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Why is ESO pay to win now?
thegreat_one
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So to spend money on crowns and buy costumes and mounts is one thing.
Since Zos has lost my support i have not bought greymoor.
Now I play in a PVP zone where people have superior items I Cannot get due to the pay wall.
What if a trial raid now requires you to spend actual money so you can get items to increase stats in the Vanilla Content or Trials?
Thats a deal breaker and I hope alot of other people feel the same
Edited by thegreat_one on August 24, 2020 4:28AM Since Zos has lost my support i have not bought greymoor.
Now I play in a PVP zone where people have superior items I Cannot get due to the pay wall.
What if a trial raid now requires you to spend actual money so you can get items to increase stats in the Vanilla Content or Trials?
Thats a deal breaker and I hope alot of other people feel the same
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Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PvP werewolf 1 hit kill build was the best $50 I spent in the Crown Store."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."6 -
FriedEggSandwich✭✭✭✭✭
✭I assume Greymoor will be included with sub price once it's not new anymore. And malacath won't get used in trials, nor torc, nor the snowshoes, and zos is trying to see that thrassians won't either. I can't think of anymore mythics.PC | EU7 -
thegreat_one✭✭✭✭Great, I will need to sub!
Another thing I refuse to do unless I fill my inventory with mats and need 2x bank space for a month.
I actually wait until Plus trial for that stuff.0 -
rpa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's buy2play, if you want the new stuff you have to buy the content. Of course it is made as tempting they dare but will not stay like that when new content needs to be sold.7 -
Blackout341Soul ShrivenWell that's quite common in MMOs. If you don't buy the expansion, you won't have acces to the superior loot... and pvp might be affected.
Buy the expansion or deal with it.
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thegreat_one✭✭✭✭I hope the black friday sale has greymoor then. Im not paying full price for a broken game, that i know my money will not go into fixing.0
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redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭By this definition any item in any DLC or chapter is pay to win. Why is it only an issue with Greymoor, but not jewel crafting from Summerset or False God gear from Sunspire or Relequin in Cloudrest. Those are all fine and not pay to win but antiquities are somehow different?5 -
sunshineflame✭✭✭Imagine thinking that one thing can make you lose, and if you just had it then you'd win. That's how they get you, only when you get it and still lose you feel even worse. But don't worry, there's always that "one thing" that will solve everything...it's out there and you know it!6
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Mindcr0w✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ZOS is apparently supposed to release expansions, but not actually put anything new in the expansions.
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rpa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭thegreat_one wrote: »I hope the black friday sale has greymoor then. Im not paying full price for a broken game, that i know my money will not go into fixing.
That's fine. I myself likely wait until next year dump sale to buy Greymoor if at all.2 -
Hämähäkki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Greymoor is an expansion, it has new stuff in it to motivate people to buy it. Totally legit. It has been like this ever since the first expansion came out. And people are complaining about it beeing p2w. If you want the new stuff, buy it. Simple as that.
Morrowind---->Warden---->people said p2w
Summerset---->Jewlery crafting---->people said p2w
Elsweyr---->Necro---->people said p2w
Greymoor---->archeology thingy---->people said p2w
I am also not willing to pay full price for expansions, so I always wait for a sale and get it then.
TherealHämähäkki6 -
Tornaad✭✭✭✭✭
✭thegreat_one wrote: »So to spend money on crowns and buy costumes and mounts is one thing.
Since Zos has lost my support i have not bought greymoor.
Now I play in a PVP zone where people have superior items I Cannot get due to the pay wall.
What if a trial raid now requires you to spend actual money so you can get items to increase stats in the Vanilla Content or Trials?
Thats a deal breaker and I hope alot of other people feel the same
That's about like saying ESO is pay to win because I have to purchase it before I can win the game.
Pay to win is where the person who pays the most money wins.
Following your logic every game that has added new features into the game with new expansions is pay to win.3 -
ruengdet2515✭✭✭What item/weapon/skill that can use pay 2 win, can you tell me and i will buy it.1
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Chelo✭✭✭✭✭sunshineflame wrote: »Imagine thinking that one thing can make you lose, and if you just had it then you'd win. That's how they get you, only when you get it and still lose you feel even worse. But don't worry, there's always that "one thing" that will solve everything...it's out there and you know it!
This type of people, could play using a Dev account with max out characters, gear and gold, and probably will still lose anyway...0 -
MercilessnVexed✭✭✭✭It's a crackup when people have a conniption fit that they have to BUY a game to play it. Part of it is free, yes. Those servers don't pay for themselves, yo. Turning out empty moth-eaten pockets when the electric company comes knocking at your ZoS door doesn't work so well either.
