The real reason group queuing should be allowed for Battlegrounds.

ForzaRammer · May 2020

Solo que bg is the best thing zos did recently.

Jeremy · May 2020

paul.olesonb14_ESO wrote: »

So yeah, I was upset when they removed the ability for my friends and I to queue up for battlegrounds, since then we've discovered the "real" problem that needs to be addressed ASAP, specifically before the release of Greymoor.

So with Greymoor coming out combined with the covid19 pandemic ESO has seen a massive influx of new and returning players, however us NEW/returning players have run into a problem, which is... the Non-CP PvP content is non-existent. Prior to the change my friends and I just queued up for battlegrounds (which was fun and sufficient), now we have a choice, either go up against people who have 810+ CP or go roam around a completely empty "Non-CP Cyrodiil / Non-CP Imperial City", both of which have very little attendance if at all.

So what do new/returning players do who don't have 810+ CP?? The answer is dueling? nope, can't do that, CP works in duels, battlegrounds?? Nope can't do that, group queuing is not allowed...

So yeah, please consider re-adding some sort of group queue feature to battlegrounds by the launch of your Greymoor expansion otherwise my friends and I are just going to quit, we aren't going to farm 810+ CP to just play PvP together, it's not a realistic expectation of a newer/returning player.

So if you're sitting there with 810+ CP you're probably not worried about any of this, I get it, but do you want new players in your game? Do you want the game to continue to grow and increase? If not then do exactly what you are doing, just continue to ignore these types of changes and posts. However, if you do want these new players to keep playing and you do want the game to grow etc, I highly recommend speaking up and helping change the game in a positive way so newer players have content to do.

tldr; newer players like my friend and I, are not any where near level CP810, the Non-CP Cyrodiil/Imperial City are absolute ghost towns, those are not viable options for us.

I doubt there are many new players clamoring to have their asses beat into the ground by pre-made teams again. If anything, this change makes battlegrounds more hospitable to new players, not less so. So I'm not sure your argument here is a very effective.

That being said, I'm not against having two queue systems, one for pre-made groups and then another for pugs. I believe that would be ideal. But if I have to choose between the two, it's the solo queue-only without question. Pre-made teams were dominating battlegrounds and making it miserable for new and casual players who were just wanting to have a bit of PvP fun.

max_only · May 2020

paul.olesonb14_ESO wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Agreed basic fact of multiplayer games, problem is so many want to turn this into a solo game.

paul.olesonb14_ESO wrote: »

Do people not realize they can go play Skyrim?? I am here to play (WITH) people....

I'm kinda tired of seeing this bogus argument.

Single-player games (such as Skyrim) are PVE. Most PVP players despise playing PVE — they resent even having to do a dungeon for a monster helmet.

PVP means "Player Versus Player" — PVPers primarily play because they want to compete against other people. Certain exceptions notwithstanding, (i.e. the "win at any cost" sub-50 BG players that gold out full sets) many (most?) PVP players would rather play in a balanced PUG match than on or against a premade that just curb-stomps the other two teams. It's fine if you don't feel the same way, but quit misrepresenting their stance on the issue.

TL;DR: No one is trying to turn ESO into a single player game. Find a better straw man.

Here's a better straw for you; it was a feature that was allowed when we bought the game, every other MMORPG has this feature, now it has been removed for "testing" purposes, however it hasn't been re-abled in months and no information has been discussed regarding this change... We had the ability to before and was the reason we bought the game. It's not like we're asking for a feature that didn't exist, we're asking for something that was sold to us be reopened.

Lol that logic doesn’t work on Zos. Bosmer stealth was a feature I bought 5 years ago after playing their franchise for 20 years. Zos doesn’t see that line of thought at all.

zyk · May 2020

I feel like with so many things PVP, ZOS plays to lose with no confidence. This isn't bashing mods. Hear me out.

I feel that ZOS looks at the poor usage numbers for Battlegrounds and presumes their players just don't like it and therefore don't invest more into it. This view isn't consistent with reality though. Other games have shown us PVP can be mainstream. There's no reason Battlegrounds shouldn't have a healthy audience with the number of players purported to play ESO.

ZOS, Battlegrounds is unpopular because of you, not us. I felt when it was released that it was designed in a vacuum because it was missing so many key components of a modern PVP game. Most of all, it has failed at matchmaking.

There are ultra casual ESO players who would love to PVP against other ultra casual players. They want to avoid the minmaxed metagamers at all costs which is reasonable because it's like comparing someone who plays hardball in competitive leagues to someone who plays softball in beer leagues. They're looking for a different kind of competition.

Likewise, (most) competitive players want to be able to play against other competitive players in highly organized matches. Both through matchmaking and through custom matches. ZOS, you have artificially limited the enthusiast audience in ESO simply by not having the option of custom matches with options for head to head play between two teams. They are truly baffling omissions.

Right now Battlegrounds doesn't really give any type of player what they are looking for. ZOS needs to study how other games are getting matchmaking right. They need to look at how PVP has evolved *incredibly* since the launch of ESO and incorporate modern features.

Most of all, they need to play to win with their PVP offerings. Show confidence in your own product by investing in it. I think PVP is the biggest money maker in gaming right now and you guys are missing the boat. There's no reason ESO PVP can't be successful. You need to up your game in a big way, but the fundamentals are there. That's what makes it so frustrating as an ESO PVP enthusiast. You've been *so* close for years.

max_only · May 2020

Agree. If they had proper lobbies, and a team shuffle feature it would be the most ideal situation.

DrCanabis · August 2020

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You should put that same time and effort you do removing posts into fixing the broken PvP

Milaedy · August 2020

Bought 2 friends of mine to the game recently, both were bummed about the group queue. From a fresh perspective it just seems like it's an oversight or a temporary fix at best. Yes, premades are a serious problem for solos but most people play pvp to play with other people - player vs player, group vs group.

I think a compromise could be to allow duos but no more than that. People could still hang out with the people they want, yet the premade 4 man is a thing of the past.

SamanthaCarter · August 2020

I won all of my bgs 30-0 KD before and after Premade patch so i don’t care I think you need to l2p solo

ClawOfTheTwoMoons · August 2020

Is there any proof that BG's are more populated? Has zos come out and said it? Citation please.

Jpk0012 · August 2020

Not sure what is wrong with having a matchmaking rating like the hundreds of MOBAs have. Stick bad players with bad players, and good players with good players, or average out the sides based off mmr.

Not allowing people to group in an MMO is a cheap band-aid, at best. Its obvious ZOS just went with the cheapest solution.

gatekeeper13 · August 2020

Berek_Bloodfang wrote: »

or go roam around a completely empty "Non-CP Cyrodiil / Non-CP Imperial City"

Nope. The No-CP campaign actually has high attendance and in peak hours you may be in a long waiting queue.

BGs are just fine as they are now. Actually 10x better than what they were before. It may have been fun for people with pre-made groups fighting against randoms and winning every match, it wasn't for everyone else.

BRogueNZ · August 2020

I wish they would revert it back
Maybe some of these 'I don't care about the campaign, just here for the fights bro' that litter Cyrodiil can play with their friends

Eliran · August 2020

So I had this crazy idea on how to fix it, super creative and original!

Make a different queues for premades and randoms !!!

Wow I am so smart, no wodner ZoS haven't thought about that.