Yeah, I posted in the PTS that my sustain was arse on my MagDk (Silks of the Sun, BSW, Grothdar), eventhough the damage was still quite high, despite being forced to heavy attack. So I don't know, they seem pretty hard to balance

How about you use a perfected asylum fire staff with force pulse like magdks used to some patches ago?

Every second cast of force pulse procs guaranteed burning and therefore combustion passive.

Just wait for the next broken and/or bugged skill/set to crutch on for sustain because thats what you are supposed to do on magdk.

The whole whips and chains bit holds the damage back at the expense of sustain. Top end DPS still isn’t using going to use this even with BFB nerfed.

I’ve been using it for a while now and everyone has been giving me advice that I should go straight to the whip or use force pulse/elemental weapons as spamable instead. I’m thinking of making the switch because on magplar I hit the same numbers with ele weapons that I do with whips and chains on my MagDK with max seething fury stacks.

Sustain is sacrificed but overall damage is unchanged. I’ve experimented with spell symmetry on magplar as well for sustain and the numbers come in relatively close to sustaining with heavy attacks.

I’ve had to go Breton and run Ghastly on mine and I’m sitting around 84k with Whip. EB/Sir/Ilambris so could be higher if I swapped to Maw.

IrishOphidia wrote: »

ZoS just needs to give DKs an active sustain skill like every other class. NBs have Siphoning, Templars have Channeled, Wardens have Betty, Sorcs even have Dark Deal. DKs? Nada.

You can get spell symmetry from the mages guild if you wanted for sustain on any magicka class. Otherwise with DK you are stuck with the chains. At least the chains give extra damage and proc the seething fury stacks. I never liked spell symmetry on magplar so didn’t even bother on MagDK.

Joxer61 wrote: »

"At least the chains give extra damage and proc the seething fury stacks".....along with the sustain, how can this be a bad thing, really? Its silly that people think its a meme skill when it brings so much to the table. Just use smart and you can even help your tank group stuff up if need be....win/win all around.

You think it's silly that the DK players don't want to use an utility skill as a spammable to proc a extremely badly designed thing as seething fury instead of using a real spammable? I think your silly differs from many other people's.

Vildebill wrote: »

Joxer61 wrote: »

"At least the chains give extra damage and proc the seething fury stacks".....along with the sustain, how can this be a bad thing, really? Its silly that people think its a meme skill when it brings so much to the table. Just use smart and you can even help your tank group stuff up if need be....win/win all around.

You think it's silly that the DK players don't want to use an utility skill as a spammable to proc a extremely badly designed thing as seething fury instead of using a real spammable? I think your silly differs from many other people's.

No, I agree that some of the things mentioned have issues.....the silly part is just thinking its all bad. Is it the best "fix" for sustain, well no, and suggestions have been offered up many times. But in working with what we have atm, its not that bad. I dont see where its a full on utility skill either. It does damage, a decent amount, it keeps mobs close in case your tank cant do it....and in most pug dungeons they cant...and it returns resources. So yea, while not a "spammable" in most folks minds where is it a bad thing?
Now, would i like to see us get some love in the sustain dept...hell yes! But until such a time we work what we are given.

Joxer61 wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Joxer61 wrote: »

"At least the chains give extra damage and proc the seething fury stacks".....along with the sustain, how can this be a bad thing, really? Its silly that people think its a meme skill when it brings so much to the table. Just use smart and you can even help your tank group stuff up if need be....win/win all around.

You think it's silly that the DK players don't want to use an utility skill as a spammable to proc a extremely badly designed thing as seething fury instead of using a real spammable? I think your silly differs from many other people's.

No, I agree that some of the things mentioned have issues.....the silly part is just thinking its all bad. Is it the best "fix" for sustain, well no, and suggestions have been offered up many times. But in working with what we have atm, its not that bad. I dont see where its a full on utility skill either. It does damage, a decent amount, it keeps mobs close in case your tank cant do it....and in most pug dungeons they cant...and it returns resources. So yea, while not a "spammable" in most folks minds where is it a bad thing?
Now, would i like to see us get some love in the sustain dept...hell yes! But until such a time we work what we are given.

That’s where I am too. I would love better sustain built into the class, but for me even leaning on chains to sustain it’s my be dps parsing class but my magplar that comes in ~4K lower has the better utility and survivability for the group. Of course both have completely different setups from parse to trials anyway but that’s the nature of the game. You can’t roll into trials with 10K health using sustain food or run your trap beast from ranged anyway and you best slot a shield of some kind because for vet trials you certainly are going to need it. I’ve learned the hard way that all that parsing means squat when you get to the hard content. Sustain and DPS mean nothing when you are dead.

On thing that would help remove defile from standard since it’s such a easy debuff to apply now and give it major heroism to you and group members standing in it. Would give dks something to bring to group for both PVE and PVP would help
PVE sustain as well.
Seething fury I believe should be a dk passive and not go away with use of whip dks are a brawler class they should get stronger the longer they fight. Molten whip can still have its dmg % Modifier that gets removed when casting whip.
Please ZOS rework inferno I hate having abilities that I have zero control over and it’s just a red mage light. The roar sound effect for it is great make it like pulse a fire in front you and cauterize can give a aoe hot around the healer that pulses.
Make eruption and cinder storm cast on feet increase radius of cinderstorm and give it minor protection or minor evasion.
Make one of the dks group shield morph scale of mag/spell dmg for dk healers and give it effect for the group.
Wings needs reworked 50% projectile reduction is crap now dks uses anymore RAT give way better survival.
Elder dragon should give 3 to 5% cost reduction to everything instead of hp recovery.
Make volatile armor deal flame dmg Harden armor should give a minor armor or some type of dmg reduction not a weak shield or buff the shield to scale of max stat hp stam or mag.
Buff dragon roar.
Sorry for dk rant but it happened didn’t mean to.