Cough it up, short stuff.
It isn't pay to win. It's pay to play, just like most games are. There is a load of free stuff for the freeloaders. Don't beat up ZoS because you want free stuff. 2 -
Gythral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Why does any business want profit???
and no you cannnot hand over yourt Credit Card and win, but reasonably you should buy the current version if you want to stay competitive!
P2W ESO aint, for so many reasons...“Be as a tower, that, firmly set,
Shakes not its top for any blast that blows!”
Dante Alighieri, The Divine Comedy3 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I really don't get it when people complain so fervently about how a game is so utterly broken that they're not prepared to pay to play it,and yet they continue quite happily to play it while going on to complain some more about how they can't enjoy the best things in it because those things require payment.1 -
Prof_Bawbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I really don't get it when people complain so fervently about how a game is so utterly broken that they're not prepared to pay to play it,and yet they continue quite happily to play it while going on to complain some more about how they can't enjoy the best things in it because those things require payment.
Has game performance improved with each passing premium release? If things improved, your statement would be on point. But from my own personal experience, it gets worse. I've yet to see any of these fixes take hold. Fixes on PS4 are done by making mount pixels and the draw distance look like we're currently gaming on a PS2 and so on.
I barely touch this game nowadays because I think the craft bag is essential. But due to the state of the game I have refused to put a single coin into this game for months and have bought zero dlc and CS items for over a year now. I need the craft bag to enjoy this game to any great extent, but me subbing is telling them they're doing an acceptable job. I'm between a rock and a hard place. I want to play, but not willing to pay any more.
I do agree with your sentiment. If people aren't happy, they shouldn't continue to pay and still play as it kinda negates their argument. Sales tell ZoS I'm happy to keep funding the game, not that I think the game is in a bad way.
Edited by Prof_Bawbag on August 24, 2020 8:01AM5 -
thegreat_one✭✭✭✭Beastygrowls wrote: »It's a crackup when people have a conniption fit that they have to BUY a game to play it. Part of it is free, yes. Those servers don't pay for themselves, yo. Turning out empty moth-eaten pockets when the electric company comes knocking at your ZoS door doesn't work so well either.
Cough it up, short stuff. It isn't pay to win. It's pay to play, just like most games are. There is a load of free stuff for the freeloaders. Don't beat up ZoS because you want free stuff.
I never said I wanted free stuff. And "the severs don't get paid for themselves". That's good....
Are they using our money to break the server?! because it ain't gettin better.
This is my position. Greymoor does not offer me anything as a Pvper that warrants buying it. No new zone, and the dungeon sets I can farm when ESO plus Trial come around. No problem.
Morrowind I bought because I love it.And now u can get the Warden class in crown store. Elswyer I should have just bought the Necromancer in the crown store when it was available. I hate dragons, they are lame. Summerset was.... well I don't remember because i'm in cyro.
So how am I going to get Mythic items if i am unwilling to pay for a chapter that only has one thing I might really care about and as far as I know won't be available in crown store.
Seriously though you think Zos puts our money towards the server?!Edited by thegreat_one on August 24, 2020 8:31AM1 -
JTD✭✭✭How is ESO expansion pay to win but WoW or other expansions based mmo's not?
In ESO if you don't pay you still can play with the big boys while in WoW if you don't pay you can't play the latest content?2 -
He11cat✭✭so... rather than have someone craft you said items in exchange for mats, you come here and *** and groan? there are plenty of nice people in the game more than happy to craft stuff for others. if you're too lazy to ask, then suck it up, princess1 -
Elite✭✭thegreat_one wrote: »So to spend money on crowns and buy costumes and mounts is one thing.
Since Zos has lost my support i have not bought greymoor.
Now I play in a PVP zone where people have superior items I Cannot get due to the pay wall.
What if a trial raid now requires you to spend actual money so you can get items to increase stats in the Vanilla Content or Trials?
Thats a deal breaker and I hope alot of other people feel the same
eso is not p2w
eso is a business
eso has a subscription with way too many benefits not to have.
eso is not p2w
P2W means instant op gratification which eso doesnt have. Does ESO hide some of its hide end gear behind a very small paywall? Maybe, but who cares, its a business at the end of the day.3 -
Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭Two things.
* Locking powerful, potentially game changing/breaking items behind pay walls, is wrong in principle. Stop arguing its ok, it isnt.
* The above does not constitute "pay to win" in my opinion. Stop arguing it does. Im still perfectly capable of killing players left right and center in pvp without mythic items.
The end. You may go about your business.
