i'm not in interest on fishing so i understand everyone that finds it plain boring to press "e" every X seconds.

ccfeeling · July 2020

volkeswagon wrote: »

I like fishing. It's relaxing

It wasn't relaxing when 20+ players share the same fishing pool

kargen27 · July 2020

santhoranb16_ESO wrote: »

Its nice to have fishing for leads. But honestly it should be something which is in contact with it. Aka fish maybe for a huge fish furnishing trophy. Or a nice rod for your home. Or maybe even some fishing costumes.
But keep fishing out of the gameplay that doesnt relates with it, fishing is maybe calming but i'm not in interest on fishing so i understand everyone that finds it plain boring to press "e" every X seconds.

This is by design just like much in the game. Sets that are good for PvP are only available by doing PvE content. Some PvP skills are all but required for PvE. Undaunted sends you to delves. Fighters guild sends you to dolmen. Mages guild sends you all over hell and back. Psijic skill line sent you back all over hell again.
They want players doing a variety of content and base new things in part on that.

VoxAdActa · July 2020

bluebird wrote: »

The 'Don't like it, just don't do it it's not mandatory' posts really need to stop.
What does that even contribute to the discussion? Plus it doesn't even make sense.

If you think for a second, you might realize that Antiquities have several types of exclusive and bound rewards that do require you to grind the Antiquities skill, and then also grind random content for the leads which are often not related to the items at all. And the grind is mandatory for everyone who wants to stay competitive in their MMO, requiring access to the Mythic items.

Maybe they should just put an NPC vendor in Solitude who sells all the leads? Now nobody has to do any content they hate to get one; should be the ultimate solution. Right?

Well, no, we'd still have people complaining about how farming gold is super boring and it's insulting that ZOS locked content behind an activity they hate.

So maybe they should all come from overland quests? No, crap, a bunch of people hate questing too.

I guess the only solution to make everyone happy is for ZOS to just give everyone all the leads as soon as they download Greymoor.

Dojohoda · July 2020

I am reading this while fishing. Hahahaha and just now the bouyant steel appeared. This thread is magical.

Samas_R_Counts · July 2020

And that is how you fish, top notch.

santhoranb16_ESO · July 2020

kargen27 wrote: »

This is by design just like much in the game. Sets that are good for PvP are only available by doing PvE content. Some PvP skills are all but required for PvE. Undaunted sends you to delves. Fighters guild sends you to dolmen. Mages guild sends you all over hell and back. Psijic skill line sent you back all over hell again.
They want players doing a variety of content and base new things in part on that.

See the difference is, i want to game. A game. Simple as that. Fishing is..not.
On PvP you cant do while watching TV, cause you either focus on that game and play...OR watch tv...fishing is...well you're perfectly fine while watching tv cause you...press a button every X seconds. Well some might watch TV while PvP too but, honestly that wont go well and you either get lost watching that movie or you lose in PvP. Same on a dolmen or a delve...you have to press more then just one button while idleing.

Fishing? I dont see that as a gaming activity, cause you do basically nothing. Okay if 20 players chase a fishing spot, that might looks hilarious, but thats for a short amount of time. Very short for me.

bluebird · July 2020

VoxAdActa wrote: »

bluebird wrote: »

The 'Don't like it, just don't do it it's not mandatory' posts really need to stop.
What does that even contribute to the discussion? Plus it doesn't even make sense.

If you think for a second, you might realize that Antiquities have several types of exclusive and bound rewards that do require you to grind the Antiquities skill, and then also grind random content for the leads which are often not related to the items at all. And the grind is mandatory for everyone who wants to stay competitive in their MMO, requiring access to the Mythic items.

I guess the only solution to make everyone happy is for ZOS to just give everyone all the leads as soon as they download Greymoor.

There are several Antiquities Leads you can get from multiple sources, such as Chests AND Thieves Troves AND random Daedric encounters in the zone AND harvesting nodes AND Public Dungeon bosses. I haven't seen a single person complaining about it 'Oh no, if you give players several options to get Leads from, it ruins it for me, because I WANT that lead to ONLY drop from Thieves Troves!'

So clearly, if having various loot sources for those Antiquities didn't cause the end of the world, then there wouldn't be anything wrong with adding various loot sources to other Leads either. It would in fact be a good solution.

That way if people want to farm dungeons for all of their Leads, they can do so, and if they want to harvest crafting nodes they can do so, and if they want to do Cyro they can do so. Instead of forcing every play to harvest for 1 lead, then do Cyro for a 2nd lead, then do dungeons for a 3rd lead.

kargen27 · July 2020

santhoranb16_ESO wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

This is by design just like much in the game. Sets that are good for PvP are only available by doing PvE content. Some PvP skills are all but required for PvE. Undaunted sends you to delves. Fighters guild sends you to dolmen. Mages guild sends you all over hell and back. Psijic skill line sent you back all over hell again.
They want players doing a variety of content and base new things in part on that.

See the difference is, i want to game. A game. Simple as that. Fishing is..not.
On PvP you cant do while watching TV, cause you either focus on that game and play...OR watch tv...fishing is...well you're perfectly fine while watching tv cause you...press a button every X seconds. Well some might watch TV while PvP too but, honestly that wont go well and you either get lost watching that movie or you lose in PvP. Same on a dolmen or a delve...you have to press more then just one button while idleing.

Fishing? I dont see that as a gaming activity, cause you do basically nothing. Okay if 20 players chase a fishing spot, that might looks hilarious, but thats for a short amount of time. Very short for me.

It is a part of the game though. I mostly fish now while waiting on a trial group to form but I do have two characters with master fisherman. First character was with a guild that held fishing events and those were fun. 2nd one I did on my own because he was close to finishing just from fishing here and there from time to time.
I do the new zones on my characters that have the achievement so they continue to have all the trophy fish. When I fish I look around in the game and enjoy what is happening around me. Fishing while watching tv is kind of missing out. I also interrupt my fishing to go help other players if they ask in zone chat. That breaks up any tedium nicely.

Fishing is much like crafting, gathering materials or any of those types of activities.

Nemo78 · August 2020

Why would you spend time doing something you don't enjoy?
Is the reward really worth it?

Viem wrote: »

[quote="Nairinhe;c-6822811"
Hi there!
No, really, it's addictive.

No mate it really is NOT. I have just wasted 1 hour of my precious real life time pressing "E" for what? Fish..? IN a game?

Just give us an alternative and let those who like fishing, choose fishing and those who don't do something else.[/quote]

I think it's funny you complain about wasting time of your real life pressing one button.
Out of curiosity, how many buttons are required to not be a waste of time?

PizzaCat82 · August 2020

Personally I have no problems with fishing but I respect that some people might and would definitely be on board with some improvements to the fishing mechanic to make it more active and fun.

Longbow9 · November 2023

I couldn't agree more.

Sarannah · November 2023

Personally I do not mind fishing.

But I do feel ZOS needs to place every mythic lead in atleast two or three locations around the game, so everyone can get leads in the way that works best for them. All those ways can be just as hard and with the same low droprate as the others, but this way players get to choose what they enjoy doing most.

Edit: Just noticed this thread was a huge necro.

ZOS_Icy · November 2023

Greetings,

We have closed this topic as it was originally created in June 2020. In many cases, it's better to create a new thread on a topic that you want to discuss as opposed to bumping one that is rather old.

Thank you for your understanding.