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Group finder cool down is too long
ForzaRammer
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Just change it to 1 min, find replacement doesn’t work most the time, honestly just let people que next one.
People should not be penalized for unwilling to carry subpar players from finder. At least this way the queue cycle faster.
People should not be penalized for unwilling to carry subpar players from finder. At least this way the queue cycle faster.
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DMuehlhausen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ForzaRammer wrote: »Just change it to 1 min, find replacement doesn’t work most the time, honestly just let people que next one.
People should not be penalized for unwilling to carry subpar players from finder. At least this way the queue cycle faster.
Actually ppl like this are the exact reason the timer was created. Before people would just kick people out of the group or leave if they didn't like the other people or didn't like the dungeon. Forcing people to start all over in the queue.
If you are so almighty and amazing just get through the dungeon with whoever you get.12 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Think of it as an encouragement to spend 10 to 15 minutes at least trying to work with your random group.
If that's not to your fancy, trying grouping up with guildies or people from zone for a better run.Edited by VaranisArano on August 17, 2020 10:59PM3 -
Suna_Ye_Sunnabe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Agreed, it should be five minutes, at most. With the amount of bugs I've encountered in dungeons, fake roles, and players crashing- never to return to the dungeon- I became quickly weary of the long penalty when the groups fell apart. Now I can't be bothered to queue for dungeons at all. If battle grounds had a shorter penalty implicated for many of these same reasons, I don't see why the pve counterpart hasn't been alleviated.Angua Anyammis Ae Sunna2 -
ForzaRammer✭✭✭✭✭
✭DMuehlhausen wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »Just change it to 1 min, find replacement doesn’t work most the time, honestly just let people que next one.
People should not be penalized for unwilling to carry subpar players from finder. At least this way the queue cycle faster.
Actually ppl like this are the exact reason the timer was created. Before people would just kick people out of the group or leave if they didn't like the other people or didn't like the dungeon. Forcing people to start all over in the queue.
If you are so almighty and amazing just get through the dungeon with whoever you get.
Tank can not carry low dps. More importantly, why force tank to waste time with 10k dps while solid dps are waiting in que?3 -
redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ForzaRammer wrote: »DMuehlhausen wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »Just change it to 1 min, find replacement doesn’t work most the time, honestly just let people que next one.
People should not be penalized for unwilling to carry subpar players from finder. At least this way the queue cycle faster.
Actually ppl like this are the exact reason the timer was created. Before people would just kick people out of the group or leave if they didn't like the other people or didn't like the dungeon. Forcing people to start all over in the queue.
If you are so almighty and amazing just get through the dungeon with whoever you get.
Tank can not carry low dps. More importantly, why force tank to waste time with 10k dps while solid dps are waiting in que?
Why are you even in the queue expecting them to be something they aren't, when you can just form the group yourself in zone, guild or friends list and skip the queue process entirely? Choose the path of least resistance even if it requires slightly more effort than pressing one button.Edited by redspecter23 on August 18, 2020 12:39AM0 -
ForzaRammer✭✭✭✭✭
✭redspecter23 wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »DMuehlhausen wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »Just change it to 1 min, find replacement doesn’t work most the time, honestly just let people que next one.
People should not be penalized for unwilling to carry subpar players from finder. At least this way the queue cycle faster.
Actually ppl like this are the exact reason the timer was created. Before people would just kick people out of the group or leave if they didn't like the other people or didn't like the dungeon. Forcing people to start all over in the queue.
If you are so almighty and amazing just get through the dungeon with whoever you get.
Tank can not carry low dps. More importantly, why force tank to waste time with 10k dps while solid dps are waiting in que?
Why are you even in the queue expecting them to be something they aren't, when you can just form the group yourself in zone, guild or friends list and skip the queue process entirely? Choose the path of least resistance even if it requires slightly more effort than pressing one button.
Random dungeon xp for skill morph1 -
Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ForzaRammer wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »DMuehlhausen wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »Just change it to 1 min, find replacement doesn’t work most the time, honestly just let people que next one.
People should not be penalized for unwilling to carry subpar players from finder. At least this way the queue cycle faster.