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relentless_turnip✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If you consider expansions p2w then every mmo is the same...
You can make a PvP build without mythics and be more than competitive in PvP.
Why don't you go and try compete in WOW or FFXIV without buying the latest expansion. Where the best gear now requires you to be 10 levels higher, in content inaccessible to those not paying.1 -
Rowjoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭Charging for a major expansion (major expansions always come with new gear and unique items) is completely normal in gaming.
If some of the new gear turns out to be BIS for a while, then that's life.
By the way there is nothing from Greymoor that is significantly OP. Nice to have maybe but not OP.
And remember that anything that over performs is nerfed to buggery at some point anyway.
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FriedEggSandwich✭✭✭✭✭
✭thegreat_one wrote: »Beastygrowls wrote: »It's a crackup when people have a conniption fit that they have to BUY a game to play it. Part of it is free, yes. Those servers don't pay for themselves, yo. Turning out empty moth-eaten pockets when the electric company comes knocking at your ZoS door doesn't work so well either.
Cough it up, short stuff. It isn't pay to win. It's pay to play, just like most games are. There is a load of free stuff for the freeloaders. Don't beat up ZoS because you want free stuff.
I never said I wanted free stuff. And "the severs don't get paid for themselves". That's good....
Are they using our money to break the server?! because it ain't gettin better.
This is my position. Greymoor does not offer me anything as a Pvper that warrants buying it. No new zone, and the dungeon sets I can farm when ESO plus Trial come around. No problem.
Morrowind I bought because I love it.And now u can get the Warden class in crown store. Elswyer I should have just bought the Necromancer in the crown store when it was available. I hate dragons, they are lame. Summerset was.... well I don't remember because i'm in cyro.
So how am I going to get Mythic items if i am unwilling to pay for a chapter that only has one thing I might really care about and as far as I know won't be available in crown store.
Seriously though you think Zos puts our money towards the server?!
You get crowns with a sub, and you can buy dlc with crowns. You can even buy crowns with gold afaik. As for the mythic items; they're all very situational, you don't just wear them and win. To use them you lose either a 5 piece bonus, or the 2 piece bonus from a monster set. For malacath you have to be prepared to not crit, so builds that use crit for say healing can't use it, and torc does nothing until you're under 50% resources, which is kinda risky in pvp. And who wants to be unable to sprint during combat?PC | EU2 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »I really don't get it when people complain so fervently about how a game is so utterly broken that they're not prepared to pay to play it,and yet they continue quite happily to play it while going on to complain some more about how they can't enjoy the best things in it because those things require payment.
Has game performance improved with each passing premium release? If things improved, your statement would be on point. But from my own personal experience, it gets worse. I've yet to see any of these fixes take hold. Fixes on PS4 are done by making mount pixels and the draw distance look like we're currently gaming on a PS2 and so on.
I barely touch this game nowadays because I think the craft bag is essential. But due to the state of the game I have refused to put a single coin into this game for months and have bought zero dlc and CS items for over a year now. I need the craft bag to enjoy this game to any great extent, but me subbing is telling them they're doing an acceptable job. I'm between a rock and a hard place. I want to play, but not willing to pay any more.
I do agree with your sentiment. If people aren't happy, they shouldn't continue to pay and still play as it kinda negates their argument. Sales tell ZoS I'm happy to keep funding the game, not that I think the game is in a bad way.
The answer to that is very subjective, based on personal playstyles etc. In my case, for example, performance hasn't needed to improve as it's never deteriorated - the game runs for me on both PC EU and NA (playing from the UK) as smoothly as it has done ever since launch. Do I PvP or run trials? No. Other people will play differently, including from elsewhere in the world, and their experience will be different.
Basically, however, if a game is worth playing then it's worth paying for. If it isn't worth paying for, then don't play it. In your case, it sounds like you want to play so presumably what you call "the state of the game" isn't an absolute game-breaker, yet you don't want to pay a subscription for fear of sending the wrong message. Not so much "between a rock and a hard place" as "cutting off your nose to spite your face" in my view ! Your not paying won't make the slightest difference to ZOS, but your not playing does make a difference to you. In your circumstances if I found the game's issues frustrating but I still want to play, then I'd play - and if that meant paying a subscription to optimise my enjoyment then that's what I'd do. 2 -
Aznarb✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ahah people who have no clue about what P2W is are really cute
Paying a chapter have nothing "P2W", you paid for new content, that all, dev don't work for free.
Go play some Asian mmorpg and learn what P2W is.Edited by Aznarb on August 24, 2020 9:33AM[ PC EU ]
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