Actually ppl like this are the exact reason the timer was created. Before people would just kick people out of the group or leave if they didn't like the other people or didn't like the dungeon. Forcing people to start all over in the queue.
If you are so almighty and amazing just get through the dungeon with whoever you get.
Tank can not carry low dps. More importantly, why force tank to waste time with 10k dps while solid dps are waiting in que?
Why are you even in the queue expecting them to be something they aren't, when you can just form the group yourself in zone, guild or friends list and skip the queue process entirely? Choose the path of least resistance even if it requires slightly more effort than pressing one button.
Random dungeon xp for skill morph
Last time I checked there are other (and better) sources of XP gain.1 -
ForzaRammer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »DMuehlhausen wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »Just change it to 1 min, find replacement doesn’t work most the time, honestly just let people que next one.
People should not be penalized for unwilling to carry subpar players from finder. At least this way the queue cycle faster.
Actually ppl like this are the exact reason the timer was created. Before people would just kick people out of the group or leave if they didn't like the other people or didn't like the dungeon. Forcing people to start all over in the queue.
If you are so almighty and amazing just get through the dungeon with whoever you get.
Tank can not carry low dps. More importantly, why force tank to waste time with 10k dps while solid dps are waiting in que?
Why are you even in the queue expecting them to be something they aren't, when you can just form the group yourself in zone, guild or friends list and skip the queue process entirely? Choose the path of least resistance even if it requires slightly more effort than pressing one button.
Random dungeon xp for skill morph
Last time I checked there are other (and better) sources of XP gain.
Tell me what are the better sources for a tank1 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ForzaRammer wrote: »
Tell me what are the better sources for a tank
Master writs
Now on topicredspecter23 wrote: »
Why are you even in the queue expecting them to be something they aren't, when you can just form the group yourself in zone, guild or friends list and skip the queue process entirely? Choose the path of least resistance even if it requires slightly more effort than pressing one button.
I will say the same thing I always say. It is not ok to not expect anything from dungeon finder. Just like you expect tank to hold taunt, and healer to provide baseline heals, in any dungeon, it should be obvious dds should have expectations. But that's not on you. That's on ZoS. The game should introduce role tutorials, replayable, with few different levels, so people could get to the minimum requirements of actually passing the dungeon in a non judgemental environment, while being explained core mechanics of the game through NPC's. And hey, if you aren't willing to learn, why are you in vet dungeons?2 -
x48rph✭✭✭✭✭
✭ForzaRammer wrote: »Just change it to 1 min, find replacement doesn’t work most the time, honestly just let people que next one.
People should not be penalized for unwilling to carry subpar players from finder. At least this way the queue cycle faster.
Maybe the penalty should be lower if you queue for a specific dungeon but definitely not for the random. Too many people already queue for random, end up in one of the longer/harder dlc ones and then drop group immediately, leaving the others to press on with three or wait for a replacement. Making the queue shorter would just increase this. We'd have the same sort of problem we had when people used to just be able to port to FG1 instead of running the one they got. Instead of porting, they'd just keep requeueing till they got an easy one0 -
ForzaRammer✭✭✭✭✭
✭ForzaRammer wrote: »
Tell me what are the better sources for a tank
Master writs
Now on topicredspecter23 wrote: »
Why are you even in the queue expecting them to be something they aren't, when you can just form the group yourself in zone, guild or friends list and skip the queue process entirely? Choose the path of least resistance even if it requires slightly more effort than pressing one button.
I will say the same thing I always say. It is not ok to not expect anything from dungeon finder. Just like you expect tank to hold taunt, and healer to provide baseline heals, in any dungeon, it should be obvious dds should have expectations. But that's not on you. That's on ZoS. The game should introduce role tutorials, replayable, with few different levels, so people could get to the minimum requirements of actually passing the dungeon in a non judgemental environment, while being explained core mechanics of the game through NPC's. And hey, if you aren't willing to learn, why are you in vet dungeons?
You do realize you need a lot motifs to do master writs right? Also i have multiple tank classes. Having more than 1 master crafter is a huge waste3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ForzaRammer wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »
Tell me what are the better sources for a tank
Master writs
Now on topicredspecter23 wrote: »
Why are you even in the queue expecting them to be something they aren't, when you can just form the group yourself in zone, guild or friends list and skip the queue process entirely? Choose the path of least resistance even if it requires slightly more effort than pressing one button.
I will say the same thing I always say. It is not ok to not expect anything from dungeon finder. Just like you expect tank to hold taunt, and healer to provide baseline heals, in any dungeon, it should be obvious dds should have expectations. But that's not on you. That's on ZoS. The game should introduce role tutorials, replayable, with few different levels, so people could get to the minimum requirements of actually passing the dungeon in a non judgemental environment, while being explained core mechanics of the game through NPC's. And hey, if you aren't willing to learn, why are you in vet dungeons?
You do realize you need a lot motifs to do master writs right? Also i have multiple tank classes. Having more than 1 master crafter is a huge waste
I'd be doing alchemy and enchant master writs for leveling if I were going that route. Enchant in particular can be leveled very cheap and quickly once you have your main maxed. Just make a pile of glyphs and put them in your bank to decon on an alt. Alchemy takes a bit more effort to level, but you may be doing it anyway for the potion duration passive. Spider Egg + Blue Entoloma over and over is relatively cheap to level up with.
If I'm leveling skills on a tank, I'll make a couple sets of light armor with training (or use some false god if I have it), slot pulsar and go kill some stuff. Better xp/minute than randoms if you are pugging.
If I am doing random normal for xp, I'll be doing it with friends/guildmates for speed. You can still queue for a random for the xp with a premade group.
Don't work harder for your xp. Work smarter for it. Find the thing you like to do and maximize the potential from it. If you honestly enjoy random normal with pugs, then you have to accept that sometimes, it will be a slow painful run where the xp/minute is near zero compared to other activities.0 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ForzaRammer wrote: »
You do realize you need a lot motifs to do master writs right? Also i have multiple tank classes. Having more than 1 master crafter is a huge waste
Buy them. You need to max out alchemy anyway on any character for passives, so buy alchemy writs. It will be faster to farm gold & buy writs than to do random normals.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ForzaRammer wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »DMuehlhausen wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »Just change it to 1 min, find replacement doesn’t work most the time, honestly just let people que next one.
People should not be penalized for unwilling to carry subpar players from finder. At least this way the queue cycle faster.
Actually ppl like this are the exact reason the timer was created. Before people would just kick people out of the group or leave if they didn't like the other people or didn't like the dungeon. Forcing people to start all over in the queue.
If you are so almighty and amazing just get through the dungeon with whoever you get.
Tank can not carry low dps. More importantly, why force tank to waste time with 10k dps while solid dps are waiting in que?
Why are you even in the queue expecting them to be something they aren't, when you can just form the group yourself in zone, guild or friends list and skip the queue process entirely? Choose the path of least resistance even if it requires slightly more effort than pressing one button.
Random dungeon xp for skill morph
You get the same XP on normal random.The Moot Councillor0 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ForzaRammer wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »DMuehlhausen wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »Just change it to 1 min, find replacement doesn’t work most the time, honestly just let people que next one.
People should not be penalized for unwilling to carry subpar players from finder. At least this way the queue cycle faster.
Actually ppl like this are the exact reason the timer was created. Before people would just kick people out of the group or leave if they didn't like the other people or didn't like the dungeon. Forcing people to start all over in the queue.
If you are so almighty and amazing just get through the dungeon with whoever you get.
Tank can not carry low dps. More importantly, why force tank to waste time with 10k dps while solid dps are waiting in que?
Why are you even in the queue expecting them to be something they aren't, when you can just form the group yourself in zone, guild or friends list and skip the queue process entirely? Choose the path of least resistance even if it requires slightly more effort than pressing one button.
Random dungeon xp for skill morph
You get the same XP on normal random.
Normals are boring af though.0 -
bmnoble✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If they reduce the cooldown they need to make sure you don't end up right back with the group you just chose to leave or were kicked from otherwise its a waste of time to do it and would end up driving away the remaining people who choose to be a healer or tank from the random queue.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ForzaRammer wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »DMuehlhausen wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »Just change it to 1 min, find replacement doesn’t work most the time, honestly just let people que next one.
People should not be penalized for unwilling to carry subpar players from finder. At least this way the queue cycle faster.
Actually ppl like this are the exact reason the timer was created. Before people would just kick people out of the group or leave if they didn't like the other people or didn't like the dungeon. Forcing people to start all over in the queue.
If you are so almighty and amazing just get through the dungeon with whoever you get.
Tank can not carry low dps. More importantly, why force tank to waste time with 10k dps while solid dps are waiting in que?
Why are you even in the queue expecting them to be something they aren't, when you can just form the group yourself in zone, guild or friends list and skip the queue process entirely? Choose the path of least resistance even if it requires slightly more effort than pressing one button.
Random dungeon xp for skill morph
You can form a group and still do a random dungeon for the XP. Our guild does it often. As a tank you can get a group in no time in zone chat by simply saying you are a tank and want to get a group for a random dungeon.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0 -
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✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Think of it as an encouragement to spend 10 to 15 minutes at least trying to work with your random group.
I like this attitude... very coolTenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
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Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0 -
Eifleber✭✭✭✭✭I dont mind the timer.
But then again you can simply switch characters and queue again as the timer isn't account wide.❆
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✭yeah, just search with another character. Without this 15 cooldown timer, once you start searching, you will be backfilled to that group you left ) Probability isn't 100% but very high.0 -
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✭The only time I would agree with this is because sometimes it bugs out and the time penalty is applied without leaving a group. Otherwise. No. The penalty is fair and as others have said here it encourages you to actually work with the group instead of just abandoning them usually because that person doesn't like something about the group (low cp, not moving fast enough, etc). It's a group function for a reason, and it's random people. If that's not good enough it's really not hard to try to run it solo, form a group of like minded players, or join a guild that will run it their way.
What I would like to see aside from this is something done about choosing a fake role just to beat the que already already being discussed in another topic
.Edited by scorpius2k1 on August 18, 2020 4:03PM🌎 PC/NA
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✭✭✭✭✭ForzaRammer wrote: »
Depends on what you're looking for. You can always get a new DPS. A new healer or tank can take a bit.The Moot Councillor0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭the1andonlyskwex wrote: »
I mean, by the time I've determined the group can't handle the dungeon, logged out, logged in on a new character and successfully gotten a new group in the queue, I'm not saving that much time.
Maybe I just have long loading screens?0 -
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✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »the1andonlyskwex wrote: »
I mean, by the time I've determined the group can't handle the dungeon, logged out, logged in on a new character and successfully gotten a new group in the queue, I'm not saving that much time.
Maybe I just have long loading screens?
It depends how early you quit. If you actually give the group a chance, I agree that the timer only applying to a single character doesn't really matter. Where it does matter is if you're giving up at the very beginning of a dungeon based on something like CP or class composition, which is what the leaver penalty is most intended to prevent.0 -
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✭This is why you ask the group to kick you so you don't get the penalty timer. Sometimes it works, but i'll always vote no if the person asking is a 3K dps snipe spammer who wanted a quick carry instead of pulling their weight.Xbox NA healer main
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PrimusNephilim✭✭✭✭✭ForzaRammer wrote: »DMuehlhausen wrote: »ForzaRammer wrote: »Just change it to 1 min, find replacement doesn’t work most the time, honestly just let people que next one.
People should not be penalized for unwilling to carry subpar players from finder. At least this way the queue cycle faster.
Actually ppl like this are the exact reason the timer was created. Before people would just kick people out of the group or leave if they didn't like the other people or didn't like the dungeon. Forcing people to start all over in the queue.
If you are so almighty and amazing just get through the dungeon with whoever you get.
Tank can not carry low dps. More importantly, why force tank to waste time with 10k dps while solid dps are waiting in que?
It's a PUG man.....get with a guild to run dungeons if this is such a hassle.2 -
ForzaRammer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Tsar_Gekkou wrote: »This is why you ask the group to kick you so you don't get the penalty timer. Sometimes it works, but i'll always vote no if the person asking is a 3K dps snipe spammer who wanted a quick carry instead of pulling their weight.
that been changed, still penalty after kicked0
